Hi, OK. I'd like to get following ports open if possible: 61616 : UDP 44446 : TCP Server address is 130.206.80.182 Best regards, Sami On 08.04.2014 22:56, José Ignacio Carretero Guarde wrote: > You can simply test - That's something a little bit "undefined in > behaviour" in the version of Openstack we are using. That won't be a > problem in future versions. > > I don't think that adding a new security group would work, but adding > new ports to your security group is likely to work -- Just test and tell > me how it is going and maybe I can do something. > > BR, > José Ignacio. > > El 07/04/14 10:27, Sami escribió: >> Hi José. >> and thank you for the very good support you've personally provided. >> >> Now that our VM is successfully running, we are planning to install >> new services there which would require new open ports. I'd like to >> verify if it is enough to specify needed ports as open in FI-WARE's >> testbed's security groups, or is the previous problem in the firewall >> still active and you need to manually open ports for us? >> >> Thanks, >> Sami >> >> >> On 01.04.2014 16:28, José Ignacio Carretero Guarde wrote: >>> I don't think so... I think I've detected a problem with one firewall >>> which I'll try to solve the sooner I can. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> José Ignacio. >>> >>> El 01/04/14 14:28, Sami escribió: >>>> Thanks José, >>>> now port 8080 is accessible. May I ask was the problem in my >>>> configurations? and can I freely change that port to something else or >>>> do I now need to stick with that port? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Sami >>>> >>>> On 01.04.2014 13:37, José Ignacio Carretero Guarde wrote: >>>>> You should be able to access now to your 8080 port -- >>>>> >>>>> BR, >>>>> José Ignacio. >>>>> El 31/03/14 09:34, Sami escribió: >>>>>> Hi José, >>>>>> thanks, ssh connection works again and I'm able to launch jetty >>>>>> server. Still I'm not able to access jetty server with web browser. >>>>>> >>>>>> VM IP is 130.206.80.182. When I connect to VM with SSH and do >>>>>> following in VM's terminal I get jetty server response correctly. >>>>>> "telnet 130.206.80.182 8080" >>>>>> "get /geoserver/web/" >>>>>> >>>>>> However when I type to web browser >>>>>> "http://130.206.80.182:8080/geoserver" I get only connection >>>>>> timeout. >>>>>> I wonder if there is still some wrong definition or missing security >>>>>> definition in VM..? Are you able to open >>>>>> http://130.206.80.182:8080/geoserver url succesfully? Jetty >>>>>> server is >>>>>> currently running >>>>>> >>>>>> I tried also snapshot creation, creation starts but I can't see >>>>>> created snapshot anywhere. When snapshot creation is started i see >>>>>> snaphost name in the "snapshots" -section, but in some stage it >>>>>> disappears from there..? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Sami >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27.03.2014 17:33, José Ignacio Carretero Guarde wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, I think your VM should be running again, and I home you can do >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> snapshot now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BR, >>>>>>> José Ignacio. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El 27/03/14 11:48, Sami escribió: >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> and sorry to bother you again but my problems still are active :( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yesterday (wednesday) I suddenly wasn't able to anymore access to >>>>>>>> testbed via ssh connection, though it did work on tuesday. Server >>>>>>>> which I'm trying to connect seems to be there, at least based on >>>>>>>> testbed UI info, but it just gives this message when I try SSH: >>>>>>>> "ssh: >>>>>>>> connect to host 130.206.80.182 port 22: No route to host" >>>>>>>> I noticed that Instance powerstate is PAUSED, does this somehow >>>>>>>> affect >>>>>>>> that I'm not able to access server with ssh? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regarding previous problem not able to connect running web >>>>>>>> server in >>>>>>>> VM. I confirmed that our company firewall doesn't restrict anyhow >>>>>>>> outgoing ports, so problem is caused by some other reason. But for >>>>>>>> some reason Josê was able to connect there. I'd appreciate help in >>>>>>>> this matter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Last problem is that I'm not able to create snapshot of the >>>>>>>> created >>>>>>>> VM. I really want to create that after I have created and >>>>>>>> configured >>>>>>>> server correctly so that I'm able to use snapshot if new similar >>>>>>>> server needs to be created. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for the support you've already provided! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Sami >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 25.03.2014 10:45, José Ignacio Carretero Guarde wrote: >>>>>>>>> Yes, the point of using the mobile phone is "being out" of my >>>>>>>>> company's >>>>>>>>> network. The IP and the network where the mobile phone is >>>>>>>>> connected is >>>>>>>>> an unprivileged network, so the packets sent by this IP are not >>>>>>>>> privileged, they are unknown to the testbed, they are not >>>>>>>>> firewalled by >>>>>>>>> my company's firewall... But if I used the wifi in my company, >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> tests >>>>>>>>> would be as biased as the test in my computer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's what I mean when I say: "From my mobile phone" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ask your network administrator if these acceses are firewalled. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>> José Ignacio. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> El 25/03/14 09:38, Sami escribió: >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> this is really weird. I'm not getting any response with my >>>>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>>>> nor my own mobile phone. I tried telnet with my computer >>>>>>>>>> similarly as >>>>>>>>>> you did, but I get connection timout. >>>>>>>>>> My personal mobile phone is in 4G network and it is not anyhow >>>>>>>>>> connected to our company network. But I'm not able to access to >>>>>>>>>> jetty >>>>>>>>>> server either with it. I tried accessing web servier via phone's >>>>>>>>>> web >>>>>>>>>> browser and also using separate telnet app, no luck. How on >>>>>>>>>> earth >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> connection to server works, this is bizarre.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> Sami >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 25.03.2014 10:22, José Ignacio Carretero Guarde wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can access without problems --- Even from my mobile >>>>>>>>>>> phone I >>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>> a 404 :) -- This means the server is listening and the port is >>>>>>>>>>> allowed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One common problem is the Company disallowing ports >>>>>>>>>>> different to >>>>>>>>>>> 80, 443 >>>>>>>>>>> and sometimes 22: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> José Ignacio. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Look at this.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> jicg at corporario:~$ telnet 130.206.80.182 8008 >>>>>>>>>>> Trying 130.206.80.182... >>>>>>>>>>> Connected to 130.206.80.182. >>>>>>>>>>> Escape character is '^]'. >>>>>>>>>>> GET / >>>>>>>>>>> <HTML> >>>>>>>>>>> <HEAD> >>>>>>>>>>> <TITLE>Error 404 - Not Found</TITLE> >>>>>>>>>>> <BODY> >>>>>>>>>>> <H2>Error 404 - Not Found.</H2> >>>>>>>>>>> No context on this server matched or handled this >>>>>>>>>>> request.<BR>Contexts >>>>>>>>>>> known to this server are: <ul><li><a >>>>>>>>>>> href="/geoserver">/geoserver ---> org.mortbay.jetty.plugin.Jetty6PluginWebAppContext at 7038dd52{/geoserver,/git/geoserver/src/web/app/src/main/webapp}</a></li> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <!-- Padding for IE --> >>>>>>>>>>> <!-- Padding for IE --> >>>>>>>>>>> <!-- Padding for IE --> >>>>>>>>>>> <!-- Padding for IE --> >>>>>>>>>>> <!-- Padding for IE --> >>>>>>>>>>> <!-- Padding for IE --> >>>>>>>>>>> <!-- Padding for IE --> >>>>>>>>>>> <!-- Padding for IE --> >>>>>>>>>>> <!-- Padding for IE --> >>>>>>>>>>> <!-- Padding for IE --> >>>>>>>>>>> </BODY> >>>>>>>>>>> </HTML> >>>>>>>>>>> Connection closed by foreign host. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> El 25/03/14 09:16, Sami escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Jóse and thank you for the support which you have >>>>>>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>>>> provided. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm still facing problems when I setup VM software. Perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>> problem is >>>>>>>>>>>> just caused by wrong server configuration. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What I have done is that I start jetty server in VM, i've >>>>>>>>>>>> tried >>>>>>>>>>>> multiple different ports but no luck when trying to access to >>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> outside. As you explained below ports from 1 to 8080 are open >>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>> think that therefore there should be some response when >>>>>>>>>>>> jetty is >>>>>>>>>>>> running specific port. I tried ports 8080 and 8008 with Jetty >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> should be open and accessible, but still accessing doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>>>>>> Are >>>>>>>>>>>> you able to point out if there is some clear problem in my >>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>> settings? VM is running at 130.206.80.182, jetty server >>>>>>>>>>>> currently at >>>>>>>>>>>> 130.206.80.182:8008 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I also tried to do snapshot if the created VM but I can't see >>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot >>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere. Should I have more discspace for storing snapshost >>>>>>>>>>>> or is >>>>>>>>>>>> there some trick which I should know in order to succesfully >>>>>>>>>>>> create VM >>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Sami >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 24.03.2014 13:15, José Ignacio Carretero Guarde wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I must assume that the web portal messages mislead the >>>>>>>>>>>>> users. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>> report this to developers to see if they can change the >>>>>>>>>>>>> message. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The explanation is: What you need is a public IP in order >>>>>>>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>>>>>>> your VM >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the internet, but this instance of Openstack is >>>>>>>>>>>>> configurated do >>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically deliver a public IP, which means that your VMs >>>>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>>>> accesible from the internet. -- Anyway, this will change in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> future >>>>>>>>>>>>> and you'll need to assign a floating IP. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if there was any connectivity issue with your >>>>>>>>>>>>> VMs, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> look into the testbed last weekend :), and I only tested >>>>>>>>>>>>> today, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> change anything. Anyway, I'm glad you can finally access >>>>>>>>>>>>> the VM. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> José Ignacio. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> El 24/03/14 11:53, Sami escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jóse, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and thanks for the clarification, you explained PING issue >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why SSH connection works now, after I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> received >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> email I tried it also again and it really worked! This is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mystery to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, I have not changed anything from anywhere, but for some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSH >>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection is now successfully established compared to last >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saturday >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when it always failed. Could it be so that I tried last >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saturday >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too early after MV was created, so that server was actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> initiation process and it wasn't completely started.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that connection works now and I'm able to proceed with VM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regarding 2 public IP. When I create new VM, testbed gives >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> information to me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> " >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To access the instance: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to include a security group with port 22 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opened to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>>>>>>>> via SSH. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to assign a floating IP to access from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> external >>>>>>>>>>>>>> network. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> " >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understood "You need to assign a floating IP to access >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> external network." -sentence so that I need to assign >>>>>>>>>>>>>> floating IP >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Security section if I want to access to server instance at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I'm accessing from external network to server >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on your comment I have now removed floating IP from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and SSH connection seems to work, so floating IP wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sami >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24.03.2014 11:43, José Ignacio Carretero Guarde wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sami, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About problem 1, I've removed the xlarge flavor. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have been there. Sorry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About your 2nd problem I can't understand where's the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've opened the ssh connection for your VM and it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is: Why do you need two public IPs for you VM? I've sshd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 130.206.80.182 without problem (from my mobile-phone's 3G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Connection, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from any privileged network). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to comment that "sending ping to instance" is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your security groups --- So it means it is working well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security groups: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp 0.0.0.0/0 1 8080 -- TCP from port 1 to port 8080 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ports 22, 80 , 23, 3306, 5432, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp 0.0.0.0/0 1 22 -- TCP from port 1 to port 22. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tcp 0.0.0.0/0 23 80 -- TCP from port 23 to port 80 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> udp 0.0.0.0/0 1 22 -- UDP from port 1 to port 22 (No >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NTP, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other interesting services) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see, there are no ICMP rules at all, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PING at all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope my explanation could help you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> José Ignacio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El 22/03/14 11:11, Sami escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi José, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to launch new instance and I've faced some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st problem which I noticed that always when I select >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "m1.xlarge" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flavor, status in the created instance will be "ERROR". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create instance with "m1.large" flavor, instance is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't select m1.xlarge as a flavor? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd problem is that even thoug testbed Instance GUI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance is succesfully build and it is on running state, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to access to that instance anyhow. I've defined >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and key as guidance says, still connecting with SSH fails. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sending ping to instance doesn't respond anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due second problem my task to create new VM is halt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> br, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sami >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Puede >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consultar nuestra política de envío y recepción de correo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electrónico >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> en el enlace situado más abajo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. 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