Fabian,
The way I see it, the most probable source of Sideground is improvement to
Background. As an example, IBM is bringing an IBM asset from the IBM SWG
division. We hope that any improvements to this IBM asset will also be able
to be used by the FI-Ware project. Since this asset was not developed by
Haifa people, chances are that while some improvements will come out of
work done by the project, some improvements will be done by the project
owning the asset.
As such, to limit the Sideground to only those people involved in the
project is unnecessarily limiting and actually counter productive.
Suzanne
Suzanne Erez
Counsel, IPLaw, Israel
Associate PPM, PPM 160
IBM Haifa, Israel suzanne at il.ibm.com
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From: fabian.perpeet at zv.fraunhofer.de
To: lgg at tid.es
Cc: jens.fiedler at fokus.fraunhofer.de, fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu
Date: 08/03/11 03:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement Fiware
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Luis,
just a first question in reply: How shall the Partners be able to detect
Background/Sideground by Haifa Research laboratory (IBM) or by the people
at the Zurich Research laboratory (IBM) or by NEC Laboratories (NEC) or by
the people at the TDRF’s laboratory (Technicolor) ?
Regards
Fabian Perpeet
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mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] Im Auftrag von LUIS GARCIA
GARCIA
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. August 2011 14:28
An: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu
Cc: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO
Betreff: [Fiware-legal] RV: Consortium Agreement Fiware
Dear Fabian, dear all,
I´ve been discussing with our management/technical people your proposal and
have several concerns:
1º.- What happens if Fraunhofer FOKUS use/introduce SG developed by another
institute in Fraunhofer and it becomes Needed for Execution of Use?
2º.- How should other partners be able to detect IP which is from
Fraunhofer Fokus, and distinguish it from IP from other Fraunhofer
institutes, when Fraunhofer Fokus and any other Fraunhoufer institute are
not a legal entity on their own?
3º.- We are not in favour to include any particular exemption in a general
rule applicable to all the Partners (other partners may wish to include
their own exemptions). These exemptions must be included in Annex 3 and we
have included in this annex the text you sent us.
4º.- Using Kathrin´s words “Does this statement only refers to Sideground
that is Software or does it refer to all Sideground? Do we have then Access
Rights to all Fraunhofer Sidground which is not Software? It´s not clear
5º.- As SG is voluntarily used/introduced by the relevant partners in the
Project, nothing hinders FOKUS to include – if it decides to do so-
exclusively its own SG (then this clause will only be applicable, as you
wish, to FOKUS´s SG) Also, nobody can force FhG to introduce in the project
any of its SG.
6º.- FhG has accepted IPCA EICTA original wording in this clause in
others FP7 projects, even within FUTURE INTENET initiative.
It´s our willingness, to consider Fraunhofer’s needs as a research
organisation with scientifically independent institutes and, as you know,
this clause has been widely discussed during our calls, but it seems we are
in a closed road and a decision must be taken. We must finalize this CA
(some partners do not sign their Form A until the CA is closed) to avoid
any risk for the FI-WARE project.
I attach it again the proposal we sent yesterday:
“All Access Rights to Software that is Sideground shall be in the form of
Limited Source Code Access for the execution of the Project, save that no
Party shall be obliged to grant for Use any Access Rights to Source Code
that is Sideground and that is not listed in Annex 5 of this CA. Access
Rights to Software that is Sideground for Use shall be in the form of
Object Code Access and/or API unless otherwise agreed between the Parties
concerned. However, access to the API shall be granted if such access is
Needed and may be subject to any condition that the owning Party considers
as legitimate to protect the Sideground but, however, without limiting the
Access Rights granted under this CA.”
For the above mentioned reasons, I´ve received instructions to send this
proposal as final and send during next week the pdf. File with the
signature instructions.
As IBM has finally accepted the current wording in clause 4.3.1.2, once
this question is solved and clause 4.2.7.1 is agreed, the CA will be
definitively completed.
For the sake of compromise, I kindly invite you again to accept the wording
we proposed you yesterday for the last paragraph of 4.2.7.1.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards
Luis.
De: fabian.perpeet at zv.fraunhofer.de [mailto:fabian.perpeet at zv.fraunhofer.de
]
Enviado el: martes, 02 de agosto de 2011 16:39
Para: kathrin.schweppe at sap.com
CC: claudia.manderfeld at zv.fraunhofer.de;
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laila.gide at thalesgroup.com; Beatriz.aznar at atos.net; LUIS GARCIA GARCIA
Asunto: AW: Consortium Agreement Fiware
Dear Ms Schweppe,
as the other partners have continously rejected any proposal by Fraunhofer
to restrict the definition of Sideground and due to our experiences from
the negotiations concerning this CA that some partners obviously try to
extend the legal claims to Sideground in a most extended way („We should
have the possibility to choose which architecture we would like to have”)
we want to make sure that this section in question refers only to
Siderground generated by Fraunhofer FOKUS.
Regards
Fabian Perpeet
Von: Schweppe, Kathrin [mailto:kathrin.schweppe at sap.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. August 2011 16:25
An: Fabian Perpeet
Cc: Claudia Manderfeld, Ass.; Klarissa Martha Maria Al-Shorachi; Jens
Fiedler, Dipl.-Inf.; Barbara.Gromer at neclab.eu; jimenez at tid.es;
anne.tissier at thalesgroup.com; susanne.weikl at nsn.com; SUZANNE at il.ibm.com;
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Beatriz.aznar at atos.net; lgg at tid.es
Betreff: AW: Consortium Agreement Fiware
Dear Mr. Perpeet,
I disagree, because I do not understand, why Fraunhofer has to state in
this special clause that Sideground is from Fraunhofer Fokus. Does this
statement only refers to Sideground that is Software or does it refer to
all Sideground? Do we have then Access Rights to all Fraunhofer Sidground
which is not Software? The statement there is confusing whilst it would be
very clear within Annex 3. What are your problems to include that Statement
into Annex 3? It would cover your needs and would probably end all these
discussions.
Thank you and best regards,
Kathrin
Kathrin Schweppe, LL.M.
Contract Specialist
Global Legal
SAP AG
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. August 2011 16:17
An: Schweppe, Kathrin
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Betreff: AW: Consortium Agreement Fiware
Dear Ms Schweppe,
if the „problem“ is how to differentiate between back-/sideground developed
or not developed by employees of a certain department of a party then it
makes no difference if this distinction is made in Annex 3 or the CA
itself. Annex 3 is part of the CA.
Regards
Fabian Perpeet
Von: Schweppe, Kathrin [mailto:kathrin.schweppe at sap.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. August 2011 15:54
An: Fabian Perpeet; lgg at tid.es
Cc: Claudia Manderfeld, Ass.; Klarissa Martha Maria Al-Shorachi; Jens
Fiedler, Dipl.-Inf.; Barbara.Gromer at neclab.eu; jimenez at tid.es;
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Sylvie.RAYNAUD at fr.thalesgroup.com; laila.gide at thalesgroup.com;
Beatriz.aznar at atos.net
Betreff: AW: Consortium Agreement Fiware
Dear Fabian, dear all,
the difference is, that NEC and others are making this distinction within
the Background and Sideground Exclusion list. I find your inclusion in the
discussed clause very confusing because it is not clear, if Sidground which
is Software should be only from Fraunhofer Fokus or if that should apply to
all Fraunhofer Sideground. Maybe you can include that limitation into Annex
3?
Best regards,
Kathrin
Kathrin Schweppe, LL.M.
Contract Specialist
Global Legal
SAP AG
Dietmar-Hopp-Allee 16
69190 Walldorf, Germany
T +49 6227 7-64369
F +49 6227 78-54177
E kathrin.schweppe at sap.com
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An: lgg at tid.es
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Betreff: AW: Consortium Agreement Fiware
Dear Luis,
may we draw your attention to the fact that quite a few partners (including
NEC) use the approach of making differences with regard to the Back- or
Sideground generated by certain employees of certain departments which are
obviously no legal entities in their own right, see excerpt from Annex 3
below.
Fraunhofer has made several compromises with regard to the Sideground issue
and expect the same willingness from the other partners considering
Fraunhofer’s needs as a research organisation with scientifically
independent institutes. The only change could be to add the last
half-sentence proposed by SAP so that the section reads as follows:
“All Access Rights to Software that is Sideground (in case of Fraunhofer:
Sideground developed by Fraunhofer FOKUS) shall be in the form of Limited
Source Code Access for the execution of the Project, save that no Party
shall be obliged to grant for Use any Access Rights to Source Code that is
Sideground and that is not listed in Annex 5 of this CA. Access Rights to
Software that is Sideground for Use shall be in the form of Object Code
Access and/or API unless otherwise agreed between the Parties concerned.
However, access to the API shall be granted if such access is Needed and
may be subject to any condition that the owning Party considers as
legitimate to protect the Sideground, but however, without limiting the
Access Rights granted under this CA.“
Please note that this is the last compromise we are willing to take.
Best regards
Fabian Perpeet
IBM Israel Science and Technology Ltd. hereby excludes from its obligation
to grant Access Rights to any and all Background and Sideground other than
the Background and Sideground generated by the people at the Haifa Research
laboratory who participate in the performance of work under this Project.
IBM RESEARCH GMBH Hereby excludes from its obligation to grant Access
Rights to any and all Background and Sideground other than the Background
and Sideground generated by the people at the Zurich Research laboratory
who participate in the performance of work under this Project.
NEC Europe Ltd.
NEC Europe Ltd. (NEC) hereby exclude all Background and Sideground
generated by NEC Europe Ltd. other than that generated by NEC Laboratories
of NEC Europe Ltd. Further, NEC excludes all Background that NEC is not
free to grant access to due to obligations towards third parties.
Technicolor R&D France (hereinafter TRDF) expressly excludes from its
obligation to grant Access Rights:
i.
Technologies related to video compression / decompression,
content indexation and searching, 3D video, any software pr
hardware that have been developed for its customers
(related (but not limited to) Set Top Boxes, gateways,
modems and wireless technologies) and any
Background/Sideground related to the movie industry such as
(but not limited to) film mastering, special effects etc…
ii.
Any and all Background and Sideground not generated by the
people at the TRDF’s laboratory who participate in the
performance of work under the Project
iii.
Any and all Background and Sideground TRDF is not free to
provide
iv.
Any and all Background and Sideground not Needed for the
execution of the Project
v.
Any and all background and Sideground TRDF has not itself
introduced into the Project at its sole discretion for use
in execution of the Project
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