Dear Philipp,
What you say maybe true for the kind of hackathons you run at a Campus Party event, i.e., hackathons that start and end at the event. We all agree that we shouldn't go for too high prizes at those hackathons and we won't.
However, what it will be launched this time is different. It pretends to be something that implies funding a more complete development, that's why it lasts several months. A different matter is that we define an intermediate milestone that will help to perform a first selection of contestants who will be paid to travel to Campus Party Brasil to run the final (they are expected to evolve whatever proof of concept they have developed at that time but this will give them a signal that it's worth investing and continue the development because at least they will be able to showcase their application in the Campus Party Brasil event which may help them to gain some visibility for their application).
Startups or SMEs who have an application already in mind (or have developed some early versions of it) and believe incorporation of FI-WARE technologies could fit in their architecture evolution plan are welcome to participate in these challenges and they are indeed our target audience.
To some extend, these challenges will follow a formula very similar to what are going to be the Open Calls targeted to SMEs in Call 3 (Use Case Expansion projects) and indeed I believe we will extract very interesting lessons during the process.
Last but not least, despite you may have the impression that the contestants to the FI-WARE prizes in Campus Party Europe in London where simply students or people who just wanted to play and see whether they could win some prize at the event, it was interesting to learn that some of them are already planning (or in the process) of running a startup ... and they expressed their interest to learn whether usage of FI-WARE technologies could help them to catch some funding.
Best regards,
-- Juanjo
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On 06/10/13 11:14, Philipp Slusallek wrote:
Hi,
Sorry for being (too?) late with my response but we had a big review
last week as well as a long weekend due to a national holiday.
This is the first time I hear about these plans of attracting developers
and I am not too convinced about this concept at all. So here are my 2
cents worth.
Competitions are only attractive to really small groups developers who
can work on this in their spare time, such as students or hobbyists. Its
not too interesting for serious SMEs or Web entrepreneurs that struggle
to keep their income and cannot spend weeks of time building a prototype
for a competition where its is a big gamble whether to get any return on
the investment. Anyone with a serious business plan and idea, better
stays focused on getting this to work. Google, facebook, etc. were not
founded through a competition. The goal for FI-WARE should therefore not
be to target people that "gamble" but helping people with a solid
business idea to more successfully execute it in the context and with
the support of the FI-PPP.
A special exception may be open source developers that work for the
"greater good". But if this is the target (which might actually be a
good idea, similar to the Google Summer of Code) than the whole thing
should be structured differently. Google, for example, does not hand out
price money but funds the execution of the best and brightest ideas.
This actually helps getting the good ideas implemented and does not just
hand over big sums of money.
When we are targeting small developers through the competitions then a
price money of several tens of k€ seems way too high. This are likely
not the people that necessarily will create a start-up or other business
idea around their project with this money. It takes way more than a
quick good idea to be economically successful and I would even say that
we should not even encourage such a development.
Maybe I am too harsh about the campuseros and missing the point here (I
was not at the event). But it is consistent with what I have heard and
is also the clear opinion in FI-Content after quite long discussions
about exactly this topic. There we also have competitions but the price
money is way smaller. Also our competitions are only a small addition to
our other activities targeting a very different audience (students etc.,
see above) than we do with the OpenCall or Phase-III, where we
specifically target different groups of serious developers with very
different means and therefore necessarily more money per proposal.
I realize it is late and there is not a lot of time to still change
anything. Anyway, I believe its worth considering and maybe taking into
account to the degree still possible.
Best,
Philipp
Am 02.10.2013 00:06, schrieb Esther Paniagua:
Hi all,
I'm Esther Paniagua, coordinator of Campus Labs at Futura Networks.
I'm attaching a post that we've prepared for the launching of the two
first challenges, that may be of help to understand the process.
Thanks!
2013/10/1 Davide Dalle Carbonare <davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it<mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it>
<mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it><mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it>>
Dear Juanjo,
the format sounds good to me, I think the first two challenges,
for the first round are fine.
I wait for additional details especially regarding the final phase
at Campus Party.
kind regards,
Davide
On 01/10/2013 17:53, Juanjo Hierro wrote:
Hi all,
Futura Networks will send an email with further details, but let
me briefly describe what they have proposed and we need to approve
this week.
As you know, there were aprox. 870 K€ in prizes to be consumed
until end of the proyect. Of these 870 K€, 17.500€ were consumed
in Campus Party Europe in London (2.500 € of one of the special
awards were not given away).
The idea is now to launch a number of challenges which will be
run along a number of months. We would start launching two
thematic challenges, one focused on Smart Cities and another one
focused on Smart Businesses.
The two challenges would be launched this week and we would
define a deadline (mid November) to collect proposals. Proposers
who accompany their ideas with proof of concepts developed on
FI-LAB, etc will be given preference. In December we would
select 20 proposals for each of the challenges and we will invite
two people of each of the selected teams to travel to the Campus
Party Brasil, early February 2014.
The selected teams attending the Campus Party Brasil event will
run a final there so that the final prizes are given away:
* 1st prize: 75 K€
* 2nd prize: 40 K€
* third prize: 20 K€
* two additional special awards (e.g., "Young developer"): 5.000
€ each
During the Campus Party Brasil event we would launch the second
round of challenges, targeted to be given away at the Campus Party
Europe (most likely to take place in Spain during July 2014). A
similar schema would be followed. We would define an interim
milestone to select the 40 best proposals and pay them the travel
expenses to Campus Party Europe where a final would take place.
There are several options for this second round of challenges,
we may go for thematic challenges (we didn't have too appealing
themes) or we may go for a big contest to be referred as "FI-WARE
Excellence Awards" (with total 290K€ in prizes) where there would
not be restriction about the theme to be addressed and focus would
be given on finding the applications that make best usage of
FI-WARE technologies. Another possibility is to find another two
thematic challenges, or do a mix: run one thematic challenge and
one "FI-WARE Excellenge Awards" (in this case, each with 145 K€ in
prizes).
Personally, I would go fo a single challenge on "FI-WARE
Excellence Awards" with total 290 K€ in prizes, but your feedback
is welcome.
The launch of the first two challenges on Smart Cities and Smart
Businesses (with 145 K€ in prizes each) look more clear to me and,
since we are running a bit out of time, I would go for advertising
them at the Campusero Community this Thursday 17:00 unless anyone
has an objection.
Cheers,
-- Juanjo
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