Dear Jonas and all, Nothing to add to Kathrin explanation. Further, this clause was widely discussed and finally agreed long time ago. Best regards Luis García García Asesoria Jurídica // Legal Department Tfnos: +34 914832614 // +34913129666 Telefónica Investigación y Desarrollo, S.A.Unipersonal DISTRITO C- Edificio Oeste 1, 5ª planta Ronda de la Comunicación s/n 28050-Madrid (España) [cid:image001.png at 01CC51C4.66649750] De: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] En nombre de Schweppe, Kathrin Enviado el: miércoles, 03 de agosto de 2011 9:56 Para: Heitto, Jonas (Jonas); fabian.perpeet at zv.fraunhofer.de CC: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Asunto: Re: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Speclaudia.manderfeld at zv.fraunhofer.decs Dear Jonas, dear all, I understand your concerns, we had similar concerns and therefore this section was included: For further sake of clarity, Parties including those Parties that assisted in generating the FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications may, but are not obliged to, develop implementations or reference implementations of FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications and request licensing terms other than open and royalty free for such, e.g. under FRAND (Fair, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory) terms subject to the provisions of Article 4.2.3 and 4.2.4 below. The Parties may release their implementations or reference implementations as open source or closed source, at their sole discretion. Then, the Generic Enabler Specification is only a description about technical requirements and the like. Do you see that a patent could be included there? Taking all these things into account, do you think we need further clarification here and if so, can you please propose some wording? Thank you and best regards, Kathrin Kathrin Schweppe, LL.M. 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Prepared by a member of SAP Global Legal. This message and any attachments may contain information that is confidential, private or protected by the attorney-client or other privilege. If you have received this email in error, please delete this message without further copying or distribution and promptly notify me. Thank you for your cooperation. Von: Heitto, Jonas (Jonas) [mailto:jonas.heitto at alcatel-lucent.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. August 2011 18:42 An: Schweppe, Kathrin; fabian.perpeet at zv.fraunhofer.de Cc: claudia.manderfeld at zv.fraunhofer.de; klarissa.al-shorachi at izb.fraunhofer.de; jens.fiedler at fokus.fraunhofer.de; Barbara.Gromer at neclab.eu; jimenez at tid.es; anne.tissier at thalesgroup.com; susanne.weikl at nsn.com; SUZANNE at il.ibm.com; benedicte.pascal at intel.com; Bettina.Lehmann at telekom.de; GALITL at il.ibm.com; giampaoletti at dis.uniroma1.it; Hans.Einsiedler at telekom.de; henk.heijnen at technicolor.com; irene.glueck-otte at siemens.com; jdps at tid.es; jean-dominique.meunier at technicolor.com; jhierro at tid.es; MELZI, RAFFAELLA (RAFFAELLA); mathilde.dubesset at technicolor.com; STAMM, Markus (Markus); Wuenstel, Klaus (Klaus); nils-ivar.tjernberg at ericsson.com; Patricia.BEDOUI at fr.thalesgroup.com; philippe.schaeffer at inria.fr; pmaeso at tid.es; robert.sarrazin at orange-ftgroup.com; sedano at tid.es; Bohnert, Thomas Michael; werner.mohr at nsn.com; Gerteis, Wolfgang; WOLFSTAL at il.ibm.com; Yves-Marie.LePannerer at technicolor.com; Corinne.SIEUX at fr.thalesgroup.com; pascal.bisson at thalesgroup.com; Sylvie.RAYNAUD at fr.thalesgroup.com; laila.gide at thalesgroup.com; Beatriz.aznar at atos.net; lgg at tid.es Betreff: RE: Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Specs Dear all, I'm opening a new thread lest we lose ourselves in the multitude of exchanges on various subjects. My concern relates to the 2nd paragpagh of Section 4.1: Notwithstanding any conflicting terms in this CA, the FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications will be made publically available (upon publication in accordance with clause 4.4.1) on royalty free terms. For the sake of clarity, other Parties may use such FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications to develop and release implementations of the FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications on a royalty-free basis. Would people be against adding a clarification that this generous covenant does not imply royalty free licensing of Background and Sideground patents, should any read on such implementations? Or does everybody rely on their Background and Sideground exclusions? Regards Jonas Dr. Jonas Heitto, LL.M. 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