Dear all,
please note that Siemens is of the opinion that we should not change anything in the text of the CA due to the issue Generic Enabler. For us it would not be a disadvantage to get (and to give) more than the specification of the Generic Enablers royalty-free. We support the coordinator in this issue.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Irene Glück-Otte
Siemens AG
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From: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of Barbara Gromer
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [Fiware-legal] Fw: Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Specs
Importance: High
Dear all,
NEC also agrees with IBM and SAP. I would be happy to see Suzanne's wording
"[...] DISCLOSED BY the FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications on a royalty-free basis."
included in the text (see Suzanne's proposal below). The reason is that it only clarifies everybody's understanding and intention and would make things clear and bullet-proof in any legal proceedings (which hopefully may never come).
Kind regards,
Barbara
Barbara Gromer
NEC Laboratories Europe
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Subject: Re: [Fiware-legal] Fw: Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Specs
Dear all,
I agree with Suzanne. We should fix this mistake. I think Suzannes proposal works and can easily be included.
Best regards,
Kathrin
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Von: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] Im Auftrag von Suzanne Erez
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. August 2011 12:41
An: LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu
Betreff: [Fiware-legal] Fw: Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Specs
Luis,
What if we do a minor amendment of only 2 words? And add the words
DISCLOSED BY?
Notwithstanding any conflicting terms in this CA, the FI-WARE Generic
Enabler Specifications will be made publically available (upon
publication in accordance with clause 4.4.1) on royalty free terms.
For the sake of clarity, other Parties may use such FI-WARE Generic
Enabler Specifications to develop and release implementations DISCLOSED BY the
FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications on a royalty-free basis.
So if it is not disclosed in the spec, it is not Royalty Free. Does that work Luis?
Suzanne
Suzanne Erez
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From: Suzanne Erez/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
To: LUIS GARCIA GARCIA <lgg at tid.es>
Cc: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO <jimenez at tid.es>,
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Date: 08/04/11 01:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic
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Luis,
At times we too make mistakes, even if they are over 1100 e-mails.
I think we made a mistake.
Question - (knowing that this has NOTHING to do with Access Rights - since it doesn't even mention Access Rights) when you read this - If a Party creates an implementation of the specification - and this implementation does MORE than the specification - is IBM allowed to request Royalties for that implementation?
Notwithstanding any conflicting terms in this CA, the FI-WARE Generic
Enabler Specifications will be made publically available (upon
publication in accordance with clause 4.4.1) on royalty free terms.
For the sake of clarity, other Parties may use such FI-WARE Generic
Enabler Specifications to develop and release implementations of the
FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications on a royalty-free basis.
Can I sue someone for using my patents. They are not BACKGROUND since I never brought them into the project. This is another Party creating an implementation that uses my patents. And this implementation is not even for the project.
What do you think?
Suzanne
Suzanne Erez
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From: LUIS GARCIA GARCIA <lgg at tid.es>
To: "Heitto, Jonas (Jonas)" <jonas.heitto at alcatel-lucent.com>,
Suzanne Erez/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL
Cc: "Schweppe, Kathrin" <kathrin.schweppe at sap.com>,
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Date: 08/04/11 01:06 PM
Subject: RE: AW: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE /
Generic
Enabler Specs
Dear all,
Although I understand your concerns, I think that the clarification is not necessary. Obviously if someone implements a GES using other´s proprietary BG; the owner of that BG may request royalties.
What I mean is that, from our perspective, the question is out of the scope of this agreement. Remember that you´re talking about licenses that are not "needed" (if they would become "needed" the CA establishes the applicable terms) so, if they are not needed, they will be granted only if both parties mutually and freely agree in the applicable terms. Nobody can freely use other´s partners proprietary technology (patentable or not) without that partner´s prior consent. This is obvious.
Apart from this argument, don't forget the following:
a) This clause was widely negotiated and discussed in a huge
number of mails (I have 1100 mails in my FIWARE folder, a good number
of them referred to this clause) and conversations. It was not
discussed during the last week´s audios as it was considered as
agreed.
b) We must be consequent. From our perspective it is not a
deal-breaker point as it refers to an obvious situation. If we open
again the CA to new discussions regarding clauses that are already
agreed and closed, this CA will never reach an end.
c) Further, I´ve received clear, firm and irrevocable
instructions, to avoid any new modification that it´s not a typo. It´
s time to start with the signature process; we just cannot afford the
time for further discussions .
Sorry if my words sound too strong . It´s not my intention to upset anybody. All of you know that we´ve tried to get, as far as possible, a balanced agreement and I think that we get a very very good agreement, but we cannot turn it into the "neverending" agreement.
We kindly invite you to accept the clause as it is now and to move forward in the project.
I also kindly ask the partners that still have not sent their contact/signing details to send them to me ASAP. During next week, we´ll send the clean version with the signature details.
Best regards
Luis
De: Heitto, Jonas (Jonas) [mailto:jonas.heitto at alcatel-lucent.com]
Enviado el: jueves, 04 de agosto de 2011 10:56
Para: Suzanne Erez
CC: Schweppe, Kathrin; LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu
Asunto: RE: AW: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Specs
Susanne,
While I would prefer to re-write the entire section, I understand the complications this would cause. Therefore I think your suggestion of a disclaimer is a good solution. I would just slightly reword as follows, added words underlined. I think the expression "covered" was not helping since all implementations would be covered by the spec.
HOWEVER, NOT WITHSTANDING THE ABOVE, PARTIES ARE NOT BARRED FROM REQUESTING ROYALTIES, OR PROTECTING
THEIR RIGHTS, FOR USE OF TECHNOLOGY (INCLUDING PATENTABLE INVENTIONS) NOT DISCLOSED BY THE FIWARE GENERIC
ENABLER SPECIFICATION.
I hope that the parties seconding Suzanne's original disclaimer can also find this here satisfacory.
I am still looking for the Commission's RF licensing requirement. GA Annex
1 mentioned GE Specs twice (p. 30 and p. 240) but no mention of royalty free, only "Open Specifications".
Regards
Jonas
-----Original Message-----
From: Suzanne Erez [mailto:SUZANNE at il.ibm.com]
Sent: Donnerstag, 4. August 2011 06:57
To: Heitto, Jonas (Jonas)
Cc: Schweppe, Kathrin; LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu
Subject: Re: AW: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Specs
Jonas,
Ah ha, I think I understand. You are saying that while the specs themselves may not cover patentable material, the implementation once created - may have material IN ADDITION to the specification, and that may cover Background patents.
So I as the implementer does not need to pay for implementing the bare specification, but if my implementation covers MORE than just the specification, and this MORE is covered by Background patents, for that we should pay.
Another way to say it is that - there are many many ways to implement the specification. The specification is only the bare minimum (e.g. must have black walls). If my implementation has only black walls, there is no royalty. But if the walls are black with white stripes, and white stripes are patented, the party owning that patent should be able tor request payment.
I know for IBM - we have a specific implementation of the Generic Enabler Specification. There will be many many ways to implement the specification. If someone creates their own implementation that covers the specs, and does it in a different way - more power to them. But if someone creates an implementation that copies what IBM does, and that is NOT in the spec, I should be able to ask for royalties, or request that this someone not infringe my patents.
IS THIS WHAT YOU MEAN?
Luis - our intention was that parties should contribute the specification royalty free, but I do not think it was our intention that if the implementation covers OTHER material that is patentable, that too must be
royalty free. Below in caps is my suggestion.
Notwithstanding any conflicting terms in this CA, the FI-WARE Generic
Enabler Specifications will be made publically available (upon
publication in accordance with clause 4.4.1) on royalty free terms.
For the sake of clarity, other Parties may use such FI-WARE Generic
Enabler Specifications to develop and release implementations of the
FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications on a royalty-free basis.
HOWEVER, NOT WITHSTANDING THE ABOVE, PARTIES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE
SPECIFICATION ARE NOT BARRED FROM REQUESTING ROYALTIES, OR PROTECTING
THEIR RIGHTS, FOR USE OF TECHNOLOGY NOT COVERED BY THE FIWARE GENERIC
ENABLER SPECIFICATION. (anyone know a better way to say this?)
What do you all think?
Suzanne
Suzanne Erez
Counsel, IPLaw, Israel
Associate PPM, PPM 160
IBM Haifa, Israel suzanne at il.ibm.com
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To: "Heitto, Jonas (Jonas)" <jonas.heitto at alcatel-lucent.com>,
Suzanne Erez/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, LUIS GARCIA GARCIA <lgg at tid.es>
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Date: 08/03/11 07:13 PM
Subject: AW: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic
Enabler Specs
Dear Jonas,
as far as I understood it, and please someone should correct me, if I am wrong, it was a mandatory prerequisite from the European Commission that the Generic Enabler Specification have to be published upon royalty-free conditions.
I think, I do not understand fully your comment. If SAP implements SAP GE Specs, why should we pay ourselves? It would only make sense, if SAP pays IBM for implementation of IBM's specs. And exactly that is what the EC would like to see with regard to the specifications.
We have further protection with regard to patents, that you can check via the publication process if there are patents enclosed upon which you do not would like to see free implementations.
Best regards,
Kathrin
Kathrin Schweppe, LL.M.
Contract Specialist
Global Legal
SAP AG
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Von: Heitto, Jonas (Jonas) [mailto:jonas.heitto at alcatel-lucent.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. August 2011 18:00
An: Suzanne Erez; LUIS GARCIA GARCIA
Cc: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu;
Schweppe, Kathrin
Betreff: RE: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Speclaudia.manderfeld at zv.fraunhofer.decs
Susanne, all,
Even if the specs themselves are not patentable, which is likely, the provision says that
...other Parties may use such FI-WARE Generic
Enabler Specifications to develop and release implementations of the
FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications on a royalty-free basis.
The 2nd paragraph merely states that a Party may develop implementations and require royalties for their use. But the other Parties are still not paying for their own implementations. Which we don't know yet. Which could read on BG patents of the licensing party.
I still think that some clarification may be in order, or possibly updates to the Background exclusion lists.
Please let me know what you think.
Jonas
-----Original Message-----
From: Suzanne Erez [mailto:SUZANNE at il.ibm.com]
Sent: Mittwoch, 3. August 2011 15:31
To: LUIS GARCIA GARCIA
Cc: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu;
Heitto, Jonas (Jonas); Schweppe, Kathrin
Subject: Re: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Speclaudia.manderfeld at zv.fraunhofer.decs
Luis,
If I may make a comment to Jonas.
Jonas - you asked a very very good question, that made me pause, and double
check with our technical people that I was on the right path. We at IBM
agree with Kathrin.
We do not see having patent applications being created or covering the Generic Enabler SPECIFICATIONS. We do have Background and will have Sideground, patents on the Generic Enablers THEMSELVES, but not on the SPECIFICAIONS. We do not foresee the Specifications being so detailed as to being patentable - they will simply list requirements.
So, as Kathrin said, since each Party has reserved the rights to license the Generic Enablers themselves, and since you so rightly pointed out the Exclusion List, we feel that we are in good shape.
wow, good comment.
Suzanne
Suzanne Erez
Counsel, IPLaw, Israel
Associate PPM, PPM 160
IBM Haifa, Israel suzanne at il.ibm.com
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From: LUIS GARCIA GARCIA <lgg at tid.es>
To: "Schweppe, Kathrin" <kathrin.schweppe at sap.com>, "Heitto, Jonas
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Date: 08/03/11 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic
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Dear Jonas and all,
Nothing to add to Kathrin explanation. Further, this clause was widely discussed and finally agreed long time ago.
Best regards
Luis García García
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De: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [ mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] En nombre de Schweppe, Kathrin Enviado el: miércoles, 03 de agosto de 2011 9:56
Para: Heitto, Jonas (Jonas); fabian.perpeet at zv.fraunhofer.de
CC: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu
Asunto: Re: [Fiware-legal] Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Speclaudia.manderfeld at zv.fraunhofer.decs
Dear Jonas, dear all,
I understand your concerns, we had similar concerns and therefore this section was included:
For further sake of clarity, Parties including those Parties that
assisted in generating the FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications
may, but are not obliged to, develop implementations or reference
implementations of FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications and request
licensing terms other than open and royalty free for such, e.g. under
FRAND (Fair, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory) terms subject to the
provisions of Article 4.2.3 and 4.2.4 below. The Parties may release
their implementations or reference implementations as open source or
closed source, at their sole discretion.
Then, the Generic Enabler Specification is only a description about technical requirements and the like. Do you see that a patent could be included there?
Taking all these things into account, do you think we need further clarification here and if so, can you please propose some wording?
Thank you and best regards,
Kathrin
Kathrin Schweppe, LL.M.
Contract Specialist
Global Legal
SAP AG
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Betreff: RE: Consortium Agreement FI-WARE / Generic Enabler Specs
Dear all,
I'm opening a new thread lest we lose ourselves in the multitude of exchanges on various subjects.
My concern relates to the 2nd paragpagh of Section 4.1:
Notwithstanding any conflicting terms in this CA, the FI-WARE Generic
Enabler Specifications will be made publically available (upon
publication in accordance with clause 4.4.1) on royalty free terms.
For the sake of clarity, other Parties may use such FI-WARE Generic
Enabler Specifications to develop and release implementations of the
FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications on a royalty-free basis.
Would people be against adding a clarification that this generous covenant does not imply royalty free licensing of Background and Sideground patents, should any read on such implementations? Or does everybody rely on their Background and Sideground exclusions?
Regards
Jonas
Dr. Jonas Heitto, LL.M.
ALCATEL-LUCENT
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INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY & STANDARDS
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