From pablo.osers at telefonica.com Mon Jul 11 17:38:41 2016 From: pablo.osers at telefonica.com (PABLO OSERS) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:38:41 +0000 Subject: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status In-Reply-To: References: <1A6085451D09EB42A9F774D6BBB90470013F3708@DEFTHW99EZ1MSX.ww931.my-it-solutions.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I'm writing just to know if we have some answers from the LEGAL depts. regarding the secondments issue? Hope to hear from you soon Br Pablo From: fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org] On Behalf Of PABLO OSERS Sent: martes, 28 de junio de 2016 10:52 To: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Dear Orazio, Perfect and many thanks. That's the idea, so we can have all legal depts. to review the contract and reach a common understanding, so we can decide how to start the process for the foundation Br Pablo From: orazio viele [mailto:viele at eng.it] Sent: martes, 28 de junio de 2016 10:29 To: PABLO OSERS > Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Dear Pablo, I'm not an expert in legal questions, but reading your message I have some doubts. Starting from your interpretation of Article 8 of H2020 Framework Contract you deduce that it can't use the secondment. If this deduction is right all H2020 projects can't use the secondment, it seems to me a strong constraint (but repeat I'm not an expert). We asked a legal opinion to the company that certifies our cost statements of H2020 projects. We will send you the answer as soon as we receive it. Regards Orazio Orazio Viele Direttore Generale Direzione Generale Tecnica, Innovazione e Ricerca orazio.viele at eng.it Engineering Ingegneria Informatica spa Via San Martino della Battaglia, 56 - 00185 Roma Tel. +39-06.49201393 Mob. +39-335.5751468 Amministratore Unico Engiweb Security S.r.L. www.eng.it Il 28/06/2016 09:25, PABLO OSERS ha scritto: Hi all, Any more comments regarding my mail? Br Pablo From: Garcia Medina, Alicia [mailto:alicia.garcia at atos.net] Sent: domingo, 26 de junio de 2016 22:16 To: PABLO OSERS Subject: RE: [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Hi Pablo, Linked third party I understand is only if there is a legal link between for instance de FF and a member. I suppose it would be simply third party but I suppose that is not desired by EC. Is there a way we check directly with the EC? Do we already know who would be the PO? Thank you Alicia. Alicia Garc?a Medina Head of Atos Research & Innovation Phone: +34 91 214 88 00 Fax: +34 91 754 32 52 alicia.garcia at atos.net Albarrac?n ,25 28037 - Madrid (Spain) www.atos.net [cid:image002.jpg at 01D11273.7B7EC6A0] Feel free to download our BOOKLET [ARI Booklet 2015 cover page-lo] From: fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org] On Behalf Of PABLO OSERS Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 6:53 PM To: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org Subject: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Hi all, good afternoon!!! First of all, let me clarify the concept, so we can all be on the same page. Secondment: * a temporary transfer of an employee from Company A (hired by Company A), to work for Company B * No new contracts are signed between the employee and Company B * The max duration of the temporary transfer is 1 year * The salary and social security are covered by company A * Company B covers all the costs and pay them to company A as a service contract signed between them If we review Article number 8 of the document attached (H2020 contract): ARTICLE 8 - RESOURCES TO IMPLEMENT THE ACTION, The beneficiaries must have the appropriate resources to implement the action. * We can understand that the Foundation must have the resources under her own contracts as her own staff, and not as secondments. * Secondments don't legally belong to the foundation. * If the foundation has resources to "implement the action", it can complement those resources with the use of article 14 (ARTICLE 14 - IMPLEMENTATION OF ACTION TASKS BY LINKED THIRD PARTIES) * As stated within article 14, Entities performing a substantial part of the work (i.e. action tasks) should in principle be beneficiaries, NOT linked third parties. Linked third parties should only exceptionally perform a major part of the R&I work. o Meaning that linked third parties can't do any major or substantial part of the action task. * Option B: o An employee from any of the core members, pauses his contracts during his leave to the Foundation. o The foundation signs a new contract with this employee during the projects duration and his location can be either: * In Germany * In his home country (teleworking): This option needs to be reviews with legal and tax experts due to the german labor law o This employee later returns to his former company and "re-starts" his contract. * This "leave of absence" concept must also be reviewed on a per country basis. * In Spain, the contract of "leave of absence" does not force Telefonica to re-hire the employee, it only states that IF there is a vacancy, Telefonica will take into consideration the employee, its resume, etc. Do we all understand the same situation regarding article 8 of the H2020 contract? 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At present, anyway, I have informally discussed the issue with a couple of HoU in the Commission and, based on their experience, they do not see any problem to expose seconded staff mainly/only from the FF. I have also spoken with the CEO of an other Association that expose in H2020 projects staff seconded by some industrial members also participating to the the projects. Should you be interested, I could provide (with the prey to keep it confidential) the collaboration model regulating the secondment of a person from an industrial member to the association. The related costs have been exposed by the assiociation and approved even after an Audit on the related project. I will come back on this as soon as I have additional feedback. dario > Il giorno 11/lug/2016, alle ore 17:38, PABLO OSERS ha scritto: > > Hi all, > > I?m writing just to know if we have some answers from the LEGAL depts. regarding the secondments issue? > > Hope to hear from you soon > Br > Pablo > > From: fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org] On Behalf Of PABLO OSERS > Sent: martes, 28 de junio de 2016 10:52 > To: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org > Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status > > Dear Orazio, > > Perfect and many thanks. That?s the idea, so we can have all legal depts. to review the contract and reach a common understanding, so we can decide how to start the process for the foundation > > Br > Pablo > > From: orazio viele [mailto:viele at eng.it ] > Sent: martes, 28 de junio de 2016 10:29 > To: PABLO OSERS > > Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status > > Dear Pablo, > I'm not an expert in legal questions, but reading your message I have some doubts. Starting from your interpretation of Article 8 of H2020 Framework Contract you deduce that it can't use the secondment. If this deduction is right all H2020 projects can't use the secondment, it seems to me a strong constraint (but repeat I'm not an expert). We asked a legal opinion to the company that certifies our cost statements of H2020 projects. We will send you the answer as soon as we receive it. > > > > > Regards > Orazio > > > > Orazio Viele > Direttore Generale > Direzione Generale Tecnica, Innovazione e Ricerca > orazio.viele at eng.it > > Engineering Ingegneria Informatica spa > Via San Martino della Battaglia, 56 - 00185 Roma > Tel. +39-06.49201393 > Mob. +39-335.5751468 > > Amministratore Unico > Engiweb Security S.r.L. > www.eng.it > Il 28/06/2016 09:25, PABLO OSERS ha scritto: > Hi all, > > Any more comments regarding my mail? > > Br > Pablo > > From: Garcia Medina, Alicia [mailto:alicia.garcia at atos.net ] > Sent: domingo, 26 de junio de 2016 22:16 > To: PABLO OSERS > Subject: RE: [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status > > Hi Pablo, > > Linked third party I understand is only if there is a legal link between for instance de FF and a member. I suppose it would be simply third party but I suppose that is not desired by EC. > > Is there a way we check directly with the EC? Do we already know who would be the PO? > > Thank you > Alicia. > > Alicia Garc?a Medina > > Head of Atos Research & Innovation > > Phone: +34 91 214 88 00 > Fax: +34 91 754 32 52 > alicia.garcia at atos.net > Albarrac?n ,25 > 28037 - Madrid (Spain) > www.atos.net > > > > Feel free to download our BOOKLET > > > From: fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org ] On Behalf Of PABLO OSERS > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 6:53 PM > To: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org > Subject: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status > > Hi all, good afternoon!!! > > First of all, let me clarify the concept, so we can all be on the same page. > > Secondment: > ? a temporary transfer of an employee from Company A (hired by Company A), to work for Company B > ? No new contracts are signed between the employee and Company B > ? The max duration of the temporary transfer is 1 year > ? The salary and social security are covered by company A > ? Company B covers all the costs and pay them to company A as a service contract signed between them > > If we review Article number 8 of the document attached (H2020 contract): > > ARTICLE 8 ? RESOURCES TO IMPLEMENT THE ACTION, The beneficiaries must have the appropriate resources to implement the action. > > ? We can understand that the Foundation must have the resources under her own contracts as her own staff, and not as secondments. > ? Secondments don?t legally belong to the foundation. > ? If the foundation has resources to ?implement the action?, it can complement those resources with the use of article 14 (ARTICLE 14 ? IMPLEMENTATION OF ACTION TASKS BY LINKED THIRD PARTIES) > ? As stated within article 14, Entities performing a substantial part of the work (i.e. action tasks) should in principle be beneficiaries, NOT linked third parties. Linked third parties should only exceptionally perform a major part of the R&I work. > o Meaning that linked third parties can?t do any major or substantial part of the action task. > > ? Option B: > > o An employee from any of the core members, pauses his contracts during his leave to the Foundation. > o The foundation signs a new contract with this employee during the projects duration and his location can be either: > ? In Germany > ? In his home country (teleworking): This option needs to be reviews with legal and tax experts due to the german labor law > o This employee later returns to his former company and ?re-starts? his contract. > ? This ?leave of absence? concept must also be reviewed on a per country basis. > ? In Spain, the contract of ?leave of absence? does not force Telefonica to re-hire the employee, it only states that IF there is a vacancy, Telefonica will take into consideration the employee, its resume, etc. > > Do we all understand the same situation regarding article 8 of the H2020 contract? > > If not, please explain how you interpret it, so we can either review with the Telefonica teams or identify the best possible scenario to hire employees for the foundations > > Best regards and many thanks to all > Pablo Osers > > > > Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener informaci?n privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilizaci?n, divulgaci?n y/o copia sin autorizaci?n puede estar prohibida en virtud de la legislaci?n vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma v?a y proceda a su destrucci?n. > > The information contained in this transmission is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, do not read it. Please immediately reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error and then delete it. > > Esta mensagem e seus anexos se dirigem exclusivamente ao seu destinat?rio, pode conter informa??o privilegiada ou confidencial e ? para uso exclusivo da pessoa ou entidade de destino. 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Se n?o ? vossa senhoria o destinat?rio indicado, fica notificado de que a leitura, utiliza??o, divulga??o e/ou c?pia sem autoriza??o pode estar proibida em virtude da legisla??o vigente. Se recebeu esta mensagem por erro, rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique imediatamente por esta mesma via e proceda a sua destrui??o > > > Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener informaci?n privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilizaci?n, divulgaci?n y/o copia sin autorizaci?n puede estar prohibida en virtud de la legislaci?n vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma v?a y proceda a su destrucci?n. > > The information contained in this transmission is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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URL: From pablo.osers at telefonica.com Tue Jul 12 17:46:17 2016 From: pablo.osers at telefonica.com (PABLO OSERS) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:46:17 +0000 Subject: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status In-Reply-To: <79525A16-DEFD-4557-B027-3B30CD05338B@eng.it> References: <1A6085451D09EB42A9F774D6BBB90470013F3708@DEFTHW99EZ1MSX.ww931.my-it-solutions.net> <79525A16-DEFD-4557-B027-3B30CD05338B@eng.it> Message-ID: Dario, Many thanks for your reply and information. Could you send us, of course confidentially, the agreement, so we can review it with our HR? PS: you can remove any names to companies, projects, etc from them Br Pablo From: Dario Avallone [mailto:dario.avallone at eng.it] Sent: martes, 12 de julio de 2016 14:41 To: PABLO OSERS Cc: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status dear Pablo, all I am still waiting a formal feedback from our consultant and I hope to get a formal feedback by friday. At present, anyway, I have informally discussed the issue with a couple of HoU in the Commission and, based on their experience, they do not see any problem to expose seconded staff mainly/only from the FF. I have also spoken with the CEO of an other Association that expose in H2020 projects staff seconded by some industrial members also participating to the the projects. Should you be interested, I could provide (with the prey to keep it confidential) the collaboration model regulating the secondment of a person from an industrial member to the association. The related costs have been exposed by the assiociation and approved even after an Audit on the related project. I will come back on this as soon as I have additional feedback. dario Il giorno 11/lug/2016, alle ore 17:38, PABLO OSERS > ha scritto: Hi all, I'm writing just to know if we have some answers from the LEGAL depts. regarding the secondments issue? Hope to hear from you soon Br Pablo From: fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org] On Behalf Of PABLO OSERS Sent: martes, 28 de junio de 2016 10:52 To: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Dear Orazio, Perfect and many thanks. That's the idea, so we can have all legal depts. to review the contract and reach a common understanding, so we can decide how to start the process for the foundation Br Pablo From: orazio viele [mailto:viele at eng.it] Sent: martes, 28 de junio de 2016 10:29 To: PABLO OSERS > Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Dear Pablo, I'm not an expert in legal questions, but reading your message I have some doubts. Starting from your interpretation of Article 8 of H2020 Framework Contract you deduce that it can't use the secondment. If this deduction is right all H2020 projects can't use the secondment, it seems to me a strong constraint (but repeat I'm not an expert). We asked a legal opinion to the company that certifies our cost statements of H2020 projects. We will send you the answer as soon as we receive it. Regards Orazio Orazio Viele Direttore Generale Direzione Generale Tecnica, Innovazione e Ricerca orazio.viele at eng.it Engineering Ingegneria Informatica spa Via San Martino della Battaglia, 56 - 00185 Roma Tel. +39-06.49201393 Mob. +39-335.5751468 Amministratore Unico Engiweb Security S.r.L. www.eng.it Il 28/06/2016 09:25, PABLO OSERS ha scritto: Hi all, Any more comments regarding my mail? Br Pablo From: Garcia Medina, Alicia [mailto:alicia.garcia at atos.net] Sent: domingo, 26 de junio de 2016 22:16 To: PABLO OSERS Subject: RE: [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Hi Pablo, Linked third party I understand is only if there is a legal link between for instance de FF and a member. I suppose it would be simply third party but I suppose that is not desired by EC. Is there a way we check directly with the EC? Do we already know who would be the PO? Thank you Alicia. Alicia Garc?a Medina Head of Atos Research & Innovation Phone: +34 91 214 88 00 Fax: +34 91 754 32 52 alicia.garcia at atos.net Albarrac?n ,25 28037 - Madrid (Spain) www.atos.net Feel free to download our BOOKLET From: fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org] On Behalf Of PABLO OSERS Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 6:53 PM To: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org Subject: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Hi all, good afternoon!!! First of all, let me clarify the concept, so we can all be on the same page. Secondment: * a temporary transfer of an employee from Company A (hired by Company A), to work for Company B * No new contracts are signed between the employee and Company B * The max duration of the temporary transfer is 1 year * The salary and social security are covered by company A * Company B covers all the costs and pay them to company A as a service contract signed between them If we review Article number 8 of the document attached (H2020 contract): ARTICLE 8 - RESOURCES TO IMPLEMENT THE ACTION, The beneficiaries must have the appropriate resources to implement the action. * We can understand that the Foundation must have the resources under her own contracts as her own staff, and not as secondments. * Secondments don't legally belong to the foundation. * If the foundation has resources to "implement the action", it can complement those resources with the use of article 14 (ARTICLE 14 - IMPLEMENTATION OF ACTION TASKS BY LINKED THIRD PARTIES) * As stated within article 14, Entities performing a substantial part of the work (i.e. action tasks) should in principle be beneficiaries, NOT linked third parties. Linked third parties should only exceptionally perform a major part of the R&I work. o Meaning that linked third parties can't do any major or substantial part of the action task. * Option B: o An employee from any of the core members, pauses his contracts during his leave to the Foundation. o The foundation signs a new contract with this employee during the projects duration and his location can be either: * In Germany * In his home country (teleworking): This option needs to be reviews with legal and tax experts due to the german labor law o This employee later returns to his former company and "re-starts" his contract. * This "leave of absence" concept must also be reviewed on a per country basis. * In Spain, the contract of "leave of absence" does not force Telefonica to re-hire the employee, it only states that IF there is a vacancy, Telefonica will take into consideration the employee, its resume, etc. Do we all understand the same situation regarding article 8 of the H2020 contract? 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Se n?o ? vossa senhoria o destinat?rio indicado, fica notificado de que a leitura, utiliza??o, divulga??o e/ou c?pia sem autoriza??o pode estar proibida em virtude da legisla??o vigente. Se recebeu esta mensagem por erro, rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique imediatamente por esta mesma via e proceda a sua destrui??o -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alicia.garcia at atos.net Tue Jul 12 18:45:00 2016 From: alicia.garcia at atos.net (Garcia Medina, Alicia) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:45:00 +0000 Subject: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status In-Reply-To: References: <1A6085451D09EB42A9F774D6BBB90470013F3708@DEFTHW99EZ1MSX.ww931.my-it-solutions.net> <79525A16-DEFD-4557-B027-3B30CD05338B@eng.it> Message-ID: <1A6085451D09EB42A9F774D6BBB90470013FD73C@DEFTHW99EZ1MSX.ww931.my-it-solutions.net> Dear all, I have also launched the question to EC people and Atos legal department. Unfortunatelly, no answers yet. BR, Alicia Alicia Garc?a Medina Head of Atos Research & Innovation Phone: +34 91 214 88 00 Fax: +34 91 754 32 52 alicia.garcia at atos.net Albarrac?n ,25 28037 - Madrid (Spain) www.atos.net [cid:image002.jpg at 01D11273.7B7EC6A0] Feel free to download our BOOKLET [ARI Booklet 2015 cover page-lo] From: fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org] On Behalf Of PABLO OSERS Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:46 PM To: Dario Avallone Cc: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Dario, Many thanks for your reply and information. Could you send us, of course confidentially, the agreement, so we can review it with our HR? PS: you can remove any names to companies, projects, etc from them Br Pablo From: Dario Avallone [mailto:dario.avallone at eng.it] Sent: martes, 12 de julio de 2016 14:41 To: PABLO OSERS > Cc: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status dear Pablo, all I am still waiting a formal feedback from our consultant and I hope to get a formal feedback by friday. At present, anyway, I have informally discussed the issue with a couple of HoU in the Commission and, based on their experience, they do not see any problem to expose seconded staff mainly/only from the FF. I have also spoken with the CEO of an other Association that expose in H2020 projects staff seconded by some industrial members also participating to the the projects. Should you be interested, I could provide (with the prey to keep it confidential) the collaboration model regulating the secondment of a person from an industrial member to the association. The related costs have been exposed by the assiociation and approved even after an Audit on the related project. I will come back on this as soon as I have additional feedback. dario Il giorno 11/lug/2016, alle ore 17:38, PABLO OSERS > ha scritto: Hi all, I'm writing just to know if we have some answers from the LEGAL depts. regarding the secondments issue? Hope to hear from you soon Br Pablo From: fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org] On Behalf Of PABLO OSERS Sent: martes, 28 de junio de 2016 10:52 To: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Dear Orazio, Perfect and many thanks. That's the idea, so we can have all legal depts. to review the contract and reach a common understanding, so we can decide how to start the process for the foundation Br Pablo From: orazio viele [mailto:viele at eng.it] Sent: martes, 28 de junio de 2016 10:29 To: PABLO OSERS > Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Dear Pablo, I'm not an expert in legal questions, but reading your message I have some doubts. Starting from your interpretation of Article 8 of H2020 Framework Contract you deduce that it can't use the secondment. If this deduction is right all H2020 projects can't use the secondment, it seems to me a strong constraint (but repeat I'm not an expert). We asked a legal opinion to the company that certifies our cost statements of H2020 projects. We will send you the answer as soon as we receive it. Regards Orazio Orazio Viele Direttore Generale Direzione Generale Tecnica, Innovazione e Ricerca orazio.viele at eng.it Engineering Ingegneria Informatica spa Via San Martino della Battaglia, 56 - 00185 Roma Tel. +39-06.49201393 Mob. +39-335.5751468 Amministratore Unico Engiweb Security S.r.L. www.eng.it Il 28/06/2016 09:25, PABLO OSERS ha scritto: Hi all, Any more comments regarding my mail? Br Pablo From: Garcia Medina, Alicia [mailto:alicia.garcia at atos.net] Sent: domingo, 26 de junio de 2016 22:16 To: PABLO OSERS Subject: RE: [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Hi Pablo, Linked third party I understand is only if there is a legal link between for instance de FF and a member. I suppose it would be simply third party but I suppose that is not desired by EC. Is there a way we check directly with the EC? Do we already know who would be the PO? Thank you Alicia. Alicia Garc?a Medina Head of Atos Research & Innovation Phone: +34 91 214 88 00 Fax: +34 91 754 32 52 alicia.garcia at atos.net Albarrac?n ,25 28037 - Madrid (Spain) www.atos.net Feel free to download our BOOKLET From: fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-foundation-setup-bounces at lists.fiware.org] On Behalf Of PABLO OSERS Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 6:53 PM To: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org Subject: [Fiware-foundation-setup] [FIWARE Foundation] Secondments status Hi all, good afternoon!!! First of all, let me clarify the concept, so we can all be on the same page. Secondment: * a temporary transfer of an employee from Company A (hired by Company A), to work for Company B * No new contracts are signed between the employee and Company B * The max duration of the temporary transfer is 1 year * The salary and social security are covered by company A * Company B covers all the costs and pay them to company A as a service contract signed between them If we review Article number 8 of the document attached (H2020 contract): ARTICLE 8 - RESOURCES TO IMPLEMENT THE ACTION, The beneficiaries must have the appropriate resources to implement the action. * We can understand that the Foundation must have the resources under her own contracts as her own staff, and not as secondments. * Secondments don't legally belong to the foundation. * If the foundation has resources to "implement the action", it can complement those resources with the use of article 14 (ARTICLE 14 - IMPLEMENTATION OF ACTION TASKS BY LINKED THIRD PARTIES) * As stated within article 14, Entities performing a substantial part of the work (i.e. action tasks) should in principle be beneficiaries, NOT linked third parties. Linked third parties should only exceptionally perform a major part of the R&I work. o Meaning that linked third parties can't do any major or substantial part of the action task. * Option B: o An employee from any of the core members, pauses his contracts during his leave to the Foundation. o The foundation signs a new contract with this employee during the projects duration and his location can be either: * In Germany * In his home country (teleworking): This option needs to be reviews with legal and tax experts due to the german labor law o This employee later returns to his former company and "re-starts" his contract. * This "leave of absence" concept must also be reviewed on a per country basis. * In Spain, the contract of "leave of absence" does not force Telefonica to re-hire the employee, it only states that IF there is a vacancy, Telefonica will take into consideration the employee, its resume, etc. Do we all understand the same situation regarding article 8 of the H2020 contract? 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Under terms of the grant agreement only costs can be declared for reimbursement which have been actually incurred. To this effect the company has to invoice the association, the association has to record the costs in the books and reimburse the costs to the company. ? The fees charged by Atos must be at actual terms, i.e. free of profit and indirect costs ? It must be possible to assimilate the working arrangements to an employment situation. Therefore the conditions in place for in-house consultants should be met, i.e. work takes place under the supervision of the association and at the premises of the association, the remuneration must be in line with the salaries paid by the organisation to non-seconded staff. As understood by Engineering: I am still waiting a formal feedback from our consultant and I hope to get a formal feedback by friday. At present, anyway, I have informally discussed the issue with a couple of HoU in the Commission and, based on their experience, they do not see any problem to expose seconded staff mainly/only from the FF. I have also spoken with the CEO of an other Association that expose in H2020 projects staff seconded by some industrial members also participating to the the projects. Should you be interested, I could provide (with the prey to keep it confidential) the collaboration model regulating the secondment of a person from an industrial member to the association. The related costs have been exposed by the assiociation and approved even after an Audit on the related project. As understood by Telefonica: Secondments can be used, although the project can't be financed if the core activities are done with 100% secondment staff. Can we clarify that the funds can be received if 100% of the staff is seconded, because under the latest scenarios, there would not be internal staff dedicated to the projects, the 3 main roles would be seconded be each of the members? Br Pablo ________________________________ Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener informaci?n privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilizaci?n, divulgaci?n y/o copia sin autorizaci?n puede estar prohibida en virtud de la legislaci?n vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma v?a y proceda a su destrucci?n. The information contained in this transmission is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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URL: From avallone at eng.it Tue Jul 19 19:47:47 2016 From: avallone at eng.it (Dario Avallone) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:47:47 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-foundation-setup] Secondments - questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8770BB75-F060-4D9D-8C56-071BCFA723FB@eng.it> Dear all, The answer i got from our consultant seems to exclude the possibility to use secondment. In particular, this conclusion is related to the fact that staff seconded to the FF from a company that also sign the GA cannot be charged to the project. This conclusion is based on the following: Article 6: Eligible and ineligible cost; 6.2: Specific Conditions for costs to be eligible; A. Direct Personnel cost 1.3: Direct personnel costs: Cost for personnel seconded by a third party against payment 1.3.1 What? This budget category covers the costs of persons that worked on the action and that were seconded by a third party as an in-kind contribution against payment (see article 11.1) The definition of Third party is reported Annotated Model Grant Agreement article 11, point 1 "In-kind contribution against payment" : A third party can be any legal entity that has not signed the Grant Agreement. With this respect, please find attached the documents sent by the consultant. Regards Dario Inviato da iPhone > Il giorno 18 lug 2016, alle ore 13:15, PABLO OSERS ha scritto: > > Hi all, > > We?ve received several comments regarding the Secondments issues: > > As understood by ATOS: > I have just got confirmation from EC that secondement is possible under the following conditions: > > ? The secondment needs to be formalised in a secondment agreement which details the arrangements (tasks, supervision, location, costs) > ? Under terms of the grant agreement only costs can be declared for reimbursement which have been actually incurred. To this effect the company has to invoice the association, the association has to record the costs in the books and reimburse the costs to the company. > ? The fees charged by Atos must be at actual terms, i.e. free of profit and indirect costs > ? It must be possible to assimilate the working arrangements to an employment situation. Therefore the conditions in place for in-house consultants should be met, i.e. work takes place under the supervision of the association and at the premises of the association, the remuneration must be in line with the salaries paid by the organisation to non-seconded staff. > > As understood by Engineering: > > I am still waiting a formal feedback from our consultant and I hope to get a formal feedback by friday. At present, anyway, I have informally discussed the issue with a couple of HoU in the Commission and, based on their experience, they do not see any problem to expose seconded staff mainly/only from the FF. I have also spoken with the CEO of an other Association that expose in H2020 projects staff seconded by some industrial members also participating to the the projects. Should you be interested, I could provide (with the prey to keep it confidential) the collaboration model regulating the secondment of a person from an industrial member to the association. The related costs have been exposed by the assiociation and approved even after an Audit on the related project. > > As understood by Telefonica: > Secondments can be used, although the project can?t be financed if the core activities are done with 100% secondment staff. > > Can we clarify that the funds can be received if 100% of the staff is seconded, because under the latest scenarios, there would not be internal staff dedicated to the projects, the 3 main roles would be seconded be each of the members? > > Br > Pablo > > > > Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener informaci?n privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilizaci?n, divulgaci?n y/o copia sin autorizaci?n puede estar prohibida en virtud de la legislaci?n vigente. 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When can we have a call/meeting to review this? Br Pablo From: Dario Avallone [mailto:avallone at eng.it] Sent: martes, 19 de julio de 2016 19:48 To: PABLO OSERS Cc: fiware-foundation-setup at lists.fiware.org; Garcia Medina, Alicia ; JOSE LUIS PE?A SEDANO Subject: Re: [Fiware-foundation-setup] Secondments - questions Dear all, The answer i got from our consultant seems to exclude the possibility to use secondment. In particular, this conclusion is related to the fact that staff seconded to the FF from a company that also sign the GA cannot be charged to the project. This conclusion is based on the following: Article 6: Eligible and ineligible cost; 6.2: Specific Conditions for costs to be eligible; A. Direct Personnel cost 1.3: Direct personnel costs: Cost for personnel seconded by a third party against payment 1.3.1 What? This budget category covers the costs of persons that worked on the action and that were seconded by a third party as an in-kind contribution against payment (see article 11.1) The definition of Third party is reported Annotated Model Grant Agreement article 11, point 1 "In-kind contribution against payment" : A third party can be any legal entity that has not signed the Grant Agreement. With this respect, please find attached the documents sent by the consultant. Regards Dario ________________________________ Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener informaci?n privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilizaci?n, divulgaci?n y/o copia sin autorizaci?n puede estar prohibida en virtud de la legislaci?n vigente. 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