Hi Juanjo, apologises, in dead we were not meant to have a technical discussion in here, but unfortunately we slipped. The technical discussion, as discussed in the call, has to be organised in the TSC. The point was to provide inputs regarding the experience over the lab in relation to sustainability and discuss what type of “federation” will make that easier. The meeting had some conclusions in these respect that will be presented and discussed in the TSC (not sure when we could have a slot). Best, Federico Dr. Federico Michele Facca Head of Martel Lab Martel Innovate Dorfstrasse 73 - 3073 Gümligen (Switzerland) 0041 78 807 58 38 0041 31 994 25 25 martel-innovate.com <http://martel-innovate.com/> > On 10 Feb 2017, at 09:39, Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at fiware.org> wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > I believe we make it clear that FI-NEXT mailing lists should be used ONLY for project-specific discussions and I don's see this one is project-specific. This one should go into the FIWARE TSC most probably, since it is a) generic and b) is very much related to the topics of discussion held in recent FIWARE TSC meetings. > > Can you pleas forward the necessary messages to the FIWARE TSC mailing list and continue the discussion over there? > > Thanks in advance, > > Juanjo > > On 09/02/2017 15:16, Álvaro Alonso wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> here is the document Federico has just mentioned in the call >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B30UK8zl3zIRT0xsRXlEempEVms/view?usp=sharing <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B30UK8zl3zIRT0xsRXlEempEVms/view?usp=sharing> >> >> BR >> -- >> Álvaro >> >>> El 9 feb 2017, a las 14:49, Federico Michele Facca <federico.facca at martel-innovate.com <mailto:federico.facca at martel-innovate.com>> escribió: >>> >>> Hi Silvio, >>> answers in line, >>> Dr. Federico Michele Facca >>> Head of Martel Lab >>> >>> Martel Innovate >>> Dorfstrasse 73 - 3073 Gümligen (Switzerland) >>> 0041 78 807 58 38 >>> 0041 31 994 25 25 >>> martel-innovate.com <http://martel-innovate.com/> >>> >>>> On 09 Feb 2017, at 14:30, Silvio Cretti <scretti at fbk.eu <mailto:scretti at fbk.eu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Fede, Fernando >>>> thanks for this. >>>> I fully support simplification but let me ask a couple of things and act as a sort of "devil advocate": >>>> 1. did you check out this: http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/identity/federated-keystone.html <http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/identity/federated-keystone.html> ? >>> >>> That’s a potential solution to allow users to access the Cloud resources with different IDPs (a topic somehow discussed in the TSC). >>> But I think that before looking into this or into any other improvements to whatever will be the “solution", we have define a pragmatic path to follow >>> to solve the operational and business problems we had in the management of the current federation from the “federator” perspective >>> and the “infastructure owner” perspective. >>> >>>> 2. One keystone per region and also one horizon per region, I guess. Right? >>> >>> Correct. >>> >>>> 3. it is true that very few users can access different Lab nodes, but this is (at least partially) due to the fact that we decided to put all the trial users in Spain and asked the Community ones to select one region. Am I wrong? >>> >>> I think because that’s what the community policy foresee as default policy. 1 user = 1 node unless he documents why he needs to have access to more than one. >>> >>>> 4. if we do not have SSO anymore, what does it mean exactly "joining the FIWARE Lab" for a node? My understanding is that it is just a matter to "federate" the monitoring but all the rest is completely independent. Am I wrong? It probably also means that common policies, practices and tools are shared, but is there something more? >>> >>> Well, we won’t have anyhow SSO anymore given that Cloud and Lab IDP will become to completely separated domain as decided in the TSC. >>> >>> Basically the federation will be “visible” in term of policies, monitoring, and few additional tools. What else is to be discussed, but this slide set didn’t want to be too technical :) >>> The idea was to report the vision and experience from running the Lab in the past years. >>> >>>> 5. does rancher work on a multi-region basis: ie with the possibility to deploy automatically and in a transparent way wrt the user the docker environment on any node/region of the federation (this of course if the user didn't specify a given region in advance)? >>> >>> Assuming that Rancher will be come part of FIWARE (and this I suppose it is subject to TSC discussion), you can register nodes from different providers (i.e. FIWARE Lab nodes) and then deploy the cluster on top. So in principle, it will be possible having rancher to manage a cluster across multiple FIWARE lab nodes. Said so, I am not sure it is technically a good idea due to the latency you may have between the cluster hosts. I doubt it’s the recommended solution for a multisite docker cluster. I tend to think that it’s better to have an independent cluster on each node and use “external links” to connect services across the two clusters. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Fede >>> >>>> >>>> Let's talk soon. >>>> silvio >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Federico Michele Facca <federico.facca at martel-innovate.com <mailto:federico.facca at martel-innovate.com>> wrote: >>>> Dear All, >>>> some “technical” inputs for the discussion from Fernando and me. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Federico >>>> Dr. Federico Michele Facca >>>> Head of Martel Lab >>>> >>>> Martel Innovate >>>> Dorfstrasse 73 - 3073 Gümligen (Switzerland) >>>> 0041 78 807 58 38 >>>> 0041 31 994 25 25 >>>> martel-innovate.com <http://martel-innovate.com/> >>>> >>>>> On 07 Feb 2017, at 17:56, Pietropaolo Alfonso <Alfonso.Pietropaolo at eng.it <mailto:Alfonso.Pietropaolo at eng.it>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> the poll has been closed and the official selected date is: Thursday, February 9 from 15:00 to 17:00 CET. >>>>> >>>>> Will follow connection details. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> Alfonso >>>>> >>>>>> Il giorno 06 feb 2017, alle ore 12:09, Pietropaolo Alfonso <Alfonso.Pietropaolo at eng.it <mailto:Alfonso.Pietropaolo at eng.it>> ha scritto: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> this is a kindly reminder for those of you who didn’t participated at the Doodle yet: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://doodle.com/poll/kbsfe89c9x38vzcw <http://doodle.com/poll/kbsfe89c9x38vzcw> >>>>>> >>>>>> At the moment the winning time slot is Thursday, February 9 from 15:00 to 17:00 CET. >>>>>> >>>>>> The deadline to set your preference is tomorrow February 7 EOB >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> Alfonso >>>>>> >>>>>>> Il giorno 01 feb 2017, alle ore 17:43, Pietropaolo Alfonso <Alfonso.Pietropaolo at eng.it <mailto:Alfonso.Pietropaolo at eng.it>> ha scritto: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> following the decisions agreed today during the FI-NEXT Management Committee Meeting, a new doodle poll has been created to discuss about issues and solutions on the sustainability of the FIWARE nodes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please, set your availability at the following link within Tuesday, February 7 EOB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://doodle.com/poll/kbsfe89c9x38vzcw <http://doodle.com/poll/kbsfe89c9x38vzcw> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Targeted persons are at least all representatives involved in WP4, Nodes Owners/representatives but also any other partners in FI-NEXT consortium, since this issue is of utmost importance for everyone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Connection details to join the phone call will follow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> Alfonso >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Il giorno 20 dic 2016, alle ore 14:17, Pietropaolo Alfonso <Alfonso.Pietropaolo at eng.it <mailto:Alfonso.Pietropaolo at eng.it>> ha scritto: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> following the decision agreed during the kick-off in Malaga, dedicated phone-calls will be held to discuss issues and solutions on the sustainability of the FIWARE nodes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The first call should be in mid January, and here follows a doodle poll link to kindly check your availability: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://doodle.com/poll/54pyh7vg528749k7 <http://doodle.com/poll/54pyh7vg528749k7> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Targeted persons are at least all representatives involved in WP4, Nodes Owners/representatives but also any other partners in FI-NEXT consortium, since this issue is of utmost importance for everyone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Connection details to join the phone call will follow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> Alfonso >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alfonso Pietropaolo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Research and Development Laboratory >>>>>>>> Engineering Ingegneria Informatica S.p.A. <https://imail.eng.it/ecp/Customize/www.eng.it> >>>>>>>> Via Riccardo Morandi, 32 00148 Roma - 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