Dear Juanjo, The Foundation is integrated into the proposal, almost exclusively on communication activities, as you requested. Pierre-Yves and Stefano are part of the proposal as well as Luis Ignacio and Estan for TID as you know. Fede will register formally the Foundation as a partner with the EC tool. We will update the monthly rate in our budget sheet (currently the budget for the Foundation is around 200 K€). Please send me asap a description of the activities of the FIWARE Press Office. I will send you later today the description we have put for the Foundation in section4-5 for finalisation. Thank you and best regards, Jacques -- Jacques Magen *jmagen at interinnov.eu* Tel.: +33 9 81 03 98 49 / +33 7 60 46 50 23 www.interinnov.eu <http://www.interinnov.eu> Twitter: @interinnov_eu <http://twitter.com/interinnov_eu> Skype: jacques.magen Le 05/04/2016 07:09, Juanjo Hierro a écrit : > Dear Federico, > > Any news on this matter ? > > Finally we got the PIC number for the FIWARE Foundation: 919308965 > > For the direct costs per PM, you may consider 7000 € > > We can provide a description of the activities of the FIWARE Press > Office. > > Note: For your convenience and regarding matters about integration > of the FIWARE Foundation in the proposal, you can contact any of the > following contacts of the FIWARE Foundation Founder companies. You > can also use the fiware-foundation-info at lists.fiware.org mailing list, > which can work as kind of help-desk for requesting any info or assistance: > > * Nuria De-Lama <nuria.delama at atos.net> (Atos) > * Stefano De Panfilis <Stefano.DePanfilis at eng.it> (Engineering) > * Pierre Yves Danet <pierreyves.danet at orange.com> (Orange) > * Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> (Telefónica) > > > Cheers, > > -- Juanjo > ______________________________________________________ > > Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform > IoT Unit, Telefónica > > email:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com > twitter: @JuanjoHierro > > You can follow FIWARE at: > website:http://www.fiware.org > twitter: @FIWARE > facebook:http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > linkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > On 24/03/16 13:46, Juanjo Hierro wrote: >> >> On 24/03/16 13:16, Jacques Magen (InterInnov) wrote: >>> Dear Juanjo, >>> >>> Thank you for the very good explanation which helps me/us understand >>> the whole picture better. I just discussed with Fede and we agree on >>> the following: >>> >>> - We take the Foundation on board, and we give them the >>> responsibility for promotion and communication activities, and we >>> will also include the Foundation in the management activities for >>> the interaction with the other projects and bodies. Please send Fede >>> the PIC number as soon as it is available (if not yet). Also who is >>> the contact person and the resources that will be in the Foundation >>> and that will be mentioned in the proposal? It cannot be you and any >>> of us, it should be dedicated personnel. Please think about this and >>> let us know how to proceed in this respect. I had a similar issue >>> with the 5G Infrastructure Association, I can check how we did it >>> and we could follow the same path maybe -I will look into that >>> -except if you have another idea, then let me know. >>> For the budget let's see where we stand next week, we are currently >>> finalizing all WPs and Tasks and the various sections of the >>> proposal and we will come up with a first provisional budget shortly. >> >> Ok. Sounds good. I don't have a strong position regarding how to >> handle the matter on contact person and resources, so happy to learn >> how you has handled it related to the 5G infrastructure >> association. Let's discuss the details about budget next week. >> >>> >>> - We understand your concern about the coverage of all issues in the >>> bullet point that we are addressing, but actually when reading the >>> call text for this topic we will be addressing all aspects, from the >>> international perspective. We assume that the iHubs proposal will >>> also address all aspects, from a European perspective. In this sense >>> merging would only lose the focus of each of the proposals. If you >>> tell us who is coordinating the iHubs proposal we can coordinate >>> with them and make sure we have complementary activities, but we >>> consider that merging is not a good solution at this stage. >> >> Ok. If you believe you are safe, I don't complain. I understand >> that it would be difficult to merge. My concern was more that both >> get disqualified because none were presenting a complete proposal, >> but if you feel safe, that's fine. >> >> What it is important is that combining the two proposals you don't >> go higher than 3 M€ ... I'm talking to people coordinating the >> proposal from iHubs so I guess it should not be difficult to >> coordinate on that. >> >>> >>> Thank you again and let's hope we will all have at the end the best >>> possible projects that will be nicely coordinating with each other. >> >> Thanks to you. Cheers, >> >> -- Juanjo >> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Jacques Magen >>> >>> *jmagen at interinnov.eu* >>> >>> Tel.: +33 9 81 03 98 49 / +33 7 60 46 50 23 >>> >>> www.interinnov.eu >>> >>> Twitter: @interinnov_eu <http://twitter.com/interinnov_eu> >>> >>> Skype: jacques.magen >>> >>> Le 24/03/2016 00:58, Juanjo Hierro a écrit : >>>> >>>> On 22/03/16 14:48, Jacques Magen (InterInnov) wrote: >>>>> Dear Juanjo, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for your email. Indeed I am coordinating a proposal for >>>>> ICT12a.ii (12.b is the RIA) that UPM (Fede in cc) will coordinate, >>>>> as is the case for the current FI-LINKS project where I am leading >>>>> the international activities but where Fede is the overall >>>>> coordinator. >>>>> >>>>> We are grateful for your support to FIWARE Mundus and to a >>>>> continuation of our activities. You are raising three important >>>>> issues i.e. 1) the coordination among ICT12a proposals, 2) the >>>>> participation of the FIWARE Foundation, and 3) the communication >>>>> activities. >>>>> >>>>> _1) Coordination among ICT12a proposals_ >>>>> >>>>> As you can imagine, we discussed several times with the EC about >>>>> our proposal. They made it very clear that they want proposals >>>>> focusing on one bullet point (in our case 12a.ii), that they want >>>>> from us a proposal focusing on international activities, and that >>>>> they are expecting another proposal on European regional >>>>> activities from iHubs. They also clearly told us that the budget >>>>> for each proposal shall not be more than 1.2 M€, as they are >>>>> planning to accept between 2 and 4 proposals addressing 12a.ii. In >>>>> this sense we do agree that the two proposals shall not have a >>>>> total budget beyond 3 M€, we will be targeting between 1.2 and 1.5 >>>>> on our side and we expect the iHubs proposal to do the same. >>>>> >>>>> Merging with the iHubs proposal would be contradictory to this >>>>> feedback that we have got. Besides, we believe that there is a >>>>> risk that such a merged proposal would lose the focus that is >>>>> required. So at this stage we are hesitant about your suggestion, >>>>> also because there is less than one month before the deadline and >>>>> our proposal is already quite advanced and would need to be >>>>> completely reshaped probably -not to mention adding new partners. >>>> >>>> I have had some informal conversations with the EC this week. >>>> Last one yesterday. >>>> >>>> They told me they are looking for proposals that cover each of >>>> the 4 goals within ICT-12.a in its full extend. That's why I see >>>> some risk. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> However coordination between projects is indeed very important. In >>>>> our understanding, there is a project that will support the FIWARE >>>>> Foundation that should address ICT12.a.iii. and this project >>>>> should take care of the coordination between the various ICT12a >>>>> projects. We are fully ready to take a small part in this project >>>>> i.e. UPM and InterInnov on the FIWARE Mundus chapter, in order to >>>>> make sure that FIWARE Mundus keeps a consistent approach and is >>>>> fully in line with the priorities of the Foundation (while we >>>>> would also contribute to those priorities at international level). >>>>> We think that involving someone from iHubs would also be good to >>>>> take care of the European regional chapter -and probably the same >>>>> for the accelerators. >>>> >>>> You seem to have a wrong assumption regarding ICT-12.a.iii. >>>> ICT-12.a.iii is not about funding the FIWARE Foundation or about >>>> activities of the FIWARE Foundation. Please read the text call and >>>> you will immediately realize that. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, goals ii to iv under ICT-12.a have to do with >>>> supporting activities that would be carried out by members of the >>>> FIWARE Community. They map rather nicely, and would help to give >>>> continuity, to activities linked to the 5 pillar programmes of the >>>> FIWARE initative defined in https://www.fiware.org/about-us/. Actually: >>>> >>>> * Continuity of FIWARE and FIWARE Lab activities would be >>>> supported in ICT-12.a.iii >>>> * Continuity of the FIWARE Mundus and FIWARE iHub programmes >>>> activities would be supported in ICT-12.a.ii >>>> * Continuity of the FIWARE Accelerator programme activities would >>>> be supported in ICT-12.a.iv >>>> >>>> >>>> The FIWARE Foundation, on the other hand, is aimed at supporting >>>> activities of the FIWARE Community, therefore activities linked to >>>> the 5 mentioned pillars. The necessary funding to cover resources >>>> of the Foundation to get involved and therefore ensure proper >>>> support and coordination of activities in the 5 pillars should >>>> naturally come from projects funded linked to the ICT-12.ii-iv >>>> objectives and not just ICT-12.iii >>>> >>>> It's time now for those who believe in the FIWARE initiative and >>>> lead activities linked to the five pillars of FIWARE to take >>>> responsibility and contribute to the sustainability of the FIWARE >>>> Foundation. Because of that, we are recommending submitters of >>>> proposals to the different subcalls to incorporate resources within >>>> their projects to be assigned to the FIWARE Foundation as a >>>> partner. Such resources should cover the corresponding >>>> involvement of the Press Office in the different programmes >>>> (FIWARE, FIWARE Lab, FIWARE iHub, FIWARE Mundus, FIWARE Accelerator >>>> programmes). Devoting the funding of 1 FTE/year to the FIWARE >>>> Foundation for coordination purposes as well as 10% of the overall >>>> funding to FIWARE Press Office activities seem like a reasonable >>>> approach). I can tell you that we plan to give away more >>>> resources within the proposal that we will submit to ICT-12.a.iii, >>>> but the rest of proposals should approach this figures IMHO. >>>> >>>> Again, based on informal conversations hold with the EC, I feel >>>> that they will welcome proposals submitted to each of the the >>>> ICT-12.a goals that incorporate resources assigned to the FIWARE >>>> Foundation. You can contact Jesus, Peter, Ragnar or Arian to >>>> double-check. >>>> >>>> I believe, on the other hand, that proposals that will bring the >>>> FIWARE Foundation on board will have higher chances to succeed. Of >>>> course, this is my personal opinion. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then at proposal stage even if we do not merge there is the >>>>> possibility to interact among proposals and make sure we are not >>>>> overlapping. This may be a more feasible solution -I mean between >>>>> the ICT12a.ii proposals from FIWARE Mundus and iHubs, and the >>>>> ICT12a.iii proposal. >>>> >>>> As explained, the more urgent/critical matter is that of >>>> incorporating resources of the FIWARE Foundation in the proposal. >>>> Merging might look difficult, you simply have to balance the risk >>>> of not doing so. I have been told by the EC that proposals >>>> targeted to each of the ICT-12.a.x goals will be evaluated against >>>> all objectives of the targeted ICT-12.a.x goal. In other words, >>>> they have to be "complete". If the EC coach the evaluators in >>>> that direction, then you are incurring into a serious risk. >>>> >>>> I would kindly suggest that you contact the EC regarding the two >>>> points: about completeness of proposals and the fact that the EC >>>> will welcome that proposals incorporate resources assigned to the >>>> FIWARE Foundation (including Press Office activities). This way >>>> you will get feedback directly. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> _2) Participation of the FIWARE Foundation__ >>>>> _ >>>>> Making the FIWARE Foundation a partner in the proposal is >>>>> definitely welcome. At this stage as you know there are 5 partners >>>>> in the proposal: UPM, InterInnov, TID, Engineering and ATOS. As >>>>> you can see there are three of the four founding members of the >>>>> Foundation. If the Foundation was to appear as such in the >>>>> proposal, then it should be replacing some of the activities >>>>> currently planned for TID, Engineering or Orange, not in addition >>>>> to those. This way it would be clear that there is a tight >>>>> integration between the Foundation and the activities planned in >>>>> the project, and no overlap with what TID, Engineering and Orange >>>>> would do on their own. >>>> >>>> I'm not famliar with the details of the activities assigned to >>>> TID, Engineering, Orange or Atos. i don't believe that they will >>>> run any activity that could be assumed by the Press Office. The >>>> rest of resources we recommend to assign to the FIWARE Foundation >>>> are more for coordination purposes. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> _3) Communication activities__ >>>>> _ >>>>> Considering the tight budget, we have decided indeed to cut into >>>>> the communication and promotion activities and relate on other >>>>> ICT12 project that should do that. I do not know yet how much the >>>>> communication activities will cost in our project but our intent >>>>> is indeed to keep them in line with what we believe we can do and >>>>> focus on international events and promotional activities. In this >>>>> sense. We are planning to have a kind of a global FIWARE Programme >>>>> a little bit similar to GCTC to encourage the development of >>>>> FIWARE-based solutions all over the world, in this sense I believe >>>>> that the budget dedicated to this will probably in line with the >>>>> 200-300 K€ you are mentioning, maybe even more,. However going for >>>>> a broader presence and sponsoring of events may once again make us >>>>> lose the focus while once again there should be a FIWARE >>>>> Foundation support proposal including also the current activities >>>>> of the FIWARE Press Office that should be doing that. >>>>> Now I am not really sure I understand why the Foundation would >>>>> take care of those activities. For me as mentioned in 2 this is >>>>> part of the proposal under ICT12.a.iii not ours, and then the >>>>> Foundation should manage the Press Office indeed. >>>> >>>> >>>> Again your assumption that there should be a single proposal >>>> taking care of the FIWARE Foundation support, assuming all the >>>> costs covering coordination/support activities or activities of the >>>> FIWARE Press Office with regards to each of the FIWARE pillars >>>> (FIWARE Platform, FIWARE Lab, FIWARE Mundus, FIWARE iHubs, FIWARE >>>> Accelerator) is wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As you know I am in Washington D.C. this week at the GCTC Tech >>>>> Jam, but if you want to talk on the phone with Fede about this >>>>> feel free to do that. I trust that Fede and you will find the >>>>> right way to proceed on all those three important issues. I shall >>>>> be back in the office only next Monday (maybe Friday afternoon but >>>>> not for sure). Probably the first thing we we want to do is check >>>>> this once again with the EC, although at first we are rather >>>>> hesitant as we are not sure it will actually increase our chances >>>>> and will for sure make the next weeks more challenging. >>>> >>>> Ok. I'll talk to Fede. I hope that despite it's holidays he >>>> will ready to talk :-) >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> -- Juanjo >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Jacques Magen >>>>> >>>>> *jmagen at interinnov.eu* >>>>> >>>>> Tel.: +33 9 81 03 98 49 / +33 7 60 46 50 23 >>>>> >>>>> www.interinnov.eu >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @interinnov_eu <http://twitter.com/interinnov_eu> >>>>> >>>>> Skype: jacques.magen >>>>> >>>>> Le 22/03/2016 14:01, Juanjo Hierro a écrit : >>>>>> Hi Jacques, >>>>>> >>>>>> Any feedback about my previous mail below? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a conversation with Jesus today and he has told me that an >>>>>> actual requirement that will be evaluated on any proposal would >>>>>> be that >>>>>> of covering ALL aspects of the corresponding goal ... >>>>>> >>>>>> I see now more clearly the need of merge between the two current >>>>>> ongoing proposals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, the matter about incorporation of the Foundation as >>>>>> partner, taking care of communication activities (therefore >>>>>> carrying out >>>>>> proper coordination with the Press Office) is also rather relevant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Juanjo >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform >>>>>> CTO Industrial IoT, Telefónica >>>>>> >>>>>> email: juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com >>>>>> twitter: @JuanjoHierro >>>>>> >>>>>> You can follow FIWARE at: >>>>>> website: http://www.fiware.org >>>>>> twitter: @FIWARE >>>>>> facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 >>>>>> linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20/03/16 20:02, Juanjo Hierro wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Jacques, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope you are doing well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Based on conversations hold with Luis Ignacio, I understand >>>>>>> that you >>>>>>> are leading the preparation of a proposal to the ICT-12.b call >>>>>>> on the >>>>>>> topic of "FIWARE ecosystem creation", trying to give continuity to >>>>>>> activities under the FIWARE mundus programme. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This looks very fine. You know that I'm the first who has >>>>>>> advocated >>>>>>> for FIWARE mundus to work as a stable programme and describe it >>>>>>> as a >>>>>>> pillar of the FIWARE initiative in all official documents >>>>>>> describing >>>>>>> the FIWARE initiative. Therefore, I certainly support the idea of >>>>>>> FIWARE mundus activities being funded under ICT-12 Innovation >>>>>>> Actions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess you know that relevant partners behind the FIWARE iHubs >>>>>>> programme are, on the other hand, also preparing a proposal to >>>>>>> ICT-12.b. It is true that such proposal would not overlap with the >>>>>>> one focused on FIWARE mundus. After all, the FIWARE mundus and >>>>>>> FIWARE iHubs programme were defined to be complementary with not >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> much overlapping. However, I'm concerned that the two >>>>>>> proposals, if >>>>>>> presented separately, reduce their chances to be selected >>>>>>> against any >>>>>>> other proposal that may be submitted to the same objective with >>>>>>> a more >>>>>>> holistic approach (i.e., covering all aspects regarding FIWARE >>>>>>> ecosystem creation). This might be very well the case because >>>>>>> each of >>>>>>> the two will not address the whole objective (objective ii) while a >>>>>>> third may go for addressing it all ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to propose that the two proposals merge in only one >>>>>>> which can be evaluated as completely addressing the targeted >>>>>>> objective. I can help in achieving such merge. By merging the >>>>>>> two >>>>>>> proposals, we believe that there will be more chances to succeed >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> synergies can be put in place. In this respect, we believe that a >>>>>>> proposal derived from such merge should not be requesting more than >>>>>>> 2,5-3 M€ (3 M€ would be absolutely maximum). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In addition to this, and in any case, I would like to >>>>>>> encourage you >>>>>>> to incorporate participation of the FIWARE foundation as partner. >>>>>>> This would be feasible since the FIWARE Foundation founders (Atos, >>>>>>> Engineering, Orange and Telefónica) have agreed to obtain a PIC for >>>>>>> the FIWARE foundation which would allow it to join as partner >>>>>>> despite >>>>>>> not yet created (this option was actually double-checked with the >>>>>>> EC). One benefit of it is that this would allow communication >>>>>>> activities to be subcontracted by the Foundation, which as >>>>>>> non-profit >>>>>>> organization would get 100% funded. We would also encourage >>>>>>> you that >>>>>>> an effort of at least 200-300 K€ of the funding is booked for >>>>>>> communication activities as part of FIWARE Mundus activities. That >>>>>>> would allow to be present as sponsor, and produce all the necessary >>>>>>> material as well as the design of a visible booth, in relevant >>>>>>> events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What are your thoughts? Should we work for the merge? 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