Dear all The http://lab.mediafi.org is still fully functional and is a good example Best Carmen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Grassroots Arts and Research Carmen Mac Williams Director Brüsselerstr.98 D-50674 Köln Germany Mobile: +49 (0) 173 97 75 472 Email: carmen at grassroots-arts.eu www.grassroots-arts.eu -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: fi-next-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fi-next-bounces at lists.fiware.org] Im Auftrag von Philipp Slusallek Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2016 14:30 An: Federico Michele Facca <federico.facca at martel-innovate.com>; fi-next at lists.fiware.org Cc: Ahle, Ulrich <ulrich.ahle at fiware.org> Betreff: Re: [FI-NEXT] Future of the Labe Hi Federico, all I fully support this option. By coincidence, this is almost exactly what I discussed with Ulrich as an interesting option at breakfast this morning. In fact, such a system has already been developed in FIcontent (one of the FI-PPP UseCase projects) a while ago. At the time we offered FWARE to use this development as we thought that it would make FIWARE much more attractive and solve a number of problems. At the end FIWARE decided to develop something of their own -- but I am not sure this ever happened (except for the ability to use Docker directly, which was not available and which we had to implemnet on top of the then existing infrastructure). The system was based on Docker and allowed to deploy (a connected set of) GEs and SEs together with a single click in a Web portal. The portal is still here: http://lab.mediafi.org/, but I am not sure its still fully functional. It allows to -- DISCOVER enablers (like our catalog), -- TRY it using a web-based UI to experience a service example, -- TWEAK for modifying the code directly in the web browser, with immediate effect on the example and storing/shring the resulting code, -- RUN a GE or sets thereof by deploying them in either the FIWARE cloud (required a lot of tweaks to get it working, you might remember the discussion) or locally. We even had the option to directly deploy to AWS and such but never published this (for political reasons :-). We had some central nodes that ran the infrastructure as well as some temporarily allocated instances from a FIWARE Lab pool for TRY and TWEAK. Run required to have your own instance to deploy to. That code should still be available if someone wants to look at it. Best, Philipp Am 15.12.2016 um 11:01 schrieb Federico Michele Facca: > Dear All, > In the past days we discussed about the sustainability of the nodes. > it is clear that the federation, with centralised management of users > and so on, it’s not sustainable if not by covering through the public > funding or the foundation when the fi-next project is over. but this > of course, it’s not going to be sustainable for the foundation. > more the “cost” of managing the federation, it is quite relevant itself. > we also know that users would prefer solutions with better slas (and > potentially additional services). > > Thus, after discussing with different people here at the summit > (mainly Fernando and Alex), I think we should go for a much simpler > set-up. I am trying to summarise my proposal below: > > 1 - having one only real “fiware node” that is hosting the global > instances, and providing some hosting capacity using containers / > container clusters. access to vm > should be only granted in this reduced “lab” to fiware global > service developer / operators. > 2 - providing a front-end that allows the community users to deploy > (and > monitor) in a simple way containerised generic enablers and apps on > the lab node and on the standalone nodes > provided by other providers (ideally the fiware commercial providers). > 3 - having a mechanism that allow users to insert their credentials > from the commercial providers in the tool of bullet 2 so that the > deployment after this step is very simple. > 4 - (eventually) transforming fiware lab in an identity provider that > can be leveraged by users to subscribe and access commercial providers > services with a single account. > > Different Open Source options are available to build 2 rapidly The > included providers may ask for money, or provide a free tier, anyhow > this is a different matter. For sure for the time their operation will > be covered by FI-NEXT, there should be a free tier. > This will avoid the need for duplicating nodes in part of FIWARE Lab > and commercial ones. It will also mostly avoid any problem in relation > to NREN policies (assuming the central node will be hosted in RED.ES > like today), because the NREN services will not be used for hosting > commercial applications. > > We should also probably the discuss about revising the policy for > community accounts if want to make them more inclusive and simple for > users. On one side, we could give up restrictions on getting details > on what people want to do with FIWARE to attract more people to the > Lab, on the other we can introduce automatic identity verification > mechanisms (e.g. based on credit card validation transactions) to make > community account available instantly. > > Said so, as said already in the nodes mailinglist, the point that it > is crucial to understand is also the vision of the foundation in this > respect. We need to take decisions asap, because then accordingly we > can discuss how to re-focus efforts on the operational tools part to > support the vision realisation quickly. > > My 2 cents, > Federico > > *Dr. Federico Michele Facca* > /Head of Martel Lab/ > > *Martel Innovate* > Dorfstrasse 73 - 3073 Gümligen (Switzerland) > 0041 78 807 58 38 > 0041 31 994 25 25 > martel-innovate.com <http://martel-innovate.com> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____________________ > > You can get more information about our cookies and privacy policies on the following links: > - > http://forge.fiware.org/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/FIWARE > _Privacy_Policy > - > http://forge.fiware.org/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/Cookie > s_Policy_FIWARE > > FI-NEXT mailing list > FI-NEXT at lists.fiware.org > https://lists.fiware.org/listinfo/fi-next > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deutsches Forschungszentrum für Künstliche Intelligenz (DFKI) GmbH Trippstadter Strasse 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. 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