[Fiware-lab-help] Fwd: R: R: Re: [FINESCE WP4] Problems faced by external partners in connecting to a VM in FI-LAB

Massimiliano Nigrelli massimiliano.nigrelli at eng.it
Mon Nov 3 10:19:22 CET 2014


Dear Jose,
any news regarding the issue we reported on Friday?

What about a "joint" session where our external partners try to connect 
to 130.206.85.6 so to let you see if they are able to "reach" the cloud 
at least?

Regards,

Massimiliano

Il 31/10/2014 17:39, Massimiliano Nigrelli ha scritto:
> Dear Jose,
> please find the tcptraceroute at the bottom of the email.
>
> There is even the NAT table thay apply on their FW.
>
> The "public" ip from which their calls are originated is:
> 129.192.96.203
>
> May you try to help us in sorting the issue out?
> They keep on saying thay cannot reach 130.206.85.6
>
> Might we organize a sort of "joint" session where you sniff the 
> incoming traffic on 130.206.85.6 (originated by 129.192.96.203)?
>
> We are stuck!
>
> Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Massimiliano
>
> -------- Messaggio Inoltrato --------
> Oggetto: 	R: R: Re: [FINESCE WP4] Problems faced by external partners 
> in connecting to a VM in FI-LAB
> Data: 	Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:29:21 +0000
> Mittente: 	MASSIMILIANO LILI <massimiliano.lili at ericsson.com>
> A: 	Massimiliano Nigrelli <massimiliano.nigrelli at eng.it>
> CC: 	Daniele Piferi <daniele.piferi at ericsson.com>, 
> Pasquale.Andriani at eng.it <Pasquale.Andriani at eng.it>, Leandro Lombardo 
> <Leandro.Lombardo at eng.it>, dar >> Pellegrino Dario 
> <Dario.Pellegrino at eng.it>
>
>
>
> Ciao Massimiliano
>
> I pacchetti di rete escono, ecco il traceroute :
>
> traceroute to 130.206.85.6 (130.206.85.6), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
>
> 1  172.30.5.17 (172.30.5.17)  0.285 ms  0.216 ms  0.248 ms
>
> 2  172.30.1.97 (172.30.1.97)  0.680 ms  0.837 ms  0.991 ms
>
> 3 129.192.96.3 (129.192.96.3)  2.845 ms  2.909 ms  2.866 ms
>
> 4  89.97.247.13 (89.97.247.13)  2.996 ms 3.080 ms  3.040 ms
>
> 5  93.61.0.1 (93.61.0.1)  3.140 ms  3.209 ms 3.167 ms
>
> 6  * * *
>
> 7  * * *
>
> 8  * * *
>
> 9  * * *
>
> 10  89.97.200.186 (89.97.200.186)  3.701 ms 89.97.200.190 
> (89.97.200.190)  3.780 ms  3.763 ms
>
> 11  89.97.200.254 (89.97.200.254)  13.208 ms 89.96.200.1 
> (89.96.200.1)  14.078 ms 89.97.200.254 (89.97.200.254)  11.383 ms
>
> 12  62.101.124.65 (62.101.124.65)  11.200 ms 89.96.200.126 
> (89.96.200.126)  11.306 ms 89.96.200.26 (89.96.200.26)  12.241 ms
>
> 13  * * *
>
> 14  129.250.4.169 (129.250.4.169)  58.174 ms 57.429 ms  58.155 ms
>
> 15  129.250.2.146 (129.250.2.146)  27.566 ms 28.446 ms  28.176 ms
>
> 16  129.250.2.235 (129.250.2.235)  61.781 ms 58.101 ms  58.042 ms
>
> 17  129.250.2.42 (129.250.2.42)  59.603 ms 55.311 ms  59.042 ms
>
> 18  129.250.4.104 (129.250.4.104)  57.114 ms 61.773 ms  61.940 ms
>
> 19  193.149.1.26 (193.149.1.26)  65.362 ms 66.078 ms  71.563 ms
>
> 20  130.206.245.46 (130.206.245.46)  68.211 ms  66.253 ms  65.467 ms
>
> 21  130.206.192.158 (130.206.192.158)  67.450 ms  61.682 ms  61.462 ms
>
> 22  130.206.85.6 (130.206.85.6)  74.730 ms 74.831 ms  75.393 ms
>
> 23 * * *
>
> 24 * * *
>
> 25 * * *
>
> 26 * * *
>
> 27 * * *
>
> 28 * * *
>
> 29 * * *
>
> 30 * * *
>
> Ed il NAT che facciamo verso di voi :
>
> 014-10-31 17:22:12
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:34482
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:80
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51818
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:80
>
> 	
>
> HTTP
>
> 	
>
> 24 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 262
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:21:28
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:44539
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33523
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51817
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33523
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33523
>
> 	
>
> 64 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:21:28
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:45044
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33522
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51816
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33522
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33522
>
> 	
>
> 64 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:21:28
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:40417
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33521
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51815
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33521
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33521
>
> 	
>
> 64 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:19:18
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:32910
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51814
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> HTTPS
>
> 	
>
> 24 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 262
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:19:18
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:32909
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51813
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> HTTPS
>
> 	
>
> 24 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 262
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:19:16
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:32908
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51812
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> HTTPS
>
> 	
>
> 22 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 262
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:19:16
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:32906
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51810
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> HTTPS
>
> 	
>
> 23 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 262
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:19:16
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:32907
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51811
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> HTTPS
>
> 	
>
> 23 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 262
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:19:16
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:32903
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51808
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> HTTPS
>
> 	
>
> 24 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 262
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:19:16
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:32904
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51809
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> HTTPS
>
> 	
>
> 24 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 262
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:19:14
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:32902
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51807
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:443
>
> 	
>
> HTTPS
>
> 	
>
> 22 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 262
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:18:34
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:36034
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33513
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51799
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33513
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33513
>
> 	
>
> 65 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:18:34
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:46684
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33512
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51798
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33512
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33512
>
> 	
>
> 65 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:18:34
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:43916
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33519
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51805
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33519
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33519
>
> 	
>
> 65 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:18:34
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:48269
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33518
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51804
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33518
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33518
>
> 	
>
> 65 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:18:34
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:35146
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33517
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51803
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33517
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33517
>
> 	
>
> 65 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:18:34
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:37619
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33516
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51802
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33516
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33516
>
> 	
>
> 65 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:18:34
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:47742
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33515
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51801
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33515
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33515
>
> 	
>
> 65 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> 2014-10-31 17:18:34
>
> 	
>
> 172.30.5.18:49698
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33514
>
> 	
>
> 129.192.96.203:51800
>
> 	
>
> 130.206.85.6:33514
>
> 	
>
> UDP PORT 33514
>
> 	
>
> 65 sec.
>
> 	
>
> 142
>
> 	
>
> 0
>
> 	
>
> Close - AGE OUT
>
> QUESTO è il nostro indirizzo Pubblico : 129.192.96.203
>
> dovreste verificare sulla vostra rete come vengono processate queste 
> richieste.
>
> Grazie
>
> M.
>
> *Da:*Massimiliano Nigrelli [mailto:massimiliano.nigrelli at eng.it]
> *Inviato:* venerdì 31 ottobre 2014 16:48
> *A:* MASSIMILIANO LILI
> *Cc:* Daniele Piferi; Pasquale.Andriani at eng.it; Leandro Lombardo; dar 
> >> Pellegrino Dario
> *Oggetto:* Re: R: Re: [FINESCE WP4] Problems faced by external 
> partners in connecting to a VM in FI-LAB
>
> Ciao Massimiliano,
> il mio numero di telefono +39 091.75.11.847.
> Disponbile per una telefonata (anche se non sono un sistemista!) fino 
> alle 17:15.
>
> In ogni caso questa non è una trace route. Questo è il log del Juniper 
> (un firewall).
> Nella trace route ci sono i vari HOPS, punti di passaggio che i 
> pacchetti attraversano nel raggiunger l'host di destinazione.
>
> Saluti,
>
> M.
>
> Il 31/10/2014 16:29, MASSIMILIANO LILI ha scritto:
>
>     Ciao Massimiliano,
>
>     già mandato ieri (se mi dai il tuo telefono ti faccio chiamare dal
>     sistemista):
>
>     2014-10-30 16:00:32
>
>     	
>
>     172.30.5.18:43419
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     129.192.96.203:48484
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     HTTPS
>
>     	
>
>     24 sec.
>
>     	
>
>     262
>
>     	
>
>     0
>
>     	
>
>     Close - AGE OUT
>
>     2014-10-30 16:00:32
>
>     	
>
>     172.30.5.18:43424
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     129.192.96.203:48485
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     HTTPS
>
>     	
>
>     23 sec.
>
>     	
>
>     262
>
>     	
>
>     0
>
>     	
>
>     Close - AGE OUT
>
>     2014-10-30 16:00:30
>
>     	
>
>     172.30.5.18:43416
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     129.192.96.203:48483
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     HTTPS
>
>     	
>
>     23 sec.
>
>     	
>
>     262
>
>     	
>
>     0
>
>     	
>
>     Close - AGE OUT
>
>     2014-10-30 16:00:24
>
>     	
>
>     172.30.5.18:43412
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     129.192.96.203:48482
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     HTTPS
>
>     	
>
>     24 sec.
>
>     	
>
>     262
>
>     	
>
>     0
>
>     	
>
>     Close - AGE OUT
>
>     2014-10-30 16:00:18
>
>     	
>
>     172.30.5.18:43405
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     129.192.96.203:48479
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     HTTPS
>
>     	
>
>     24 sec.
>
>     	
>
>     262
>
>     	
>
>     0
>
>     	
>
>     Close - AGE OUT
>
>     2014-10-30 16:00:18
>
>     	
>
>     172.30.5.18:43404
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     129.192.96.203:48478
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     HTTPS
>
>     	
>
>     25 sec.
>
>     	
>
>     262
>
>     	
>
>     0
>
>     	
>
>     Close - AGE OUT
>
>     2014-10-30 16:00:18
>
>     	
>
>     172.30.5.18:43408
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     129.192.96.203:48481
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     HTTPS
>
>     	
>
>     23 sec.
>
>     	
>
>     262
>
>     	
>
>     0
>
>     	
>
>     Close - AGE OUT
>
>     2014-10-30 16:00:18
>
>     	
>
>     172.30.5.18:43407
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     129.192.96.203:48480
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     HTTPS
>
>     	
>
>     24 sec.
>
>     	
>
>     262
>
>     	
>
>     0
>
>     	
>
>     Close - AGE OUT
>
>     2014-10-30 16:00:12
>
>     	
>
>     172.30.5.18:43401
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     129.192.96.203:48477
>
>     	
>
>     130.206.85.6:443
>
>     	
>
>     HTTPS
>
>     	
>
>     24 sec.
>
>     	
>
>     262
>
>     	
>
>     0
>
>     	
>
>     Close - AGE OUT
>
>     Visto che per mandare le richieste utilizziamo un vostro client
>     “metering-input-client-0.0.9.jar”
>
>     Ci servirebbe che generasse il LOG, per esempio per vedere quanto
>     tempo di timeout aspetta per ricevere la risposta ed eventuali
>     altre cose.
>
>     potete abilitare questo sul vostro client e rimandarlo ?
>
>     Grazie
>
>     M.
>
>     *Da:*Massimiliano Nigrelli [mailto:massimiliano.nigrelli at eng.it]
>     *Inviato:* venerdì 31 ottobre 2014 15:41
>     *A:* MASSIMILIANO LILI
>     *Cc:* Daniele Piferi; Pasquale.Andriani at eng.it
>     <mailto:Pasquale.Andriani at eng.it>; Leandro Lombardo; dar >>
>     Pellegrino Dario
>     *Oggetto:* Fwd: Re: [FINESCE WP4] Problems faced by external
>     partners in connecting to a VM in FI-LAB
>
>     Ciao Massimiliano,
>     mi hanno risposto, come puoi vedere in calce.
>
>     Il nostro IP dovrebbe essere raggiungibile da qualsiasi parte del
>     mondo (lui ha provato con un cellulare dal posto in cui si
>     trova...........Spagna?).
>
>     Mi conferma che 130.206.85.6 non è raggiungibile da 172.30.5.18 e
>     suggerisce di fare un tcptraceroute dalla macchina dove gira
>     l'applicativo (quella che non raggiunge 130.206.85.6 per intenderci).
>
>
>     Last, but not least (the 2nd png) I'm aware that you can't access
>
>     130.206.85.6 from your private IP 172.30.5.18. But I don't know what is
>
>     the last step in the route to that host. So I can't reproduce that
>
>     error, may be some tcptraceroute output to that port could be helpful.
>
>     Tu ci hai mandato il tracelog del FW, ma non si vedono i vari
>     punti di passaggio (HOPs).
>     Continuo a pensare che i pacchetti non escono dalla vostra LAN.
>
>     Aspetto di avere il "tcptraceroute" in maniera tale da girarlo a
>     Josè il prima possibile.
>
>     Saluti,
>
>     Massimiliano
>
>     -------- Messaggio Inoltrato --------
>
>     *Oggetto: *
>
>     	
>
>     Re: [FINESCE WP4] Problems faced by external partners in
>     connecting to a VM in FI-LAB
>
>     *Data: *
>
>     	
>
>     Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:29:05 +0000
>
>     *Mittente: *
>
>     	
>
>     JOSE IGNACIO CARRETERO GUARDE
>     <joseignacio.carreteroguarde at telefonica.com>
>     <mailto:joseignacio.carreteroguarde at telefonica.com>
>
>     *A: *
>
>     	
>
>     Massimiliano Nigrelli <massimiliano.nigrelli at eng.it>
>     <mailto:massimiliano.nigrelli at eng.it>,
>     fiware-lab-help at lists.fi-ware.org
>     <mailto:fiware-lab-help at lists.fi-ware.org>
>     <fiware-lab-help at lists.fi-ware.org>
>     <mailto:fiware-lab-help at lists.fi-ware.org>
>
>     *CC: *
>
>     	
>
>     Pasquale.Andriani at eng.it <mailto:Pasquale.Andriani at eng.it>
>     <Pasquale.Andriani at eng.it> <mailto:Pasquale.Andriani at eng.it>,
>     Leandro Lombardo <Leandro.Lombardo at eng.it>
>     <mailto:Leandro.Lombardo at eng.it>, Pellegrino Dario
>     <Dario.Pellegrino at eng.it> <mailto:Dario.Pellegrino at eng.it>
>
>     Dear Massimiliano,
>
>       
>
>     The first .png file is a screenshot I've taken in my phone.... -- My
>
>     phone using its 3G network connection, not Wifi or anything like that.
>
>     This means that the servicer with IP 130.206.85.6 is accessible from
>
>     everywhere.
>
>       
>
>     ---
>
>       
>
>     I've seen in your email some "error messages": CLOSE AGE OUT --- This is
>
>     a Juniper error message. May I ask what do your Juniper experts say
>
>     about this message? Sorry, but I don't know much about that software nor
>
>     the way you are using it to stablish your VPNs.
>
>       
>
>     ---
>
>       
>
>     Last, but not least (the 2nd png) I'm aware that you can't access
>
>     130.206.85.6 from your private IP 172.30.5.18. But I don't know what is
>
>     the last step in the route to that host. So I can't reproduce that
>
>     error, may be some tcptraceroute output to that port could be helpful.
>
>       
>
>     Thank you for forwarding your message to the list, that's the best way
>
>     to contact us.
>
>       
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     José Ignacio.
>
>       
>
>     El 31/10/14 a las #4, Massimiliano Nigrelli escribió:
>
>     > Dear Jose, dear all,
>
>     > I have not received any reply to the email I sent you yesterday.
>
>     >
>
>     > It would be nice to be contacted and advised on what might have caused
>
>     > the issue we described on our last email.
>
>     >
>
>     > In order to help you sorting out the issue, I attach the tracelog
>
>     > captured at the FW level from our external partners.
>
>     >
>
>     > Please, we are really stuck and we have a review in two weeks time.
>
>     >
>
>     > Regards,
>
>     >
>
>     > Massimiliano
>
>       
>
>       
>
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>
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> ===============================================================
>   
> Massimiliano Nigrelli - R&D Lab
>   
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>   
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