I think Irene's point is valid and that the current wording would benefit from a clarification to the effect that background and sideground patents are not included in the license grant. Regards Jonas Dr. Jonas Heitto, LL.M. Senior IP Counsel ALCATEL-LUCENT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY & STANDARDS * Tel +49 711 821 44561 * Fax +49 711 821 44587 jonas.heitto at alcatel-lucent.com Alcatel-Lucent Deutschland AG Lorenzstraße 10 70435 Stuttgart Sitz der Gesellschaft/ Domicile of the Company: Stuttgart . Amtsgericht/ District Court Stuttgart HRB 4026 Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates/ Chairman of the Board of Directors: Michael Oppenhoff Vorstand/ Board of Management: Alf Henryk Wulf (Vorsitzender/ Chairman) . Hans-Jörg Daub . Dr. Rainer Fechner . Andreas Gehe Note: This e-mail message and any documents accompanying it may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information belonging to Alcatel-Lucent. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us and delete all copies of the transmission. ________________________________ From: Glueck-Otte, Irene [mailto:irene.glueck-otte at siemens.com] Sent: Montag, 18. Juni 2012 16:24 To: LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Cc: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; Heitto, Jonas (Jonas); Amon, Peter Subject: RE: FIGARE GES LEGAL NOTICE. Dear Luis, I was out of the office last week and could not following the discussion about the licensing of FI-WARE Generic Enablers Specification in Detail which seems to run already for a certain amount of time. In principle we can follow your proposal. However we doubt whether the licensing rules as set out under 3. and 4. only refer to Foreground (which would be okay) or as well to Background or Sideground. As I am informed the the respective Sotware contains Foreground elements and Background elements, and it is not excluded that the use of Foreground under this license requires a license on Background/Sideground patents. We appreciate the royalty-free licensing of Foreground which is in line with our promise towards the EU Commission. However we regard is as a problem to license Background and Sideground (which has been created by the owners without any funding) on a royalty-free basis. I am not sure whether I have understood the proposal in the right way, but for me a clear distinction between Foreground on the one hand and Background/Sideground on the other hand is missing. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Irene Glück-Otte Siemens AG Corporate Legal and Compliance CL CS CU CT&IP Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München, Deutschland Tel.: +49 89 636-33276 Fax: +49 89 636-50441 Mobil: +49 1522 2797796 mailto:irene.glueck-otte at siemens.com Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Roland Busch, Brigitte Ederer, Klaus Helmrich, Joe Kaeser, Barbara Kux, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen, Michael Süß; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München, Deutschland; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 ________________________________ From: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of LUIS GARCIA GARCIA Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 8:30 AM To: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Cc: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO Subject: [Fiware-legal] FIGARE GES LEGAL NOTICE. Dear all, Find enclosed the new draft of the Legal Notice that must govern the FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specification (FI-WARE GES). The current proposed Legal Notice is very much based on the Legal Notice that the Object Management Group (OMG), a widely recognized industry standard body author of widely used standards such as UML, BPMN and CORBA In it, we´ve taken into account the inputs received. The objective is to create a unique text applicable to all the FIWARE GES. In this unique Legal Notice it will figure the Copyright notice of the relevant FIWARE Partners creating this GES. We kindly ask you to focus the debate exclusively in the yellow marked paragraphs referred to the "Essential patents and the licenses granted to them. Regarding these paragraphs, we wonder whether their inclusion may be against the clauses of our CA which establish that any party should be able to implement products in compliance with FI-WARE GE Specifications royalty-free: Notwithstanding any conflicting terms in this CA, but subject to Annex 3 and Section 3.4.3.3, the FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications will be made publically available on royalty free terms. For the sake of clarity, Parties signing this CA as well as any other third party may, subject to additional conditions or agreement where requested by a Party/ the Parties develop and release implementations of the FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications on a royalty-free basis. To some extend, the proposed language says "don't worry, you will not be sued by us because infringing a essential patent" but, on the other hand, it may be interpreted by someone as implicitly supporting the idea that "we could ask you for royalties if you infringe a patent we could consider non-essential" ... wouldn't claiming for any patent be something against the clause in the CA ? We would like to gather your opinion to close the Legal Notice. Based on comments and results of the discussion, we will propose a final language by Thursday, so if you have any opinion on the matter, please let us know by Tuesday evening at the latest. 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