Hi Pierre-Yves, thanks! Hope you can fill in data for 2 participants with the same e-mail address... if not let me know. Kind regards, Federico El 05/04/2016 a las 10:28, pierreyves.danet at orange.com escribió: > > Hi Fede, > > I am the interim contact for the FIWARE Foundation > > We have to write the text to present the FIWARE foundation as well as > the description of the contribution, hope we can provide it to you > very soon > > PY > > *De :*fiware-foundation-info-bounces at lists.fiware.org > [mailto:fiware-foundation-info-bounces at lists.fiware.org] *De la part > de* Federico Alvarez > *Envoyé :* mardi 5 avril 2016 10:25 > *À :* Jacques Magen (InterInnov); Juanjo Hierro > *Cc :* LUIS IGNACIO VICENTE DEL OLMO; > fiware-foundation-info at lists.fiware.org > *Objet :* Re: [Fiware-foundation-info] Proposal to ICT-12.b call on > FIWARE ecosystem creation > > In addition Nuria de Lama wanted to discuss some activities ATOS could > perform in the Foundation concerning this proposal. > > I suggest you keep in touch for this matter. > > I will add you to the proposal in the EC system, but I need > confirmation on the contact to use for the portal. Is it you Juanjo? > > In addition information for some parts of the proposal related to > dissemination/exploitation and contribution to some sections should be > provided. Can I count on you for the duties? > > Regards, > Fede > > > > > El 05/04/2016 a las 9:45, Jacques Magen (InterInnov) escribió: > > Dear Juanjo, > > The Foundation is integrated into the proposal, almost exclusively > on communication activities, as you requested. Pierre-Yves and > Stefano are part of the proposal as well as Luis Ignacio and Estan > for TID as you know. Fede will register formally the Foundation as > a partner with the EC tool. We will update the monthly rate in our > budget sheet (currently the budget for the Foundation is around > 200 K€). > > Please send me asap a description of the activities of the FIWARE > Press Office. I will send you later today the description we have > put for the Foundation in section4-5 for finalisation. > > Thank you and best regards, > > Jacques > > -- > > Jacques Magen > > *jmagen at interinnov.eu <mailto:jmagen at interinnov.eu>* > > Tel.: +33 9 81 03 98 49 / +33 7 60 46 50 23 > > www.interinnov.eu <http://www.interinnov.eu> > > Twitter: @interinnov_eu <http://twitter.com/interinnov_eu> > > Skype: jacques.magen > > Le 05/04/2016 07:09, Juanjo Hierro a écrit : > > Dear Federico, > > Any news on this matter ? > > Finally we got the PIC number for the FIWARE Foundation: > 919308965 > > For the direct costs per PM, you may consider 7000 € > > We can provide a description of the activities of the FIWARE > Press Office. > > Note: For your convenience and regarding matters about > integration of the FIWARE Foundation in the proposal, you can > contact any of the following contacts of the FIWARE Foundation > Founder companies. You can also use the > fiware-foundation-info at lists.fiware.org > <mailto:fiware-foundation-info at lists.fiware.org> mailing list, > which can work as kind of help-desk for requesting any info or > assistance: > > * Nuria De-Lama <nuria.delama at atos.net> > <mailto:nuria.delama at atos.net> (Atos) > * Stefano De Panfilis <Stefano.DePanfilis at eng.it> > <mailto:Stefano.DePanfilis at eng.it> (Engineering) > * Pierre Yves Danet <pierreyves.danet at orange.com> > <mailto:pierreyves.danet at orange.com> (Orange) > * Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> > <mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> (Telefónica) > > > Cheers, > > -- Juanjo > > ______________________________________________________ > > Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform > > IoT Unit, Telefónica > > email:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com > <mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> > > twitter: @JuanjoHierro > > You can follow FIWARE at: > > website:http://www.fiware.org > > twitter: @FIWARE > > facebook:http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > > linkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 24/03/16 13:46, Juanjo Hierro wrote: > > On 24/03/16 13:16, Jacques Magen (InterInnov) wrote: > > Dear Juanjo, > > Thank you for the very good explanation which helps > me/us understand the whole picture better. I just > discussed with Fede and we agree on the following: > > - We take the Foundation on board, and we give them > the responsibility for promotion and communication > activities, and we will also include the Foundation in > the management activities for the interaction with the > other projects and bodies. Please send Fede the PIC > number as soon as it is available (if not yet). Also > who is the contact person and the resources that will > be in the Foundation and that will be mentioned in the > proposal? It cannot be you and any of us, it should be > dedicated personnel. Please think about this and let > us know how to proceed in this respect. I had a > similar issue with the 5G Infrastructure Association, > I can check how we did it and we could follow the same > path maybe -I will look into that -except if you have > another idea, then let me know. > For the budget let's see where we stand next week, we > are currently finalizing all WPs and Tasks and the > various sections of the proposal and we will come up > with a first provisional budget shortly. > > > Ok. Sounds good. I don't have a strong position > regarding how to handle the matter on contact person and > resources, so happy to learn how you has handled it > related to the 5G infrastructure association. Let's > discuss the details about budget next week. > > > > - We understand your concern about the coverage of all > issues in the bullet point that we are addressing, but > actually when reading the call text for this topic we will > be addressing all aspects, from the international > perspective. We assume that the iHubs proposal will also > address all aspects, from a European perspective. In this > sense merging would only lose the focus of each of the > proposals. If you tell us who is coordinating the iHubs > proposal we can coordinate with them and make sure we have > complementary activities, but we consider that merging is > not a good solution at this stage. > > > Ok. If you believe you are safe, I don't complain. I > understand that it would be difficult to merge. My > concern was more that both get disqualified because none > were presenting a complete proposal, but if you feel > safe, that's fine. > > What it is important is that combining the two proposals > you don't go higher than 3 M€ ... I'm talking to people > coordinating the proposal from iHubs so I guess it should > not be difficult to coordinate on that. > > > > Thank you again and let's hope we will all have at the end > the best possible projects that will be nicely > coordinating with each other. > > > Thanks to you. Cheers, > > -- Juanjo > > > > Best regards, > > Jacques > > -- > > Jacques Magen > > *jmagen at interinnov.eu <mailto:jmagen at interinnov.eu>* > > Tel.: +33 9 81 03 98 49 / +33 7 60 46 50 23 > > www.interinnov.eu <http://www.interinnov.eu> > > Twitter: @interinnov_eu <http://twitter.com/interinnov_eu> > > Skype: jacques.magen > > Le 24/03/2016 00:58, Juanjo Hierro a écrit : > > On 22/03/16 14:48, Jacques Magen (InterInnov) wrote: > > Dear Juanjo, > > Thank you for your email. Indeed I am coordinating > a proposal for ICT12a.ii (12.b is the RIA) that > UPM (Fede in cc) will coordinate, as is the case > for the current FI-LINKS project where I am > leading the international activities but where > Fede is the overall coordinator. > > We are grateful for your support to FIWARE Mundus > and to a continuation of our activities. You are > raising three important issues i.e. 1) the > coordination among ICT12a proposals, 2) the > participation of the FIWARE Foundation, and 3) the > communication activities. > > _1) Coordination among ICT12a proposals_ > > As you can imagine, we discussed several times > with the EC about our proposal. They made it very > clear that they want proposals focusing on one > bullet point (in our case 12a.ii), that they want > from us a proposal focusing on international > activities, and that they are expecting another > proposal on European regional activities from > iHubs. They also clearly told us that the budget > for each proposal shall not be more than 1.2 M€, > as they are planning to accept between 2 and 4 > proposals addressing 12a.ii. In this sense we do > agree that the two proposals shall not have a > total budget beyond 3 M€, we will be targeting > between 1.2 and 1.5 on our side and we expect the > iHubs proposal to do the same. > > Merging with the iHubs proposal would be > contradictory to this feedback that we have got. > Besides, we believe that there is a risk that such > a merged proposal would lose the focus that is > required. So at this stage we are hesitant about > your suggestion, also because there is less than > one month before the deadline and our proposal is > already quite advanced and would need to be > completely reshaped probably -not to mention > adding new partners. > > > I have had some informal conversations with the EC > this week. Last one yesterday. > > They told me they are looking for proposals that > cover each of the 4 goals within ICT-12.a in its full > extend. That's why I see some risk. > > > > However coordination between projects is indeed very > important. In our understanding, there is a project > that will support the FIWARE Foundation that should > address ICT12.a.iii. and this project should take care > of the coordination between the various ICT12a > projects. We are fully ready to take a small part in > this project i.e. UPM and InterInnov on the FIWARE > Mundus chapter, in order to make sure that FIWARE > Mundus keeps a consistent approach and is fully in > line with the priorities of the Foundation (while we > would also contribute to those priorities at > international level). We think that involving someone > from iHubs would also be good to take care of the > European regional chapter -and probably the same for > the accelerators. > > > You seem to have a wrong assumption regarding > ICT-12.a.iii. ICT-12.a.iii is not about funding the > FIWARE Foundation or about activities of the FIWARE > Foundation. Please read the text call and you will > immediately realize that. > > On the other hand, goals ii to iv under ICT-12.a > have to do with supporting activities that would be > carried out by members of the FIWARE Community. They > map rather nicely, and would help to give continuity, > to activities linked to the 5 pillar programmes of the > FIWARE initative defined in > https://www.fiware.org/about-us/. Actually: > > * Continuity of FIWARE and FIWARE Lab activities > would be supported in ICT-12.a.iii > * Continuity of the FIWARE Mundus and FIWARE iHub > programmes activities would be supported in > ICT-12.a.ii > * Continuity of the FIWARE Accelerator programme > activities would be supported in ICT-12.a.iv > > > The FIWARE Foundation, on the other hand, is aimed > at supporting activities of the FIWARE Community, > therefore activities linked to the 5 mentioned > pillars. The necessary funding to cover resources of > the Foundation to get involved and therefore ensure > proper support and coordination of activities in the 5 > pillars should naturally come from projects funded > linked to the ICT-12.ii-iv objectives and not just > ICT-12.iii > > It's time now for those who believe in the FIWARE > initiative and lead activities linked to the five > pillars of FIWARE to take responsibility and > contribute to the sustainability of the FIWARE > Foundation. Because of that, we are recommending > submitters of proposals to the different subcalls to > incorporate resources within their projects to be > assigned to the FIWARE Foundation as a partner. Such > resources should cover the corresponding involvement > of the Press Office in the different programmes > (FIWARE, FIWARE Lab, FIWARE iHub, FIWARE Mundus, > FIWARE Accelerator programmes). Devoting the funding > of 1 FTE/year to the FIWARE Foundation for > coordination purposes as well as 10% of the overall > funding to FIWARE Press Office activities seem like a > reasonable approach). I can tell you that we plan to > give away more resources within the proposal that we > will submit to ICT-12.a.iii, but the rest of proposals > should approach this figures IMHO. > > Again, based on informal conversations hold with the > EC, I feel that they will welcome proposals submitted > to each of the the ICT-12.a goals that incorporate > resources assigned to the FIWARE Foundation. You can > contact Jesus, Peter, Ragnar or Arian to double-check. > > I believe, on the other hand, that proposals that > will bring the FIWARE Foundation on board will have > higher chances to succeed. Of course, this is my > personal opinion. > > > > Then at proposal stage even if we do not merge there > is the possibility to interact among proposals and > make sure we are not overlapping. This may be a more > feasible solution -I mean between the ICT12a.ii > proposals from FIWARE Mundus and iHubs, and the > ICT12a.iii proposal. > > > As explained, the more urgent/critical matter is > that of incorporating resources of the FIWARE > Foundation in the proposal. Merging might look > difficult, you simply have to balance the risk of not > doing so. I have been told by the EC that proposals > targeted to each of the ICT-12.a.x goals will be > evaluated against all objectives of the targeted > ICT-12.a.x goal. In other words, they have to be > "complete". If the EC coach the evaluators in that > direction, then you are incurring into a serious risk. > > I would kindly suggest that you contact the EC > regarding the two points: about completeness of > proposals and the fact that the EC will welcome that > proposals incorporate resources assigned to the FIWARE > Foundation (including Press Office activities). This > way you will get feedback directly. > > > > > _2) Participation of the FIWARE Foundation > _ > Making the FIWARE Foundation a partner in the proposal > is definitely welcome. At this stage as you know there > are 5 partners in the proposal: UPM, InterInnov, TID, > Engineering and ATOS. As you can see there are three > of the four founding members of the Foundation. If the > Foundation was to appear as such in the proposal, then > it should be replacing some of the activities > currently planned for TID, Engineering or Orange, not > in addition to those. This way it would be clear that > there is a tight integration between the Foundation > and the activities planned in the project, and no > overlap with what TID, Engineering and Orange would do > on their own. > > > I'm not famliar with the details of the activities > assigned to TID, Engineering, Orange or Atos. i > don't believe that they will run any activity that > could be assumed by the Press Office. The rest of > resources we recommend to assign to the FIWARE > Foundation are more for coordination purposes. > > > > _3) Communication activities > _ > Considering the tight budget, we have decided indeed > to cut into the communication and promotion activities > and relate on other ICT12 project that should do that. > I do not know yet how much the communication > activities will cost in our project but our intent is > indeed to keep them in line with what we believe we > can do and focus on international events and > promotional activities. In this sense. We are planning > to have a kind of a global FIWARE Programme a little > bit similar to GCTC to encourage the development of > FIWARE-based solutions all over the world, in this > sense I believe that the budget dedicated to this will > probably in line with the 200-300 K€ you are > mentioning, maybe even more,. However going for a > broader presence and sponsoring of events may once > again make us lose the focus while once again there > should be a FIWARE Foundation support proposal > including also the current activities of the FIWARE > Press Office that should be doing that. > > Now I am not really sure I understand why the > Foundation would take care of those activities. > For me as mentioned in 2 this is part of the > proposal under ICT12.a.iii not ours, and then the > Foundation should manage the Press Office indeed. > > > > Again your assumption that there should be a single > proposal taking care of the FIWARE Foundation support, > assuming all the costs covering coordination/support > activities or activities of the FIWARE Press Office > with regards to each of the FIWARE pillars (FIWARE > Platform, FIWARE Lab, FIWARE Mundus, FIWARE iHubs, > FIWARE Accelerator) is wrong. > > > > > As you know I am in Washington D.C. this week at the > GCTC Tech Jam, but if you want to talk on the phone > with Fede about this feel free to do that. I trust > that Fede and you will find the right way to proceed > on all those three important issues. I shall be back > in the office only next Monday (maybe Friday afternoon > but not for sure). Probably the first thing we we want > to do is check this once again with the EC, although > at first we are rather hesitant as we are not sure it > will actually increase our chances and will for sure > make the next weeks more challenging. > > > Ok. I'll talk to Fede. I hope that despite it's > holidays he will ready to talk :-) > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > > > > Best regards, > > Jacques > > -- > > Jacques Magen > > *jmagen at interinnov.eu <mailto:jmagen at interinnov.eu>* > > Tel.: +33 9 81 03 98 49 / +33 7 60 46 50 23 > > www.interinnov.eu <http://www.interinnov.eu> > > Twitter: @interinnov_eu <http://twitter.com/interinnov_eu> > > Skype: jacques.magen > > Le 22/03/2016 14:01, Juanjo Hierro a écrit : > > Hi Jacques, > > Any feedback about my previous mail below? > > I have a conversation with Jesus today and he > has told me that an > actual requirement that will be evaluated on any > proposal would be that > of covering ALL aspects of the corresponding goal ... > > I see now more clearly the need of merge between > the two current > ongoing proposals. > > Of course, the matter about incorporation of the > Foundation as > partner, taking care of communication activities > (therefore carrying out > proper coordination with the Press Office) is also > rather relevant. > > Cheers, > > -- Juanjo > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform > CTO Industrial IoT, Telefónica > > email: juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com > <mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> > twitter: @JuanjoHierro > > You can follow FIWARE at: > website: http://www.fiware.org > twitter: @FIWARE > facebook: > http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > linkedIn: > http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 20/03/16 20:02, Juanjo Hierro wrote: > > Dear Jacques, > > I hope you are doing well. > > Based on conversations hold with Luis Ignacio, I > understand that you > are leading the preparation of a proposal to the > ICT-12.b call on the > topic of "FIWARE ecosystem creation", trying to > give continuity to > activities under the FIWARE mundus programme. > > This looks very fine. You know that I'm the > first who has advocated > for FIWARE mundus to work as a stable programme > and describe it as a > pillar of the FIWARE initiative in all official > documents describing > the FIWARE initiative. Therefore, I certainly > support the idea of > FIWARE mundus activities being funded under ICT-12 > Innovation Actions. > > I guess you know that relevant partners behind > the FIWARE iHubs > programme are, on the other hand, also preparing a > proposal to > ICT-12.b. It is true that such proposal would not > overlap with the > one focused on FIWARE mundus. After all, the > FIWARE mundus and > FIWARE iHubs programme were defined to be > complementary with not that > much overlapping. However, I'm concerned that the > two proposals, if > presented separately, reduce their chances to be > selected against any > other proposal that may be submitted to the same > objective with a more > holistic approach (i.e., covering all aspects > regarding FIWARE > ecosystem creation). This might be very well the > case because each of > the two will not address the whole objective > (objective ii) while a > third may go for addressing it all ... > > I would like to propose that the two proposals > merge in only one > which can be evaluated as completely addressing > the targeted > objective. I can help in achieving such merge. > By merging the two > proposals, we believe that there will be more > chances to succeed and > synergies can be put in place. In this respect, > we believe that a > proposal derived from such merge should not be > requesting more than > 2,5-3 M€ (3 M€ would be absolutely maximum). > > In addition to this, and in any case, I would > like to encourage you > to incorporate participation of the FIWARE > foundation as partner. > This would be feasible since the FIWARE Foundation > founders (Atos, > Engineering, Orange and Telefónica) have agreed to > obtain a PIC for > the FIWARE foundation which would allow it to join > as partner despite > not yet created (this option was actually > double-checked with the > EC). One benefit of it is that this would allow > communication > activities to be subcontracted by the Foundation, > which as non-profit > organization would get 100% funded. We would > also encourage you that > an effort of at least 200-300 K€ of the funding is > booked for > communication activities as part of FIWARE Mundus > activities. That > would allow to be present as sponsor, and produce > all the necessary > material as well as the design of a visible booth, > in relevant events. > > What are your thoughts? Should we work for the > merge? 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