si salir de Rusia supieron hacerlo, viven en La Manga del Mar Menor ;) 2014-02-04 FERNANDO LOPEZ AGUILAR <fla at tid.es>: > Ya, a mí lo único que me preocupa es que este personaje está escribiendo > estas cosas en las cuentas de twitter y g+ dándole máxima difusión al tema. > Es cierto que es una minoría muy pequeña pero generan mucho ruido. Del > resto del equipo sólo he recibido gracias y demás pero no se ven respuestas > en twitter sobre el tema (o no las he buscado). > > De todas formas telita con los pollos estos. Muchas de las quejas las > podrían haber resuelto usando un simple google maps o preguntando que vamos > parece que es la primera vez que salen de Rusia (y no lo es). > > Saludos, > > Fernando López Aguilar > Cloud Computing > fla at tid dot es > +34 914 832 729 > Telefónica I+D (R&D) > Ronda de la Comunicación s/n > Distrito C, Edificio Oeste 1, Planta 9 > 28043 Madrid, Spain > > > > > > > > Follow FI-WARE on the net > > Website: http://www.fi-ware.eu > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Fiware > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > > > > > El 04/02/2014, a las 11:59, Paco Ragageles <paco at ragageles.com> escribió: > > Desde mi punto de vista a este tipo de elementos tan desequilibrados lo > mejor es no darles "aire" > Debemos desactivar su capacidad de generar ruido dentro de la comisión > siendo los primeros en hablar de este problema para que si hacen lo que sea > estén pre avisados en Bruselas. > Pero lo que veáis me parecerá bien :) > > > _____ > Internet no es una red de ordenadores > Internet es una red de personas > > Paco Ragageles Martins (Inventor) > paco at ragageles.com > Skype: djcien > Twitter: @pacoragageles > Para llamarme por Telefono pon esta url > www.jajah.com/PACORAGAGELES > ------------------------ > > > Este correo electrónico y, en su caso, cualquier fichero anexo al mismo, > contiene información de carácter confidencial, exclusivamente dirigida a > su/s destinatario/s. Queda prohibida su divulgación, copia o distribución a > terceros. En caso de haber recibido este correo electrónico por error, se > ruega notificar inmediatamente esta circunstancia mediante reenvío a la > dirección electrónica del remitente y su eliminación. > > El 04/02/2014, a las 11:55, Raúl Sánchez <raul.sanchez at futuranetworks.com> > escribió: > > ¡Hola Juanjo! > > Más allá de los personajes en cuestión... y del dolor de cabeza que nos > han dado antes, durante y ... después... Sugiero hablemos sobre la > respuesta consensuada a este mensaje, de momento por email ya que ha sido > su canal. En mi opinión hay varias opciones: > > 1) Responder simplemente de forma muy aséptica dándoles las gracias por su > feedback y tomando nota de sus comentarios para seguir mejorando. > 2) Responder a las acusaciones que están haciendo tanto a TID como a la > atención recibida en Campus de forma "polite" y aséptica. El mensaje sería: > 8.000 campuseros han pasado por Campus y 37 equipos de FI-WARE que han dado > una valoración muy positiva de su experiencia. Sentimos que su experiencia > no haya sido positiva pero... > 3) Pasamos de responderles. > > Cuando vuelvas de Bruselas lo hablamos porfa. Como ya habíamos comentado, > esperábamos algún acción similar a esta. Afortunadamente no la liaron en la > entrega de premios pero nunca se sabe el ruido que quieren hacer y a quíen > han copiado... > > Un abrazo, > > Raúl > > > *Raúl Sánchez* > Futura Networks & Campus Party > > Madrid, Spain > +34-659311383 > > *The information in this e-mail (including attachments) is confidential > and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, please > immediately inform the sender and delete this e-mail and any > attachments. Futura Networks and Asociación E3 Futura do their part to > protect our world: please consider the environment before printing this > message.* > > > ------------------------------ > *De:* fiware-comms-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [ > mailto:fiware-comms-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<fiware-comms-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu>] > *En nombre de *Juanjo Hierro > *Enviado el:* lunes, 03 de febrero de 2014 21:15 > *Para:* CARLOS RALLI UCENDO; FERMIN GALAN MARQUEZ; FRANCISCO ROMERO > BUENO; FERNANDO LOPEZ AGUILAR > *CC:* Paco Ragageles; Ángel Hernández; fiware-comms at lists.fi-ware.eu > *Asunto:* [Fiware-comms] Mail de los rusos ... no tiene desperdicio > > > Me lo ha pasado Stefano, que lo ha recibido (la lista de destinatarios > está oculta, así que algunos tal vez lo hayais recibido). No debían de > tener mi dirección de correo, así que yo no lo he recibido. Sin palabras. > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fwd: Problems of Telefonica > I+D Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:25:46 +0100 From: stefano de panfilis > <stefano.depanfilis at eng.it> <stefano.depanfilis at eng.it> To: Juanjo > Hierro <jhierro at tid.es> <jhierro at tid.es> > > enjoy the reading :-) > > ciao, > stefano > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ignat Ignatov <ignat99 at gmail.com> <ignat99 at gmail.com> > Date: 2014-02-02 > Subject: Fwd: Problems of Telefonica I+D > To: > > > Hello, > > As it was in fact :-) > > Regards, > ignat > > P.S. Wi-Fi not working > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ignat Ignatov <ignat99 at gmail.com> <ignat99 at gmail.com> > Date: 2014-01-30 > Subject: Fwd: Problems of Telefonica I+D > To: Eduardo Martín <eduardo.martin at futuranetworks.com> <eduardo.martin at futuranetworks.com>, JAVIER DE > PEDRO SANCHEZ <jdps at tid.es> <jdps at tid.es> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Kestutis Januskevicius <infohata at gmail.com> <infohata at gmail.com> > Date: 2014-01-30 > Subject: Re: Problems of Telefonica I+D > To: Ignat Ignatov <ignat99 at gmail.com> <ignat99 at gmail.com> > > > Hello Dear Sirs, > > We have arrived by plane to the Sao Paulo 1 day earlier that would > catch the senseless rally at 18.30 on 27th evening. Our daily flight > option via Amsterdam lands ~19:00 in Brazil. We have paid more > expensive flight tickets and night in hotel as extra just to > participate in that introduction rally, which as we found out was not > really necessary. From the email we received 1 week before the campus > party event, it looked like it is necessary. > > We were not told that in Sao Paulo we may get stuck with such problems > like getting money out of our cards, as not all bank machines accept > european cards. We have spent over 3 hours to change money for the > ticket to metro to Tiete station as we left our hotel. A simple > message in advance that we can get money in CityBank would have solved > the problem. > > Information about directions to the CPBR hangar did not exist until > the last night before our flight. It came only in Portuguese language > and only directions to the street where to find a free shuttle bus. > The shuttle service from Portuguesa-Tiete was 500 meters away from the > exit of the Tiete station, opposite of the CPBR hangar, which, as we > found out, was not more than 1km away from Tiete. > > We did not get any directions how to get to the CPBR from the airport. > That information was very difficult to find, as all the information > available was only in Portuguese. > > As we have arrived to the campus area, we have found a complete chaos. > We spent like 2 hours to get into the camp, going round and round the > camp with all our heavy luggage, leading by confused campus party > staff, to get our tent without a mattress (we have almost learned > necessary portuguese by then), and to find a surprise that we will > have to pay for food the price like in a 4 star hotel. We were not > advised that we will not get a mattess in our tent, we did not had a > chance to buy it. The two nights we have spent in the camp made us to > seek medical assistance and almost made us crazy. We expected > Telefonica to provide us a normal sleeper, normal living and working > conditions and acceptable food for the fact that we have to work for > their benefit. Furthermore, nobody has issued a sticker on our > equipment, though I have registered it on the site in advance. We had > issues with the security staff on the exit about that. The tent > provided was too intimate for two adult man. We could not agree to > sleep in that together. Because of that, there were a lot of people > sleeping all around the campus - armchairs, chairs, tables, even floor > where carpet was softer than a concrete under the tent. The day before > the presentation on the FiWare stand there was no internet or network > operational. Part of our prototype required pre-configuration of > network to demonstrate it. So we could not prepare our prototype to > show it even if we were ready to do that. As we have found out later, > nobody had a live hardware or software prototype demo. > > We were told of big opportunities to meet investors, possible > partners, present our project, press coverage. All we got is a horde > of children playing games and using Facebook and making noise 24h/day. > We did not get a single investor contact, not a single possible > partner contact, and our "competitors" had a hostile look on us. We > have presented our project in an unbearable noisy environment in the > dark with zero audience. We had to use flash lights to see our > surroundings during the presentation session, which also took place > about 1 hour late on schedule. The parallel presentations of separate > two categories took place at the same area and were disturbing each > other, additionally to the unbearable noise from the surroundings. We > were also told that working language of the event will be English, but > the only moments where we had English were the encounters with > Fi-Ware/Telefonica. We also have found out that Telefonica experts are > not interested in technical subtleties of our solution, all they care > is how to tie our project to as much as possible of their products. > Most of the technology we showed they saw for the first time, and it > looked like they do not know the technical side of the hardware for > Smart Home and Smart City. However, they were very arrogant and > incorrect - as for example, we went to the jury group who were > evaluating software projects and informed that our presentation in the > business group is technically well developed and we believe that it > would be useful for them. We were offensively rejected and told that > we might show it to them later. It was about the most advanced and > expensive sensors, which are widely used for home automation. None of > the members of the technical group did not show the slightest > ineteresa to this topic. > > After the presentation we have got a few disconnected questions, no > feedback on our project, without clear instructions what exactly we > should present on the Firday 31st/January session. They did not ask to > get the material about our project, did not take even a copy of the > presentation. We did not also receive the recommendations on what we > should do next in the written form (email or paper). We were also told > that Fi-Ware staff will be present at their stand at all times and if > we have questions we are free to come there and work with them. We > came back 2 hours after our presentation (~23:00 29th Jan) and waited > for over 12 hours to find anybody who could answer our questions. > During that waiting time we were sweeping the camp for possibilities > and found only under 10 people who could use a unix console or a > compiler, and only two who could speak any of our languages, and those > two were under influence of alcohol. We still do not understand why > were we brought to Brazil such a long distance to present our project > to no audience and in a concentration camp conditions. We did not have > allocated conference rooms for peaceful work and meetings, we were not > provided even with a minimum public stand to place our presentation. > We did not exist as a registered project for public in the Campus > Party at all. > > As we were completely exhausted, at ~11AM in the morning, we contacted > one of the finally found FiWare representatives. When we asked him > about the working hours of their staff at the pavilion, we were told > back that this information was not our business, and that we have no > right in asking such questions. He exaggerated nervously that their > work schedule is free. After a few calls he made, he told us that one > representative of the jury of our category could be available earliest > in 1 hour. Such "anytime" presence and horrible camp conditions are > not acceptable to us, as we were not sleeping normally for over 60 > hours, and we have had already arranged the retreat to a hotel in the > city to rehabilitate ourselves and try to do some work there later. > > As we observed, all the participants have had the same issues - > working without sleep all 2 days, at their own expense, for free. We > all had to pay our food, and for all of us money provided as a price > were taxed and were just enough for the flight tickets. The conclusion > is, that this story which is happening with this competition is a > clear abuse of power and position. > > For the sake of avoiding a conflict with Telefonica we did not call > the insurance company, covered our medical expenses (one of us had got > cold while trying to sleep on a concrete in the tent, a strong > headache, etc.) and moved to a normal hotel. Another of us were trying > to sleep on a sofa in the party area, by holding the bags with > expensive hardware to prevent it from going missing. > > In the morning on the second day all the toilets and showers were > flooded with at least 2cm layer of waste water. > > Considering all the above conditions, it is impossible to work > productively on the project in the territory of Campus Party. > > > -- > Best regards, > Kestutis Januskevicius > Mob.#: +358453115151 > > > -- > Stefano De Panfilis > Chief Innovation Officer > Engineering Ingegneria Informatica S.p.A. > via Riccardo Morandi 32 > 00148 Roma > Italy > > tel (direct): +39-068307-4295 > tel (secr.): +39-068307-4513 > fax: +39-068307-4200 > cell: +39-335-7542-567 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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