[Fiware-cloud-containers] task-force kickoff

Philipp Slusallek philipp.slusallek at dfki.de
Mon Jun 1 17:13:48 CEST 2015


Hi,

Yes, I can move another meeting.

Best,

	Philipp

Am 01.06.2015 um 17:08 schrieb Alex Glikson:
> Regarding the phone call I mentioned below -- we already have the weekly
> call of the Cloud chapter on Wed 15:00-16:00 CET (with many overlapping
> participants), so I suggest that we shorten the regular call to
> 15:30-16:00, and dedicate 14:00-15:30 CET to this topic.
> Please, let me know if you can make it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> 
> ====================================================================================
> Alex Glikson
> Manager, Cloud Infrastructure Solutions, IBM Haifa Research Lab
> Email: glikson at il.ibm.com | Phone: +972-4-8281085 | Mobile:
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:        Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
> To:        "fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org"
> <fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org>
> Date:        01/06/2015 09:31 AM
> Subject:        Re: [Fiware-cloud-containers] task-force kickoff
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> 
> 
> We will hold the taskforce kickoff at a different time slot, to
> accommodate availability of key people. I will send a doodle later
> today. Meanwhile, we can try making a bit progress by email, following
> the summary I sent in a separate email.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> 
> ====================================================================================
> Alex Glikson
> Manager, Cloud Infrastructure Solutions, IBM Haifa Research Lab
> Email: glikson at il.ibm.com | Phone: +972-4-8281085 | Mobile:
> +972-54-6466667 | Fax: +972-4-8296112
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:        Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
> To:        "fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org"
> <fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org>
> Date:        31/05/2015 10:59 PM
> Subject:        Re: [Fiware-cloud-containers] task-force kickoff
> Sent by:        fiware-cloud-containers-bounces at lists.fiware.org
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> 
> Before this task force has launched, discussion on containers has been
> scheduled for tomorrow, 10:30.
> Now, maybe it would make sense to make some progress within the task
> force before raising this with the (rest of the) architects - especially
> if some of the participants can't join tomorrow.
> 
> Regards,
> Alex
> 
> ====================================================================================
> Alex Glikson
> Manager, Cloud Infrastructure Solutions, IBM Haifa Research Lab
> Email: glikson at il.ibm.com | Phone: +972-4-8281085 | Mobile:
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> 
> 
> From:        FERNANDO LOPEZ AGUILAR <fernando.lopezaguilar at telefonica.com>
> To:        JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA <juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com>,
> Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
> Cc:        "fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org"
> <fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org>
> Date:        31/05/2015 10:03 PM
> Subject:        Re: [Fiware-cloud-containers] task-force kickoff
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> 
> 
> 
> Ok, then the question is we will have the kickoff of this task force
> tomorrow? And if it is true between which hours?
> 
> We have tomorrow our internal sprint planning for the next sprint from
> 9:00 to 13:00.
> 
> Fernando.-*
> 
> De: *JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA <_juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com_
> <mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com>>*
> Fecha: *Saturday 30 May 2015 20:31*
> Para: *Alex Glikson <_GLIKSON at il.ibm.com_ <mailto:GLIKSON at il.ibm.com>>*
> CC: *"_fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org_
> <mailto:fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org>"
> <_fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org_
> <mailto:fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org>>*
> Asunto: *Re: [Fiware-cloud-containers] task-force kickoff
> 
> That's what I understood too
> 
> Juanjo from iPhone
> 
> El 30/5/2015, a las 19:52, Alex Glikson <_GLIKSON at il.ibm.com_
> <mailto:GLIKSON at il.ibm.com>> escribió:
> 
> 
> I am pretty sure that the monthly review/demo meeting has been
> rescheduled, so it seems that the morning slot on the 1st is free..
> 
> ====================================================================================
> Alex Glikson
> Manager, Cloud Infrastructure Solutions, IBM Haifa Research Lab
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:        Philipp Slusallek <_philipp.slusallek at dfki.de_
> <mailto:philipp.slusallek at dfki.de>>
> To:        Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL,
> _fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org_
> <mailto:fiware-cloud-containers at lists.fiware.org>
> Date:        30/05/2015 07:49 PM
> Subject:        Re: [Fiware-cloud-containers] task-force kickoff
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I thought the June 1 meetings will be moved. But I would join anyway.
> 
> Best,
> 
>              Philipp
> 
> Am 30.05.2015 um 18:06 schrieb Alex Glikson:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Welcome to 'fiware-cloud-containers' mailing list! We will use this
>> mailing list to discuss the details of FIWARE Cloud roadmap w.r.t.
>> support for Linux containers (such as Docker), including use-cases &
>> requirements, associated IaaS and PaaS-style capabilities, concrete
>> plans going forwards, potential collaboration with teams working on
>> similar/related technologies, etc.
>>
>> Currently we have the following people subscribed to this mailing list:
>> IBM: Alex (FIWARE Cloud architect), Ezra (technical lead for
>> IaaS/compute-related work in FIWARE Cloud), Kenneth (FIWARE Cloud
>> leader), Doron (working with Ezra on containers)
>> TID: Juanjo (FIWARE chief architect), Fernando & Henar (technical leads
>> for the PaaS-related work in FIWARE Cloud)
>> DFKI: Philipp (FI-Content2 architect, FIWARE Advanced WebUI chapter
>> leader/architect)
>> Thales: Mario (FI-Content2, also used to be in the Cloud WP in the old
>> FI-WARE project)
>>
>> Let me know if anyone is missing.
>>
>> As a background, please, read the thread below, including the very nice
>> summary by Mario on the related investigation and implementation in
>> FI-Content2 project. I will send a separate email briefly summarizing
>> the situation in FIWARE.
>>
>> *All *-- notice that we are going to have a phone call to discuss this
>> topic during the upcoming FIWARE architects interlock on Monday, June
>> 1at, 10:30-12:30 CET. Let me know if you can't join.
>> *Mario *-- would you be able to join & explain/demonstrate the FIC2Lab
>> solution?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ====================================================================================
>> Alex Glikson
>> Manager, Cloud Infrastructure Solutions, IBM Haifa Research Lab
>> Email: _glikson at il.ibm.com_ <mailto:glikson at il.ibm.com>| Phone:
> +972-4-8281085 | Mobile:
>> +972-54-6466667 | Fax: +972-4-8296112
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>>
>> ----- Forwarded by Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM on 30/05/2015 06:36 PM -----
>>
>> _fiware-chapter-architects-bounces at lists.fi-ware.org_
> <mailto:fiware-chapter-architects-bounces at lists.fi-ware.org>wrote on
> 26/05/2015
>> 08:37:16 AM:
>>
>>> From: Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
>>> To: Philipp Slusallek <_philipp.slusallek at dfki.de_
> <mailto:philipp.slusallek at dfki.de>>
>>> Cc: _fiware-chapter-architects at lists.fi-ware.org_
> <mailto:fiware-chapter-architects at lists.fi-ware.org>, Kenneth Nagin/
>>> Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, Ezra Silvera/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
>>> Date: 26/05/2015 08:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Fiware-chapter-architects] Linux Containers & Docker
>>> Sent by: _fiware-chapter-architects-bounces at lists.fi-ware.org_
> <mailto:fiware-chapter-architects-bounces at lists.fi-ware.org>
>>>
>>> Hi Philipp,
>>>
>>> It is great to hear that FIC2 team is willing to contribute!
>>> In a nutshell, our current plan is to start with surfacing
>>> containers via Nova, and then gradually migrate to Magnum. In terms
>>> of orchestration, we currently work with Heat and Murano, and are
>>> assessing the approaches to support containers (OpenStack alignment
>>> being high priority, but also the ability to surface capabilities
>>> unique to containers).
>>> I suggest that we form a small taskforce to explore this topic.
>>> Please, send me a list of people to involve.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>
> ====================================================================================
>>> Alex Glikson
>>> Manager, Cloud Infrastructure Solutions, IBM Haifa Research Lab
>>> Email: _glikson at il.ibm.com_ <mailto:glikson at il.ibm.com>| Phone:
> +972-4-8281085 | Mobile:
>>> +972-54-6466667 | Fax: +972-4-8296112
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:        Philipp Slusallek <_philipp.slusallek at dfki.de_
> <mailto:philipp.slusallek at dfki.de>>
>>> To:        Juanjo Hierro <_juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com_
> <mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com>>, Alex
>>> Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
>>> Cc:        Ezra Silvera/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, fiware-chapter-
>>> _architects at lists.fi-ware.org_ <mailto:architects at lists.fi-ware.org>,
> Kenneth Nagin/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
>>> Date:        26/05/2015 07:21 AM
>>> Subject:        Re: [Fiware-chapter-architects] Linux Containers & Docker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Here is some first input from FIC2 on Docker compiled from Mario. As I
>>> mentioned before, we have a full system working that deploys entire sets
>>> of GEs/SEs using this mechanism on FIWARE (and AWS) VMs.
>>>
>>> FIC2 would be happy to work with FIWARE to integrate them in whatever
>>> way we at FIWARE decide to implement Docker. Right now we deploy it on
>>> top of the VMs offered by FIWARE but a more native implementation would
>>> be fine as well and save much resources (which seems to be a major
> issue).
>>>
>>> A presentation by Canonical recently showed a >10x improvement in
>>> resource usage with their containers over plain OpenStack (which is
>>> probably where we are -- but then Intel claims even better numbers in
>>> their Clear Containers solution using traditional VMs).
>>>
>>> Since we have experience already, it seems very useful to make Docker
>>> available especially since deployment of SW is much easier too and the
>>> same SW can be deployed essentially anywhere (including a local machine).
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>                 Philipp
>>>
>>> > There are several ways in which FIWARE could support Docker. My
>>> assumption is that the plan is to add to OpenStack a Docker driver.
>>> It would enable the creation of instances which are not VMs but
>>> OpenStack containers, from images which are not ISOs but Docker
>>> images. It’s described here: _https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Docker_
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> >
>>> > Advantages:
>>> >
>>> > + Launches faster than VM instances
>>> >
>>> > + Less resources used from quotas in FIWARE nodes
>>> >
>>> > + images of SEs smaller and easier to build (using Dockerfiles)
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> >
>>> > Open questions / disadvantages:
>>> >
>>> > - Will it be possible to pull images from DockerHub (preferred
>>> approach), or do they need to be uploaded to the Glance image
>>> repository of each FIWARE node?
>>> >
>>> > - Is the only way to launch containers the Cloud Portal or
>>> OpenStack API? Not being able to target a Docker API would reduce
>>> the value of Docker and its ecosystem of tools, e.g.: docker-compose
>>> which enables launching applications composed of multiple containers.
>>> >
>>> > - How to solve the limits in terms of IPs? Maybe with a DNS-based
>>> reverse proxy that forwards HTTP requests to container1.john-
>>> _smith.cloud.fiware.org_ <http://smith.cloud.fiware.org/>to the right
> container port?
>>> >
>>> > - How would links between containers running on different hosts
>>> work? Using Weave?
>>> >
>>> > - Mounting volumes in Docker is a very common way of passing
>>> configuration files, having persistence, etc. How would this work
>> inOpenStack?
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> >
>>> > Our suggestion:
>>> >
>>> > * Ability to use the Docker API remotely (i.e. command-line tools
>>> such as docker and docker-compose, Kitematic for a Mac OS X GUI)
>>> >
>>> > * Ability to pull containers directly from DockerHub with a common
>>> (transparent?) image mirror in each FIWARE node
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> >
>>> > Regarding FIC2Lab runner, our wishlist was:
>>> >
>>> > 1. ability to use the same tools locally and remotely in any cloud
>>> (ideally use docker-machine against any cloud provider, in
>>> particular FIWARE nodes)
>>> >
>>> > 2. nice web user interface hiding the complexity of firewalling,
>>> security pairs, public IPs, etc.
>>> >
>>> > 3. compatibility with the tools of the docker ecosystem: docker
>>> CLI, compose, swarm ...
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> >
>>> > We compared tools such as tutum (free multi-tenant online
>>> service), shipyard (open-source web UI) and panamax (open-source web
>>> UI and orchestrator).
>>> >
>>> > And we decided to go for Panamax, which is nice for #1 and #2 but
>>> not #3 so far. Here's a few pluses and minuses:
>>> >
>>> > + nice UI with DockerHub search
>>> >
>>> > + composite application, with application template search
>>> >
>>> > - It's not multi-tenant, which is good for portability but bad for
>>> software updates
>>> >
>>> > - its model for composite applications is different from docker-
>>> compose (for now)
>>> >
>>> > - the UI can't synchronize with actions performed in Docker CLI or
>>> API because it's using CoreOS underneath
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> >
>>> > The FIC2Lab runner is documented here: _http://fic2.github.io/runner_
>>> >
>>> >  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 20.05.2015 um 17:48 schrieb Juanjo Hierro:
>>> > Dear Alex,
>>> >
>>> >   It's fine with me.
>>> >
>>> >   I believe that we should collocate here the discussion with
>>> > FI-Content2 (Philipp) regarding the stuff they have developed for the
>>> > FIC2-Lab.
>>> >
>>> >   @Philipp: could you share some material (document describing your
> work
>>> > on FIC2-Lab, slides, whatever) describing what you have done and
> send it
>>> > to the fiware-chapter-architects mailing list as preparation for the
>>> > discussion?
>>> >
>>> >   @Alex: please also share the ideas you want to present on this
> matter.
>>> >
>>> >   By exchanging material prior to the meeting, we would be able to have
>>> > a more fruitful meeting.
>>> >
>>> >   Best regards,
>>> >
>>> > -- Juanjo
>>> >
>>> > On 18/05/15 11:07, Alex Glikson wrote:
>>> >> I am out of office on the 25th. Would the following Monday work?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Alex
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> From:        Juanjo Hierro <_juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com_
> <mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com>>
>>> >> To:        Philipp Slusallek <_philipp.slusallek at dfki.de_
> <mailto:philipp.slusallek at dfki.de>>, Alex
>>> >> Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL,
> <_fiware-chapter-architects at lists.fi-ware.org_
> <mailto:fiware-chapter-architects at lists.fi-ware.org>>
>>> >> Cc:        Ezra Silvera/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, Kenneth Nagin/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
>>> >> Date:        18/05/2015 11:53 AM
>>> >> Subject:        Re: [Fiware-chapter-architects] Linux Containers &
>> Docker
>>> >>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>   I would suggest that we book the next architecture session (Monday
>>> >> 25th) to cover this matter.
>>> >>
>>> >>   Will you Alex be able to prepare a presentation?
>>> >>
>>> >>   Cheers,
>>> >>
>>> >> -- Juanjo
>>> >>
>>> >> On 18/05/15 09:46, Philipp Slusallek wrote:
>>> >> > Hi,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This sounds very useful to cover as well in this or one of the next
>>> >> > calls. It would also get the architectural activities started
>> again. It
>>> >> > might even make sense to invite (selected?) AB members from the UCs.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > For example, a lot of work that has been done within FIcontent to
>> deploy
>>> >> > our SEs and related GEs within Docker on top of FIWARE Lab.
>> Particularly
>>> >> > relevant could be the on-click deployment of entire arrangements
>> of GEs
>>> >> > and SEs. Better and more dedicated Docker support would certainly be
>>> >> > very welcome as well.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Unfortunately, I have a lecture this morning and cannot join
>> until 12h.
>>> >> > But Stefan Lemme from my group will be on the call. He has been a
>> core
>>> >> > member of the relevant FIC2-Lab task force in FIcontent.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Best,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >       Philipp
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Am 18.05.2015 um 09:28 schrieb Alex Glikson:
>>> >> >> Maybe we can also dedicate some time to have an initial
>> discussion on
>>> >> >> the roadmap to adopt Linux Containers and in particular Docker in
>>> >> FIWARE
>>> >> >> Lab.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Regards,
>>> >> >> Alex
>>> >> >>
>>
>>
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