A Dmitrii Ignatev se le ha olvidado mencionar la de veces que nos dio las gracias a Raúl y a mí y los trastos que me tiró en varias ocasiones... Por otra parte, su propio compañero de equipo reconoció que Dmitrii es bastante paranóico y que siempre la lía. Lo decía un tanto avergonzado, supongo que como manera de justificarse para que no pensásemos que son los dos iguales. Anyway, no le dedicaría más tiempo a esto, y desde luego no les daría pie a seguir generando ruido. PD: Lo del aire acondicionado es para llorar de la risa ЖD 2014-02-04 15:44 GMT+01:00 Angeles Tejado <angeles.tejado at ogilvy.com>: > ¿Quién Kestutis? Tan solo ha puesto una cosilla en G+ a sus 80 followers y > la ha repetido en twitter a sus 40 followers. En cuanto a Ignatov, no > parece ir con saña y tiene 32 followers. > > Totalmente de acuerdo con el segundo párrafo de Fernando... Me ha > encantado el tuit de Ignatov en el que dice que no funcionaba el ¿aire > acondicionado? XD > > > 2014-02-04 FERNANDO LOPEZ AGUILAR <fla at tid.es>: > >> Ya, a mí lo único que me preocupa es que este personaje está escribiendo >> estas cosas en las cuentas de twitter y g+ dándole máxima difusión al tema. >> Es cierto que es una minoría muy pequeña pero generan mucho ruido. Del >> resto del equipo sólo he recibido gracias y demás pero no se ven respuestas >> en twitter sobre el tema (o no las he buscado). >> >> De todas formas telita con los pollos estos. Muchas de las quejas las >> podrían haber resuelto usando un simple google maps o preguntando que vamos >> parece que es la primera vez que salen de Rusia (y no lo es). >> >> Saludos, >> >> Fernando López Aguilar >> Cloud Computing >> fla at tid dot es >> +34 914 832 729 >> Telefónica I+D (R&D) >> Ronda de la Comunicación s/n >> Distrito C, Edificio Oeste 1, Planta 9 >> 28043 Madrid, Spain >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Follow FI-WARE on the net >> >> Website: http://www.fi-ware.eu >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Fiware >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 >> >> >> >> >> >> El 04/02/2014, a las 11:59, Paco Ragageles <paco at ragageles.com> >> escribió: >> >> Desde mi punto de vista a este tipo de elementos tan desequilibrados lo >> mejor es no darles "aire" >> Debemos desactivar su capacidad de generar ruido dentro de la comisión >> siendo los primeros en hablar de este problema para que si hacen lo que sea >> estén pre avisados en Bruselas. >> Pero lo que veáis me parecerá bien :) >> >> >> _____ >> Internet no es una red de ordenadores >> Internet es una red de personas >> >> Paco Ragageles Martins (Inventor) >> paco at ragageles.com >> Skype: djcien >> Twitter: @pacoragageles >> Para llamarme por Telefono pon esta url >> www.jajah.com/PACORAGAGELES >> ------------------------ >> >> >> Este correo electrónico y, en su caso, cualquier fichero anexo al mismo, >> contiene información de carácter confidencial, exclusivamente dirigida a >> su/s destinatario/s. Queda prohibida su divulgación, copia o distribución a >> terceros. En caso de haber recibido este correo electrónico por error, se >> ruega notificar inmediatamente esta circunstancia mediante reenvío a la >> dirección electrónica del remitente y su eliminación. >> >> El 04/02/2014, a las 11:55, Raúl Sánchez <raul.sanchez at futuranetworks.com> >> escribió: >> >> ¡Hola Juanjo! >> >> Más allá de los personajes en cuestión... y del dolor de cabeza que nos >> han dado antes, durante y ... después... Sugiero hablemos sobre la >> respuesta consensuada a este mensaje, de momento por email ya que ha sido >> su canal. En mi opinión hay varias opciones: >> >> 1) Responder simplemente de forma muy aséptica dándoles las gracias por >> su feedback y tomando nota de sus comentarios para seguir mejorando. >> 2) Responder a las acusaciones que están haciendo tanto a TID como a la >> atención recibida en Campus de forma "polite" y aséptica. El mensaje sería: >> 8.000 campuseros han pasado por Campus y 37 equipos de FI-WARE que han dado >> una valoración muy positiva de su experiencia. Sentimos que su experiencia >> no haya sido positiva pero... >> 3) Pasamos de responderles. >> >> Cuando vuelvas de Bruselas lo hablamos porfa. Como ya habíamos comentado, >> esperábamos algún acción similar a esta. Afortunadamente no la liaron en la >> entrega de premios pero nunca se sabe el ruido que quieren hacer y a quíen >> han copiado... >> >> Un abrazo, >> >> Raúl >> >> >> *Raúl Sánchez* >> Futura Networks & Campus Party >> >> Madrid, Spain >> +34-659311383 >> >> *The information in this e-mail (including attachments) is confidential >> and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, please >> immediately inform the sender and delete this e-mail and any >> attachments. Futura Networks and Asociación E3 Futura do their part to >> protect our world: please consider the environment before printing this >> message.* >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De:* fiware-comms-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [ >> mailto:fiware-comms-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<fiware-comms-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu>] >> *En nombre de *Juanjo Hierro >> *Enviado el:* lunes, 03 de febrero de 2014 21:15 >> *Para:* CARLOS RALLI UCENDO; FERMIN GALAN MARQUEZ; FRANCISCO ROMERO >> BUENO; FERNANDO LOPEZ AGUILAR >> *CC:* Paco Ragageles; Ángel Hernández; fiware-comms at lists.fi-ware.eu >> *Asunto:* [Fiware-comms] Mail de los rusos ... no tiene desperdicio >> >> >> Me lo ha pasado Stefano, que lo ha recibido (la lista de destinatarios >> está oculta, así que algunos tal vez lo hayais recibido). No debían de >> tener mi dirección de correo, así que yo no lo he recibido. Sin palabras. >> >> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fwd: Problems of Telefonica >> I+D Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:25:46 +0100 From: stefano de panfilis >> <stefano.depanfilis at eng.it> <stefano.depanfilis at eng.it> To: Juanjo >> Hierro <jhierro at tid.es> <jhierro at tid.es> >> >> enjoy the reading :-) >> >> ciao, >> stefano >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Ignat Ignatov <ignat99 at gmail.com> <ignat99 at gmail.com> >> Date: 2014-02-02 >> Subject: Fwd: Problems of Telefonica I+D >> To: >> >> >> Hello, >> >> As it was in fact :-) >> >> Regards, >> ignat >> >> P.S. Wi-Fi not working >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Ignat Ignatov <ignat99 at gmail.com> <ignat99 at gmail.com> >> Date: 2014-01-30 >> Subject: Fwd: Problems of Telefonica I+D >> To: Eduardo Martín <eduardo.martin at futuranetworks.com> <eduardo.martin at futuranetworks.com>, JAVIER DE >> PEDRO SANCHEZ <jdps at tid.es> <jdps at tid.es> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Kestutis Januskevicius <infohata at gmail.com> <infohata at gmail.com> >> Date: 2014-01-30 >> Subject: Re: Problems of Telefonica I+D >> To: Ignat Ignatov <ignat99 at gmail.com> <ignat99 at gmail.com> >> >> >> Hello Dear Sirs, >> >> We have arrived by plane to the Sao Paulo 1 day earlier that would >> catch the senseless rally at 18.30 on 27th evening. Our daily flight >> option via Amsterdam lands ~19:00 in Brazil. We have paid more >> expensive flight tickets and night in hotel as extra just to >> participate in that introduction rally, which as we found out was not >> really necessary. From the email we received 1 week before the campus >> party event, it looked like it is necessary. >> >> We were not told that in Sao Paulo we may get stuck with such problems >> like getting money out of our cards, as not all bank machines accept >> european cards. We have spent over 3 hours to change money for the >> ticket to metro to Tiete station as we left our hotel. A simple >> message in advance that we can get money in CityBank would have solved >> the problem. >> >> Information about directions to the CPBR hangar did not exist until >> the last night before our flight. It came only in Portuguese language >> and only directions to the street where to find a free shuttle bus. >> The shuttle service from Portuguesa-Tiete was 500 meters away from the >> exit of the Tiete station, opposite of the CPBR hangar, which, as we >> found out, was not more than 1km away from Tiete. >> >> We did not get any directions how to get to the CPBR from the airport. >> That information was very difficult to find, as all the information >> available was only in Portuguese. >> >> As we have arrived to the campus area, we have found a complete chaos. >> We spent like 2 hours to get into the camp, going round and round the >> camp with all our heavy luggage, leading by confused campus party >> staff, to get our tent without a mattress (we have almost learned >> necessary portuguese by then), and to find a surprise that we will >> have to pay for food the price like in a 4 star hotel. We were not >> advised that we will not get a mattess in our tent, we did not had a >> chance to buy it. The two nights we have spent in the camp made us to >> seek medical assistance and almost made us crazy. We expected >> Telefonica to provide us a normal sleeper, normal living and working >> conditions and acceptable food for the fact that we have to work for >> their benefit. Furthermore, nobody has issued a sticker on our >> equipment, though I have registered it on the site in advance. We had >> issues with the security staff on the exit about that. The tent >> provided was too intimate for two adult man. We could not agree to >> sleep in that together. Because of that, there were a lot of people >> sleeping all around the campus - armchairs, chairs, tables, even floor >> where carpet was softer than a concrete under the tent. The day before >> the presentation on the FiWare stand there was no internet or network >> operational. Part of our prototype required pre-configuration of >> network to demonstrate it. So we could not prepare our prototype to >> show it even if we were ready to do that. As we have found out later, >> nobody had a live hardware or software prototype demo. >> >> We were told of big opportunities to meet investors, possible >> partners, present our project, press coverage. All we got is a horde >> of children playing games and using Facebook and making noise 24h/day. >> We did not get a single investor contact, not a single possible >> partner contact, and our "competitors" had a hostile look on us. We >> have presented our project in an unbearable noisy environment in the >> dark with zero audience. We had to use flash lights to see our >> surroundings during the presentation session, which also took place >> about 1 hour late on schedule. The parallel presentations of separate >> two categories took place at the same area and were disturbing each >> other, additionally to the unbearable noise from the surroundings. We >> were also told that working language of the event will be English, but >> the only moments where we had English were the encounters with >> Fi-Ware/Telefonica. We also have found out that Telefonica experts are >> not interested in technical subtleties of our solution, all they care >> is how to tie our project to as much as possible of their products. >> Most of the technology we showed they saw for the first time, and it >> looked like they do not know the technical side of the hardware for >> Smart Home and Smart City. However, they were very arrogant and >> incorrect - as for example, we went to the jury group who were >> evaluating software projects and informed that our presentation in the >> business group is technically well developed and we believe that it >> would be useful for them. We were offensively rejected and told that >> we might show it to them later. It was about the most advanced and >> expensive sensors, which are widely used for home automation. None of >> the members of the technical group did not show the slightest >> ineteresa to this topic. >> >> After the presentation we have got a few disconnected questions, no >> feedback on our project, without clear instructions what exactly we >> should present on the Firday 31st/January session. They did not ask to >> get the material about our project, did not take even a copy of the >> presentation. We did not also receive the recommendations on what we >> should do next in the written form (email or paper). We were also told >> that Fi-Ware staff will be present at their stand at all times and if >> we have questions we are free to come there and work with them. We >> came back 2 hours after our presentation (~23:00 29th Jan) and waited >> for over 12 hours to find anybody who could answer our questions. >> During that waiting time we were sweeping the camp for possibilities >> and found only under 10 people who could use a unix console or a >> compiler, and only two who could speak any of our languages, and those >> two were under influence of alcohol. We still do not understand why >> were we brought to Brazil such a long distance to present our project >> to no audience and in a concentration camp conditions. We did not have >> allocated conference rooms for peaceful work and meetings, we were not >> provided even with a minimum public stand to place our presentation. >> We did not exist as a registered project for public in the Campus >> Party at all. >> >> As we were completely exhausted, at ~11AM in the morning, we contacted >> one of the finally found FiWare representatives. When we asked him >> about the working hours of their staff at the pavilion, we were told >> back that this information was not our business, and that we have no >> right in asking such questions. He exaggerated nervously that their >> work schedule is free. After a few calls he made, he told us that one >> representative of the jury of our category could be available earliest >> in 1 hour. Such "anytime" presence and horrible camp conditions are >> not acceptable to us, as we were not sleeping normally for over 60 >> hours, and we have had already arranged the retreat to a hotel in the >> city to rehabilitate ourselves and try to do some work there later. >> >> As we observed, all the participants have had the same issues - >> working without sleep all 2 days, at their own expense, for free. We >> all had to pay our food, and for all of us money provided as a price >> were taxed and were just enough for the flight tickets. The conclusion >> is, that this story which is happening with this competition is a >> clear abuse of power and position. >> >> For the sake of avoiding a conflict with Telefonica we did not call >> the insurance company, covered our medical expenses (one of us had got >> cold while trying to sleep on a concrete in the tent, a strong >> headache, etc.) and moved to a normal hotel. Another of us were trying >> to sleep on a sofa in the party area, by holding the bags with >> expensive hardware to prevent it from going missing. >> >> In the morning on the second day all the toilets and showers were >> flooded with at least 2cm layer of waste water. >> >> Considering all the above conditions, it is impossible to work >> productively on the project in the territory of Campus Party. >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Kestutis Januskevicius >> Mob.#: +358453115151 >> >> >> -- >> Stefano De Panfilis >> Chief Innovation Officer >> Engineering Ingegneria Informatica S.p.A. >> via Riccardo Morandi 32 >> 00148 Roma >> Italy >> >> tel (direct): +39-068307-4295 >> tel (secr.): +39-068307-4513 >> fax: +39-068307-4200 >> cell: +39-335-7542-567 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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