Is the acronym "FIF"? We have used FF so far. Let us know. Jacques Le 05/04/2016 12:09, pierreyves.danet at orange.com a écrit : > > Hi everyone > > Well I shall try, could you please add the FIF PIC and the > administrative contact name of Danièle LE BORGNE > (daniele.leborgne at orange.com <mailto:daniele.leborgne at orange.com>), > she will take care about the FIF > > Kind regards > > PY > > *De :*Jacques Magen (InterInnov) [mailto:jmagen at interinnov.eu] > *Envoyé :* mardi 5 avril 2016 11:49 > *À :* DANET Pierre-Yves IMT/OLR; Federico Alvarez; Juanjo Hierro > *Cc :* LUIS IGNACIO VICENTE DEL OLMO; > fiware-foundation-info at lists.fiware.org > *Objet :* Re: [Fiware-foundation-info] Proposal to ICT-12.b call on > FIWARE ecosystem creation > > 1) I do not think we can have the same person as contact for the > Foundation and for Orange. > 2) I have already drafted a text for the Foundation in section 4-5, > and I will revise it in the next 2 hours. Please wait for this version > before you start revising. > Thanks, > Jacques > > Le 05/04/2016 10:28, pierreyves.danet at orange.com > <mailto:pierreyves.danet at orange.com> a écrit : > > Hi Fede, > > I am the interim contact for the FIWARE Foundation > > We have to write the text to present the FIWARE foundation as well > as the description of the contribution, hope we can provide it to > you very soon > > PY > > *De :*fiware-foundation-info-bounces at lists.fiware.org > <mailto:fiware-foundation-info-bounces at lists.fiware.org> > [mailto:fiware-foundation-info-bounces at lists.fiware.org] *De la > part de* Federico Alvarez > *Envoyé :* mardi 5 avril 2016 10:25 > *À :* Jacques Magen (InterInnov); Juanjo Hierro > *Cc :* LUIS IGNACIO VICENTE DEL OLMO; > fiware-foundation-info at lists.fiware.org > <mailto:fiware-foundation-info at lists.fiware.org> > *Objet :* Re: [Fiware-foundation-info] Proposal to ICT-12.b call > on FIWARE ecosystem creation > > In addition Nuria de Lama wanted to discuss some activities ATOS > could perform in the Foundation concerning this proposal. > > I suggest you keep in touch for this matter. > > I will add you to the proposal in the EC system, but I need > confirmation on the contact to use for the portal. Is it you Juanjo? > > In addition information for some parts of the proposal related to > dissemination/exploitation and contribution to some sections > should be provided. Can I count on you for the duties? > > Regards, > Fede > > > > > > El 05/04/2016 a las 9:45, Jacques Magen (InterInnov) escribió: > > Dear Juanjo, > > The Foundation is integrated into the proposal, almost > exclusively on communication activities, as you requested. > Pierre-Yves and Stefano are part of the proposal as well as > Luis Ignacio and Estan for TID as you know. Fede will register > formally the Foundation as a partner with the EC tool. We will > update the monthly rate in our budget sheet (currently the > budget for the Foundation is around 200 K€). > > Please send me asap a description of the activities of the > FIWARE Press Office. I will send you later today the > description we have put for the Foundation in section4-5 for > finalisation. > > Thank you and best regards, > > Jacques > > -- > > Jacques Magen > > *jmagen at interinnov.eu <mailto:jmagen at interinnov.eu>* > > Tel.: +33 9 81 03 98 49 / +33 7 60 46 50 23 > > www.interinnov.eu <http://www.interinnov.eu> > > Twitter: @interinnov_eu <http://twitter.com/interinnov_eu> > > Skype: jacques.magen > > Le 05/04/2016 07:09, Juanjo Hierro a écrit : > > Dear Federico, > > Any news on this matter ? > > Finally we got the PIC number for the FIWARE Foundation: > 919308965 > > For the direct costs per PM, you may consider 7000 € > > We can provide a description of the activities of the > FIWARE Press Office. > > Note: For your convenience and regarding matters about > integration of the FIWARE Foundation in the proposal, you > can contact any of the following contacts of the FIWARE > Foundation Founder companies. You can also use the > fiware-foundation-info at lists.fiware.org > <mailto:fiware-foundation-info at lists.fiware.org> mailing > list, which can work as kind of help-desk for requesting > any info or assistance: > > * Nuria De-Lama <nuria.delama at atos.net> > <mailto:nuria.delama at atos.net> (Atos) > * Stefano De Panfilis <Stefano.DePanfilis at eng.it> > <mailto:Stefano.DePanfilis at eng.it> (Engineering) > * Pierre Yves Danet <pierreyves.danet at orange.com> > <mailto:pierreyves.danet at orange.com> (Orange) > * Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> > <mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> (Telefónica) > > > Cheers, > > -- Juanjo > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform > > IoT Unit, Telefónica > > > > email:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com > <mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> > > twitter: @JuanjoHierro > > > > You can follow FIWARE at: > > website:http://www.fiware.org > > twitter: @FIWARE > > facebook:http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > > linkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 24/03/16 13:46, Juanjo Hierro wrote: > > On 24/03/16 13:16, Jacques Magen (InterInnov) wrote: > > Dear Juanjo, > > Thank you for the very good explanation which > helps me/us understand the whole picture better. I > just discussed with Fede and we agree on the > following: > > - We take the Foundation on board, and we give > them the responsibility for promotion and > communication activities, and we will also include > the Foundation in the management activities for > the interaction with the other projects and > bodies. Please send Fede the PIC number as soon as > it is available (if not yet). Also who is the > contact person and the resources that will be in > the Foundation and that will be mentioned in the > proposal? It cannot be you and any of us, it > should be dedicated personnel. Please think about > this and let us know how to proceed in this > respect. I had a similar issue with the 5G > Infrastructure Association, I can check how we did > it and we could follow the same path maybe -I will > look into that -except if you have another idea, > then let me know. > For the budget let's see where we stand next week, > we are currently finalizing all WPs and Tasks and > the various sections of the proposal and we will > come up with a first provisional budget shortly. > > > Ok. Sounds good. I don't have a strong position > regarding how to handle the matter on contact person > and resources, so happy to learn how you has handled > it related to the 5G infrastructure association. Let's > discuss the details about budget next week. > > > > > - We understand your concern about the coverage of all > issues in the bullet point that we are addressing, but > actually when reading the call text for this topic we > will be addressing all aspects, from the international > perspective. We assume that the iHubs proposal will > also address all aspects, from a European perspective. > In this sense merging would only lose the focus of > each of the proposals. If you tell us who is > coordinating the iHubs proposal we can coordinate with > them and make sure we have complementary activities, > but we consider that merging is not a good solution at > this stage. > > > Ok. If you believe you are safe, I don't > complain. I understand that it would be difficult to > merge. My concern was more that both get > disqualified because none were presenting a complete > proposal, but if you feel safe, that's fine. > > What it is important is that combining the two > proposals you don't go higher than 3 M€ ... I'm > talking to people coordinating the proposal from iHubs > so I guess it should not be difficult to coordinate on > that. > > > > > Thank you again and let's hope we will all have at the > end the best possible projects that will be nicely > coordinating with each other. > > > Thanks to you. Cheers, > > -- Juanjo > > > > > Best regards, > > Jacques > > -- > > Jacques Magen > > *jmagen at interinnov.eu <mailto:jmagen at interinnov.eu>* > > Tel.: +33 9 81 03 98 49 / +33 7 60 46 50 23 > > www.interinnov.eu <http://www.interinnov.eu> > > Twitter: @interinnov_eu <http://twitter.com/interinnov_eu> > > Skype: jacques.magen > > Le 24/03/2016 00:58, Juanjo Hierro a écrit : > > On 22/03/16 14:48, Jacques Magen (InterInnov) wrote: > > Dear Juanjo, > > Thank you for your email. Indeed I am > coordinating a proposal for ICT12a.ii (12.b is > the RIA) that UPM (Fede in cc) will > coordinate, as is the case for the current > FI-LINKS project where I am leading the > international activities but where Fede is the > overall coordinator. > > We are grateful for your support to FIWARE > Mundus and to a continuation of our > activities. You are raising three important > issues i.e. 1) the coordination among ICT12a > proposals, 2) the participation of the FIWARE > Foundation, and 3) the communication activities. > > _1) Coordination among ICT12a proposals_ > > As you can imagine, we discussed several times > with the EC about our proposal. They made it > very clear that they want proposals focusing > on one bullet point (in our case 12a.ii), that > they want from us a proposal focusing on > international activities, and that they are > expecting another proposal on European > regional activities from iHubs. They also > clearly told us that the budget for each > proposal shall not be more than 1.2 M€, as > they are planning to accept between 2 and 4 > proposals addressing 12a.ii. In this sense we > do agree that the two proposals shall not have > a total budget beyond 3 M€, we will be > targeting between 1.2 and 1.5 on our side and > we expect the iHubs proposal to do the same. > > Merging with the iHubs proposal would be > contradictory to this feedback that we have > got. Besides, we believe that there is a risk > that such a merged proposal would lose the > focus that is required. So at this stage we > are hesitant about your suggestion, also > because there is less than one month before > the deadline and our proposal is already quite > advanced and would need to be completely > reshaped probably -not to mention adding new > partners. > > > I have had some informal conversations with the > EC this week. Last one yesterday. > > They told me they are looking for proposals that > cover each of the 4 goals within ICT-12.a in its > full extend. That's why I see some risk. > > > > > However coordination between projects is indeed > very important. In our understanding, there is a > project that will support the FIWARE Foundation > that should address ICT12.a.iii. and this project > should take care of the coordination between the > various ICT12a projects. We are fully ready to > take a small part in this project i.e. UPM and > InterInnov on the FIWARE Mundus chapter, in order > to make sure that FIWARE Mundus keeps a consistent > approach and is fully in line with the priorities > of the Foundation (while we would also contribute > to those priorities at international level). We > think that involving someone from iHubs would also > be good to take care of the European regional > chapter -and probably the same for the accelerators. > > > You seem to have a wrong assumption regarding > ICT-12.a.iii. ICT-12.a.iii is not about funding > the FIWARE Foundation or about activities of the > FIWARE Foundation. Please read the text call and > you will immediately realize that. > > On the other hand, goals ii to iv under ICT-12.a > have to do with supporting activities that would > be carried out by members of the FIWARE > Community. They map rather nicely, and would > help to give continuity, to activities linked to > the 5 pillar programmes of the FIWARE initative > defined in https://www.fiware.org/about-us/. Actually: > > * Continuity of FIWARE and FIWARE Lab activities > would be supported in ICT-12.a.iii > * Continuity of the FIWARE Mundus and FIWARE > iHub programmes activities would be supported > in ICT-12.a.ii > * Continuity of the FIWARE Accelerator programme > activities would be supported in ICT-12.a.iv > > > The FIWARE Foundation, on the other hand, is > aimed at supporting activities of the FIWARE > Community, therefore activities linked to the 5 > mentioned pillars. The necessary funding to > cover resources of the Foundation to get involved > and therefore ensure proper support and > coordination of activities in the 5 pillars should > naturally come from projects funded linked to the > ICT-12.ii-iv objectives and not just ICT-12.iii > > It's time now for those who believe in the > FIWARE initiative and lead activities linked to > the five pillars of FIWARE to take responsibility > and contribute to the sustainability of the FIWARE > Foundation. Because of that, we are recommending > submitters of proposals to the different subcalls > to incorporate resources within their projects to > be assigned to the FIWARE Foundation as a > partner. Such resources should cover the > corresponding involvement of the Press Office in > the different programmes (FIWARE, FIWARE Lab, > FIWARE iHub, FIWARE Mundus, FIWARE Accelerator > programmes). Devoting the funding of 1 FTE/year > to the FIWARE Foundation for coordination purposes > as well as 10% of the overall funding to FIWARE > Press Office activities seem like a reasonable > approach). I can tell you that we plan to give > away more resources within the proposal that we > will submit to ICT-12.a.iii, but the rest of > proposals should approach this figures IMHO. > > Again, based on informal conversations hold with > the EC, I feel that they will welcome proposals > submitted to each of the the ICT-12.a goals that > incorporate resources assigned to the FIWARE > Foundation. You can contact Jesus, Peter, Ragnar > or Arian to double-check. > > I believe, on the other hand, that proposals > that will bring the FIWARE Foundation on board > will have higher chances to succeed. Of course, > this is my personal opinion. > > > > > Then at proposal stage even if we do not merge > there is the possibility to interact among > proposals and make sure we are not overlapping. > This may be a more feasible solution -I mean > between the ICT12a.ii proposals from FIWARE Mundus > and iHubs, and the ICT12a.iii proposal. > > > As explained, the more urgent/critical matter is > that of incorporating resources of the FIWARE > Foundation in the proposal. Merging might look > difficult, you simply have to balance the risk of > not doing so. I have been told by the EC that > proposals targeted to each of the ICT-12.a.x goals > will be evaluated against all objectives of the > targeted ICT-12.a.x goal. In other words, they > have to be "complete". If the EC coach the > evaluators in that direction, then you are > incurring into a serious risk. > > I would kindly suggest that you contact the EC > regarding the two points: about completeness of > proposals and the fact that the EC will welcome > that proposals incorporate resources assigned to > the FIWARE Foundation (including Press Office > activities). This way you will get feedback directly. > > > > > > _2) Participation of the FIWARE Foundation > _ > Making the FIWARE Foundation a partner in the > proposal is definitely welcome. At this stage as > you know there are 5 partners in the proposal: > UPM, InterInnov, TID, Engineering and ATOS. As you > can see there are three of the four founding > members of the Foundation. If the Foundation was > to appear as such in the proposal, then it should > be replacing some of the activities currently > planned for TID, Engineering or Orange, not in > addition to those. This way it would be clear that > there is a tight integration between the > Foundation and the activities planned in the > project, and no overlap with what TID, Engineering > and Orange would do on their own. > > > I'm not famliar with the details of the > activities assigned to TID, Engineering, Orange or > Atos. i don't believe that they will run any > activity that could be assumed by the Press > Office. The rest of resources we recommend to > assign to the FIWARE Foundation are more for > coordination purposes. > > > > > _3) Communication activities > _ > Considering the tight budget, we have decided > indeed to cut into the communication and promotion > activities and relate on other ICT12 project that > should do that. I do not know yet how much the > communication activities will cost in our project > but our intent is indeed to keep them in line with > what we believe we can do and focus on > international events and promotional activities. > In this sense. We are planning to have a kind of a > global FIWARE Programme a little bit similar to > GCTC to encourage the development of FIWARE-based > solutions all over the world, in this sense I > believe that the budget dedicated to this will > probably in line with the 200-300 K€ you are > mentioning, maybe even more,. However going for a > broader presence and sponsoring of events may once > again make us lose the focus while once again > there should be a FIWARE Foundation support > proposal including also the current activities of > the FIWARE Press Office that should be doing that. > > Now I am not really sure I understand why the > Foundation would take care of those > activities. For me as mentioned in 2 this is > part of the proposal under ICT12.a.iii not > ours, and then the Foundation should manage > the Press Office indeed. > > > > Again your assumption that there should be a > single proposal taking care of the FIWARE > Foundation support, assuming all the costs > covering coordination/support activities or > activities of the FIWARE Press Office with regards > to each of the FIWARE pillars (FIWARE Platform, > FIWARE Lab, FIWARE Mundus, FIWARE iHubs, FIWARE > Accelerator) is wrong. > > > > > > As you know I am in Washington D.C. this week at > the GCTC Tech Jam, but if you want to talk on the > phone with Fede about this feel free to do that. I > trust that Fede and you will find the right way to > proceed on all those three important issues. I > shall be back in the office only next Monday > (maybe Friday afternoon but not for sure). > Probably the first thing we we want to do is check > this once again with the EC, although at first we > are rather hesitant as we are not sure it will > actually increase our chances and will for sure > make the next weeks more challenging. > > > Ok. I'll talk to Fede. I hope that despite > it's holidays he will ready to talk :-) > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > > > > > Best regards, > > Jacques > > -- > > Jacques Magen > > *jmagen at interinnov.eu <mailto:jmagen at interinnov.eu>* > > Tel.: +33 9 81 03 98 49 / +33 7 60 46 50 23 > > www.interinnov.eu <http://www.interinnov.eu> > > Twitter: @interinnov_eu > <http://twitter.com/interinnov_eu> > > Skype: jacques.magen > > Le 22/03/2016 14:01, Juanjo Hierro a écrit : > > Hi Jacques, > > Any feedback about my previous mail below? > > I have a conversation with Jesus today and > he has told me that an > actual requirement that will be evaluated on > any proposal would be that > of covering ALL aspects of the corresponding > goal ... > > I see now more clearly the need of merge > between the two current > ongoing proposals. > > Of course, the matter about incorporation of > the Foundation as > partner, taking care of communication > activities (therefore carrying out > proper coordination with the Press Office) is > also rather relevant. > > Cheers, > > -- Juanjo > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform > CTO Industrial IoT, Telefónica > > email: juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com > <mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> > twitter: @JuanjoHierro > > You can follow FIWARE at: > website: http://www.fiware.org > twitter: @FIWARE > facebook: > http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > > linkedIn: > http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 20/03/16 20:02, Juanjo Hierro wrote: > > > Dear Jacques, > > I hope you are doing well. > > Based on conversations hold with Luis > Ignacio, I understand that you > are leading the preparation of a proposal to > the ICT-12.b call on the > topic of "FIWARE ecosystem creation", trying > to give continuity to > activities under the FIWARE mundus programme. > > This looks very fine. You know that I'm the > first who has advocated > for FIWARE mundus to work as a stable > programme and describe it as a > pillar of the FIWARE initiative in all > official documents describing > the FIWARE initiative. Therefore, I > certainly support the idea of > FIWARE mundus activities being funded under > ICT-12 Innovation Actions. > > I guess you know that relevant partners > behind the FIWARE iHubs > programme are, on the other hand, also > preparing a proposal to > ICT-12.b. It is true that such proposal would > not overlap with the > one focused on FIWARE mundus. After all, the > FIWARE mundus and > FIWARE iHubs programme were defined to be > complementary with not that > much overlapping. However, I'm concerned that > the two proposals, if > presented separately, reduce their chances to > be selected against any > other proposal that may be submitted to the > same objective with a more > holistic approach (i.e., covering all aspects > regarding FIWARE > ecosystem creation). This might be very well > the case because each of > the two will not address the whole objective > (objective ii) while a > third may go for addressing it all ... > > I would like to propose that the two > proposals merge in only one > which can be evaluated as completely > addressing the targeted > objective. I can help in achieving such > merge. By merging the two > proposals, we believe that there will be more > chances to succeed and > synergies can be put in place. In this > respect, we believe that a > proposal derived from such merge should not be > requesting more than > 2,5-3 M€ (3 M€ would be absolutely maximum). > > In addition to this, and in any case, I > would like to encourage you > to incorporate participation of the FIWARE > foundation as partner. > This would be feasible since the FIWARE > Foundation founders (Atos, > Engineering, Orange and Telefónica) have > agreed to obtain a PIC for > the FIWARE foundation which would allow it to > join as partner despite > not yet created (this option was actually > double-checked with the > EC). One benefit of it is that this would > allow communication > activities to be subcontracted by the > Foundation, which as non-profit > organization would get 100% funded. We would > also encourage you that > an effort of at least 200-300 K€ of the > funding is booked for > communication activities as part of FIWARE > Mundus activities. 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