[Fiware-cloud] contribution of portal features

[Álvaro Alonso]

Hi Alex, 

I agree with you. Perhaps we can rethink this in the future (if that future exists and we are still here) when the plans regarding Angular in Openstack are more clear. 

BR
--
Álvaro

> El 14 jun 2016, a las 15:06, Alex Glikson <GLIKSON at il.ibm.com> escribió:
> 
> Thanks, Alvaro.
> 
> So, given the technology incompatibility, it seems that direct contributions to Horizon would not be effective -- the functional differences (in the context of capabilities that exist in both) are minor, and even if we contribute, the outcomes can not be reused in the context of FIWARE.
> Moreover, given that the unique portal features are primarily targeting backend capabilities which are not likely to become part of OpenStack (data, apps, FIWARE Lab, etc), it doesn't seem like a good idea to contribute FIWARE Portal 'as is' to OpenStack (as a new project).
> Correct? Other opinions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> 
> ====================================================================================
> Alex Glikson
> Senior Researcher, Cloud Solutions for IoT, IBM Research - Haifa; IBM Lead for FIWARE
> Email: glikson at il.ibm.com | Skype: alex.glikson | Phone: +972-4-8281085 | Mobile: +972-54-6466667
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:        Álvaro Alonso <aalonsog at dit.upm.es>
> To:        Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
> Cc:        Kenneth Nagin/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, fiware-cloud at lists.fiware.org
> Date:        09/06/2016 12:53 PM
> Subject:        Re: [Fiware-cloud] contribution of portal features
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Alex, I will try to answer your questions: 
> 
> 
> 1. Underlying technology (I haven't been following the recent developments in OpenStack around incorporation of client-side technologies) - how (in)compatible the two are?
> 
> Last information we have about this is that they have plans of switching the current Horizon implementation to AngularJS technology in the future. However, there was a part of the community that didn’t agree with this change. On the other hand, and assuming they finally accept the change, the process would be hard so I don’t think it would be ready in medium term. Perhaps, Joaquín can share the last news regarding this.
> 
> As you know, we currently use Backbone.js in our portal. Both of them (Angular and Backbone) are client-side MVC models, but as the technologies are different, the hypothetical migration from one to the other would not be trivial. 
> 
> 2. Features
> 
> - Features related with the main Openstack services are mainly the same in both portals. The substancial difference we had until now was the support of PaaS Manager and SDC features. As they now offer Murano as application manager component and we are adapting Cloud Portal to support it,  this difference is not as important as before. However, the way in which we manage Murano resources in the portal is a little bit different and perhaps better from the user point of view. 
> 
> - We offer OAuth2 support.
> 
> - The UI and UX we have is more user friendly than the one Horizon offers and thanks to the client-side technology the interaction is more agile and dynamic. 
> 
> - In the Cloud Portal we manage several things related with FIWARE Lab environment:
> Account types (community, trial, basic)
> Terms and conditions app
> Sanity checks app (to check nodes status)
> Google Analytics
> Support Service compatibility (to manage VMs by admins)
> Recipes management
> 
> 3. Given that FIWARE Portal includes many things not related to OpenStack projects (e.g., data, apps, etc), which parts (if at all) can be actually useful for OpenStack community? Or is it useful primarily within FIWARE ecosystem?
> 
> I’m my opinion this kind of functionalities are oriented to FIWARE but perhaps some of them could be reused or rethought to be interesting in Openstack Community
> 
> I hope this helps
> --
> Álvaro
> 
> El 9 jun 2016, a las 10:41, Alex Glikson <GLIKSON at il.ibm.com <mailto:GLIKSON at il.ibm.com>> escribió:
> 
> I couldn't attend the meeting, so maybe we can make some progress by email..
> 
> Can someone from UPM (Alvaro?) briefly explain how FIWARE Portal compares to OpenStack Horizon? In particular:
> 1. Underlying technology (I haven't been following the recent developments in OpenStack around incorporation of client-side technologies) - how (in)compatible the two are?
> 2. Features
> 3. Given that FIWARE Portal includes many things not related to OpenStack projects (e.g., data, apps, etc), which parts (if at all) can be actually useful for OpenStack community? Or is it useful primarily within FIWARE ecosystem?
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> 
> ====================================================================================
> Alex Glikson
> Senior Researcher, Cloud Solutions for IoT, IBM Research - Haifa; IBM Lead for FIWARE
> Email: glikson at il.ibm.com <mailto:glikson at il.ibm.com>| Skype: alex.glikson | Phone: +972-4-8281085 | Mobile: +972-54-6466667
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:        Kenneth Nagin/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
> To:        fiware-cloud at lists.fiware.org <mailto:fiware-cloud at lists.fiware.org>
> Date:        09/06/2016 11:28 AM
> Subject:        [Fiware-cloud] contribution of portal features
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> 
> 
> As you know in the last TCS meeting https://docs.google.com/document/d/1no_WL0jupE-2MU2w8LWNzoIWQtooqC4Hfp-LhmIhXJ0/edit#heading=h.jtqzq77kj71g <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1no_WL0jupE-2MU2w8LWNzoIWQtooqC4Hfp-LhmIhXJ0/edit#heading=h.jtqzq77kj71g>
> one of the action points relates to the contribution of the portal features:  
>   "AP on Cloud chapter responsibles (Alex, Kenneth) to come with description of plan regarding contribution of portal features.  This AP would be for follow-up at FIWARE TSC level"
> I think it would be useful for us to begin a thread to discuss the issue so that we have a coherent response.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Kenneth Nagin
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