[Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Speclaudia.manderfeld at zv.fraunhofer.decs

[Heitto, Jonas (Jonas)]

 Susanne, all,

Even if the specs themselves are not patentable, which is likely, the provision says that

        ...other Parties may use such FI-WARE Generic
      Enabler  Specifications to develop and release implementations of the
      FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications on a royalty-free basis.

The 2nd paragraph merely states that a Party may develop implementations and require royalties for their use. But the other Parties are still not paying for their own implementations. Which we don't know yet. Which could read on BG patents of the licensing party.

I still think that some clarification may be in order, or possibly updates to the Background exclusion lists.

Please let me know what you think.
Jonas

-----Original Message-----
From: Suzanne Erez [mailto:SUZANNE at il.ibm.com]
Sent: Mittwoch, 3. August 2011 15:31
To: LUIS GARCIA GARCIA
Cc: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu; Heitto, Jonas (Jonas); Schweppe, Kathrin
Subject: Re: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Speclaudia.manderfeld at zv.fraunhofer.decs

Luis,

If I may make a comment to Jonas.

Jonas - you asked a very very good question, that made me pause, and double
check with our technical people that I was on the right path.   We at IBM
agree with Kathrin.

We do not see having patent applications being created or covering the
Generic Enabler SPECIFICATIONS.  We do have Background and will have
Sideground, patents on the Generic Enablers THEMSELVES, but not on the
SPECIFICAIONS.  We do not foresee the Specifications being so detailed as
to being patentable - they will simply list requirements.

So, as Kathrin said, since each Party has reserved the rights to license
the Generic Enablers themselves, and since you so rightly pointed out the
Exclusion List, we feel that we are in good shape.

wow, good comment.

Suzanne

Suzanne Erez
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From:   LUIS GARCIA GARCIA <lgg at tid.es>
To:     "Schweppe, Kathrin" <kathrin.schweppe at sap.com>, "Heitto, Jonas
            (Jonas)" <jonas.heitto at alcatel-lucent.com>
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Date:   08/03/11 11:06 AM
Subject:        Re: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic
            Enabler Speclaudia.manderfeld at zv.fraunhofer.decs
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Dear Jonas and all,

Nothing to add to Kathrin explanation. Further, this clause was widely
discussed and finally agreed long time ago.
Best regards

Luis García García
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De: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [
mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] En nombre de Schweppe,
Kathrin
Enviado el: miércoles, 03 de agosto de 2011 9:56
Para: Heitto, Jonas (Jonas); fabian.perpeet at zv.fraunhofer.de
CC: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu
Asunto: Re: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler
Speclaudia.manderfeld at zv.fraunhofer.decs

Dear Jonas, dear all,

I understand your concerns, we had similar concerns and therefore this
section was included:
      For  further  sake  of  clarity, Parties including those Parties that
      assisted  in  generating  the  FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications
      may,  but  are  not  obliged to, develop implementations or reference
      implementations of FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications and request
      licensing terms other than open and royalty free for such, e.g. under
      FRAND  (Fair, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory) terms subject to the
      provisions  of Article 4.2.3 and 4.2.4 below. The Parties may release
      their  implementations or reference implementations as open source or
      closed source, at their sole discretion.

Then, the Generic Enabler Specification is only a description about
technical requirements and the like. Do you see that a patent could be
included there?

Taking all these things into account, do you think we need further
clarification here and if so, can you please propose some wording?

Thank you and best regards,
Kathrin

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Betreff: RE: Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Specs

Dear all,

I'm opening a new thread lest we lose ourselves in the multitude of
exchanges on various subjects.

My concern relates to the 2nd paragpagh of Section 4.1:

      Notwithstanding any conflicting terms in this CA, the FI-WARE Generic
      Enabler  Specifications  will  be  made  publically  available  (upon
      publication  in  accordance with clause 4.4.1) on royalty free terms.
      For the sake of clarity,   other Parties may use such FI-WARE Generic
      Enabler  Specifications to develop and release implementations of the
      FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications on a royalty-free basis.

Would people be against adding a clarification that this generous covenant
does not imply royalty free licensing of Background and Sideground patents,
should any read on such implementations? Or does everybody rely on their
Background and Sideground exclusions?

Regards
Jonas

Dr. Jonas Heitto, LL.M.
ALCATEL-LUCENT
Corporate IP Counsel
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY & STANDARDS
(  Tel +49 711 821 44561
2    Fax +49 711 821 44587
jonas.heitto at alcatel-lucent.com




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