From lgg at tid.es Thu May 17 10:43:01 2012 From: lgg at tid.es (LUIS GARCIA GARCIA) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:43:01 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS Message-ID: <400B1E0D509AB14C95FFDC1DE303B9A8A21DAE60C7@EXCLU2K7.hi.inet> Dear all, We?ve prepared the applicable terms for the preliminary specifications that are now published in FI-WARE. http://forge.fi-ware.eu/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/FI-WARE_Open_Specifications_Legal_Notice#Copyright_Information We understand that these terms and conditions are in line with clause 4.1 of the CA. Notwithstanding, we invite you to send us your comments/ inputs in order to prepare the final version of these terms. This final version will be applicable to the final FI-WARE specifications. Best regards Luis Garc?a Garc?a Asesoria Jur?dica // Legal Department Tfnos: +34 914832614 // +34913129666 Telef?nica Investigaci?n y Desarrollo, S.A.Unipersonal DISTRITO C- Edificio Oeste 1, 5? planta Ronda de la Comunicaci?n s/n 28050-Madrid (Espa?a) [cid:image003.png at 01CD3419.D4B39CA0] ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 23775 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From kathrin.schweppe at sap.com Mon May 21 10:05:31 2012 From: kathrin.schweppe at sap.com (Schweppe, Kathrin) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:05:31 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS In-Reply-To: <400B1E0D509AB14C95FFDC1DE303B9A8A21DAE60C7@EXCLU2K7.hi.inet> References: <400B1E0D509AB14C95FFDC1DE303B9A8A21DAE60C7@EXCLU2K7.hi.inet> Message-ID: <7ED7B27AF3542948BAB7BCD179A7677C1350780040@DEWDFECCR03.wdf.sap.corp> Dear Luis, SAP has not been involved in this discussion. Therefore, we will look through them and let you know if they are acceptable for SAP. Best regards, Kathrin Kathrin Schweppe, LL.M. Legal Counsel Global Legal SAP AG Dietmar-Hopp-Allee 16 69190 Walldorf, Germany T +49 6227 7-64369 F +49 6227 78-54177 E kathrin.schweppe at sap.com http://www.sap.com Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Walldorf, Germany Vorstand/SAP Executive Board: Bill McDermot (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Jim Hagemann Snabe (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Werner Brandt, Gerhard Oswald, Vishal Sikka Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats/Chairperson of the SAP Supervisory Board: Hasso Plattner Registergericht/Commercial Register Mannheim No HRB 350269 Diese e-mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse, dem Anwaltsgeheimnis unterliegende oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese e-mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, ist Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielf?ltigung oder Weitergabe der e-mail ausdr?cklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene e-mail. Vielen Dank. Prepared by a member of SAP Global Legal. This message and any attachments may contain information that is confidential, private or protected by the attorney-client or other privilege. If you have received this email in error, please delete this message without further copying or distribution and promptly notify me. Thank you for your cooperation. From: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of LUIS GARCIA GARCIA Sent: Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2012 10:43 To: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS Dear all, We?ve prepared the applicable terms for the preliminary specifications that are now published in FI-WARE. http://forge.fi-ware.eu/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/FI-WARE_Open_Specifications_Legal_Notice#Copyright_Information We understand that these terms and conditions are in line with clause 4.1 of the CA. Notwithstanding, we invite you to send us your comments/ inputs in order to prepare the final version of these terms. This final version will be applicable to the final FI-WARE specifications. Best regards Luis Garc?a Garc?a Asesoria Jur?dica // Legal Department Tfnos: +34 914832614 // +34913129666 Telef?nica Investigaci?n y Desarrollo, S.A.Unipersonal DISTRITO C- Edificio Oeste 1, 5? planta Ronda de la Comunicaci?n s/n 28050-Madrid (Espa?a) [cid:image001.png at 01CD3733.FE639010] ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 23775 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From kathrin.schweppe at sap.com Tue May 22 16:41:31 2012 From: kathrin.schweppe at sap.com (Schweppe, Kathrin) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:41:31 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-legal] FW: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models In-Reply-To: References: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA4C86.9040404@tid.es> <4FBA4D35.4050901@tid.es> <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABF57@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA52F7.7050103@tid.es> <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3AC03E@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBAF843.5010101@tid.es> Message-ID: <7ED7B27AF3542948BAB7BCD179A7677C13507FB289@DEWDFECCR03.wdf.sap.corp> Dear Colleagues, please find below some discussions about the License, Telefonica proposed on Thursday for the Generic Enabler Specifications. I assume, it is beneficial for all partners to consider IBMs proposal. SAP supports IBM's point of view. Best regards, Kathrin Kathrin Schweppe, LL.M. Legal Counsel Global Legal SAP AG Dietmar-Hopp-Allee 16 69190 Walldorf, Germany T +49 6227 7-64369 F +49 6227 78-54177 E kathrin.schweppe at sap.com http://www.sap.com Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Walldorf, Germany Vorstand/SAP Executive Board: Bill McDermot (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Jim Hagemann Snabe (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Werner Brandt, Gerhard Oswald, Vishal Sikka Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats/Chairperson of the SAP Supervisory Board: Hasso Plattner Registergericht/Commercial Register Mannheim No HRB 350269 Diese e-mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse, dem Anwaltsgeheimnis unterliegende oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese e-mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, ist Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielf?ltigung oder Weitergabe der e-mail ausdr?cklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene e-mail. Vielen Dank. Prepared by a member of SAP Global Legal. This message and any attachments may contain information that is confidential, private or protected by the attorney-client or other privilege. If you have received this email in error, please delete this message without further copying or distribution and promptly notify me. Thank you for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Erez [mailto:SUZANNE at il.ibm.com] Sent: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 14:57 To: Juanjo Hierro Cc: Alex Glikson; 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu; LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; Schweppe, Kathrin Subject: Re: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models Juanjo, Thank you for your note and for the explanation. It was helpful to understand what your purpose is. There are two parts to the license - 1) the copyright statement and 2) the license terms. The first part "Copyright ? 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" while with the right intention, is not legally binding on anything or anyone. The term" FI-WARE Project partners" is not defined in any legally binding document. Additionally, it is according to the CA and the GA that each Part is to write Copyright ? 2012 by . Anything other than that is not in line with the GA or CA. II.26. Ownership 1. Foreground shall be the property of the beneficiary carrying out the work generating that foreground. As to the second part, while the language may be acceptable, it is only suggested that each party review it with their own legal department. As an example, IBM has many standard licenses that we use for many purposes. We will review this license, and decide to adopt it or a similar IBM one. I can not thank you enough, or express our appreciation for all the hard work you have done as coordinator. thank you! Suzanne Suzanne Erez Counsel, IPLaw, Israel Associate PPM, PPM 150, 160 IBM Haifa, Israel suzanne at il.ibm.com Tel: 972-4-829-6069 Fax: 972-4-829-6521 "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work" -- Thomas Edison, American inventor PREPARED BY IBM ATTORNEY / PRIVILEGE REVIEW REQUIRED This e-mail and its attachments, if any, may contain information that is private, confidential, or protected by attorney-client, solicitor-client or other privilege. If you received this e-mail in error, please delete it from your system without copying it and notify me of the misdirection by reply e-mail. From: Juanjo Hierro To: Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, Cc: "'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu)" , "fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu" , "fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu" , Suzanne Erez/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, LUIS GARCIA GARCIA , "jhierro >> \"Juan J. Hierro \"" Date: 21/05/2012 09:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models On 21/05/12 23:21, Alex Glikson wrote: Dear Juanjo, all, Our legal department says there is no legal entity known as FIWARE Project Parties. So FIWARE Project Parties can not be the owners of anything, and can not be copyright owners either. Well ... the trick here was that "FI-WARE Project Partners" on the wiki is a link to the wiki page where project partners are listed ... so we thought was a kind of abbreviation of the whole list of partners ... BTW, I have replaced any ocurrence of the "FI-WARE partner" in the legal notice by "FI-WARE Project Partners" with the link to the wiki page listing the FI-WARE Project Partners for consistency. It also says in the CA and the GA, that the party that creates the Foreground is the owner of the Foreground. Nothing is said in the published FI-WARE Legal Notice about ownership. The legal notice covers license to use which is different. What the legal notices says in that respect is, essentially, that the specs are public and royalty-free, therefore anyone can build products based on them, that the FI-WARE partners are not responsible for identifying infringed patents, and that the FI-WARE partners are not liable for errors in the specifications. It doesn't say anything about ownership, so therefore any agreement between FI-WARE partners about such ownerships (i.e., whatever is stated in the CA/GA regarding ownership, prevails). Note that ownership doesn't equal to license to use which is what we have tried to regulate here according to the CA/GA. While IBM supports making the specifications public, as per the DOW, the DOW does not say we need to also give away ownership to what we wrote. I don't see what are we giving away about ownership with the current legal notice either. If you would like to write on your material "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" that is your decision. But we believe that each Party should be able to decide if they want to retain ownership of their own material. That's why I proposed to change the sentence to say "Copyright ? 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners" by "Copyright ? 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" (FI-WARE project partners being a link), and then you can negotiate the copyright that should come with whatever spec has been produced within your chapter with the contributing parties. Do you object to that formula ? Indeed I believe it covers your demands ... since you will be able to specify a different copyright statement (but not license to use) on what you consider your material. Note that, regarding copyright, we just tried to avoid going public without any sort of copyright. Now you can fix it if we introduce the proposed change. Regarding the rest of the Legal Notice, we are just defining the license to use specifications, in line with what the CA/GA states. We don't say anything about ownership, so the CA/GA prevails. Best regards, -- Juanjo Regards, Alex ==================================================================================================== Alex Glikson Manager, Cloud Operating System Technologies, IBM Haifa Research Lab http://w3.haifa.ibm.com/dept/stt/cloud_sys.html | https://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/dept/stt/cloud_sys.shtml Email: glikson at il.ibm.com | Phone: +972-4-8281085 | Mobile: +972-54-6466667 | Fax: +972-4-8296112 From: "Fasse, Axel" To: Juanjo Hierro , Cc: "fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu" , "'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu)" , "fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu" Date: 21/05/2012 05:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpl] [Fiware-wpa] Licence models Sent by: fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu Dear Juanjo, I?m already in discussions with our colleagues from the legal department. You will get a feedback as soon as possible. Best regards, Axel From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:37 To: Fasse, Axel Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models Ok. Given your support, I will go for the proposed option (change "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" by "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise") unless anyone objects before Wednesday 12:00 CET. Thanks and best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 16:22, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, you don?t have to convince me about a pragmatic approach. I think it is necessary to find a solution that is supported by all partners. Best regards, Axel From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:12 To: Fasse, Axel Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models On 21/05/12 16:09, Juanjo Hierro wrote: Dear Axel, Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the sentence "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their opinion is written down. Of course, those companies that believe that the copyright of a given specification only belongs to them should justify it and get at least the agreement of at least partners of the same Chapter (e.g., Security Chapter) or joint Task Force (e.g., FI-WARE NGSI) Best regards, -- Juanjo Would that work for you ? Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler. We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a license of its choice under which the release to the public can happen. Best regards, Axel Fasse --------------------------- Axel Fasse Senior Researcher SAP Research Karlsruhe SAP AG Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany T +49 6227 7-52528 F +49 6227 78-55237 M +4915153858917 E axel.fasse at sap.com www.sap.com Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. 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We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at. http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx From jhierro at tid.es Tue May 22 17:10:35 2012 From: jhierro at tid.es (Juanjo Hierro) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:10:35 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-legal] FW: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models In-Reply-To: <7ED7B27AF3542948BAB7BCD179A7677C13507FB289@DEWDFECCR03.wdf.sap.corp> References: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA4C86.9040404@tid.es> <4FBA4D35.4050901@tid.es> <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABF57@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA52F7.7050103@tid.es> <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3AC03E@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBAF843.5010101@tid.es> <7ED7B27AF3542948BAB7BCD179A7677C13507FB289@DEWDFECCR03.wdf.sap.corp> Message-ID: <4FBBAC6B.3080302@tid.es> Dear colleagues of legal departments, Going for a different legal notice, regarding the license to use GE Open Specifications, for each and every GE Open Specification will IMHO totally JEOPARDIZE the chances to achieve the expected impact with a project like FI-WARE. It will introduce a lot of confussion on potential users of the spec. Should they have to learn and analyze each and every license to use terms when, at the end of the day, they should end supporting the same CA clauses regarding public and royalty-free nature of specifications ? No single organization trying to achieve the goal of producing a uniform set of specifications (and I remind you that we are trying to develop here one) does anything like that. People would simply dismiss our potential contribution. The discussion about ownership of foreground, by the way, does not have anything to do with this discussion on how license the use of that foreground. The CA/GA is clear stating that foreground that is a FI-WARE GE implementation is licensed under the terms that the owner of that GE implementation determines (though has to be offered free of charge with the FI-PPP program and following FRAND terms otherwise). However, it is also clear stating that foreground that is a FI-WARE GE Open Specification has to be licensed royalty-free, allowing any party to develop implementations in compliance with the spec. There is therefore no reason why we cannot find a single common license for using FI-WARE GE Open Specifications. Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 22/05/12 16:41, Schweppe, Kathrin wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > please find below some discussions about the License, Telefonica proposed on Thursday for the Generic Enabler Specifications. I assume, it is beneficial for all partners to consider IBMs proposal. > > SAP supports IBM's point of view. > > Best regards, > Kathrin > > Kathrin Schweppe, LL.M. > Legal Counsel > Global Legal > SAP AG > Dietmar-Hopp-Allee 16 > 69190 Walldorf, Germany > T +49 6227 7-64369 > F +49 6227 78-54177 > E kathrin.schweppe at sap.com > http://www.sap.com > Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Walldorf, Germany > Vorstand/SAP Executive Board: Bill McDermot (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Jim Hagemann Snabe (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Werner Brandt, Gerhard Oswald, Vishal Sikka > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats/Chairperson of the SAP Supervisory Board: Hasso Plattner > Registergericht/Commercial Register Mannheim No HRB 350269 > > Diese e-mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse, dem Anwaltsgeheimnis unterliegende oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese e-mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, ist Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielf?ltigung oder Weitergabe der e-mail ausdr?cklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene e-mail. Vielen Dank. > Prepared by a member of SAP Global Legal. This message and any attachments may contain information that is confidential, private or protected by the attorney-client or other privilege. If you have received this email in error, please delete this message without further copying or distribution and promptly notify me. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Erez [mailto:SUZANNE at il.ibm.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 14:57 > To: Juanjo Hierro > Cc: Alex Glikson; 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu; LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; Schweppe, Kathrin > Subject: Re: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models > > Juanjo, > > Thank you for your note and for the explanation. It was helpful to > understand what your purpose is. > > There are two parts to the license - 1) the copyright statement and 2) the > license terms. > > The first part "Copyright ? 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners unless > specified otherwise" while with the right intention, is not legally > binding on anything or anyone. The term" FI-WARE Project partners" is not > defined in any legally binding document. Additionally, it is according to > the CA and the GA that each Part is to write Copyright ? 2012 by NAME OF PERSON WRITING THE SPEC>. Anything other than that is not in line > with the GA or CA. > > II.26. Ownership > 1. Foreground shall be the property of the beneficiary carrying out the > work generating that foreground. > > As to the second part, while the language may be acceptable, it is only > suggested that each party review it with their own legal department. As an > example, IBM has many standard licenses that we use for many purposes. We > will review this license, and decide to adopt it or a similar IBM one. > > I can not thank you enough, or express our appreciation for all the hard > work you have done as coordinator. thank you! > > Suzanne > > Suzanne Erez > Counsel, IPLaw, Israel > Associate PPM, PPM 150, 160 > IBM Haifa, Israel suzanne at il.ibm.com > Tel: 972-4-829-6069 Fax: 972-4-829-6521 > > "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and > looks like work" -- Thomas Edison, American inventor > > PREPARED BY IBM ATTORNEY / PRIVILEGE REVIEW REQUIRED This e-mail and its > attachments, if any, may contain information that is private, confidential, > or protected by attorney-client, solicitor-client or other privilege. If > you received this e-mail in error, please delete it from your system > without copying it and notify me of the misdirection by reply e-mail. > > > > From: Juanjo Hierro > To: Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, > Cc: "'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu)" > , "fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu" > , "fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu" > , Suzanne Erez/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, > LUIS GARCIA GARCIA, "jhierro>> \"Juan J. Hierro > \"" > Date: 21/05/2012 09:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models > > > > > On 21/05/12 23:21, Alex Glikson wrote: > Dear Juanjo, all, > > Our legal department says there is no legal entity known as FIWARE > Project Parties. So FIWARE Project Parties can not be the owners of > anything, and can not be copyright owners either. > Well ... the trick here was that "FI-WARE Project Partners" on the wiki > is a link to the wiki page where project partners are listed ... so we > thought was a kind of abbreviation of the whole list of partners ... > > BTW, I have replaced any ocurrence of the "FI-WARE partner" in the legal > notice by "FI-WARE Project Partners" with the link to the wiki page listing > the FI-WARE Project Partners for consistency. > > It also says in the CA and the GA, that the party that creates the > Foreground is the owner of the Foreground. > > Nothing is said in the published FI-WARE Legal Notice about ownership. > The legal notice covers license to use which is different. What the legal > notices says in that respect is, essentially, that the specs are public and > royalty-free, therefore anyone can build products based on them, that the > FI-WARE partners are not responsible for identifying infringed patents, and > that the FI-WARE partners are not liable for errors in the specifications. > It doesn't say anything about ownership, so therefore any agreement between > FI-WARE partners about such ownerships (i.e., whatever is stated in the > CA/GA regarding ownership, prevails). Note that ownership doesn't equal > to license to use which is what we have tried to regulate here according to > the CA/GA. > > > While IBM supports making the specifications public, as per the DOW, > the DOW does not say we need to also give away ownership to what we > wrote. > > I don't see what are we giving away about ownership with the current > legal notice either. > > If you would like to write on your material "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE > Project partners" that is your decision. But we believe that each > Party should be able to decide if they want to retain ownership of > their own material. > > That's why I proposed to change the sentence to say "Copyright ? 2012 by > FI-WARE Project partners" by "Copyright ? 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners > unless specified otherwise" (FI-WARE project partners being a link), and > then you can negotiate the copyright that should come with whatever spec > has been produced within your chapter with the contributing parties. > > Do you object to that formula ? Indeed I believe it covers your > demands ... since you will be able to specify a different copyright > statement (but not license to use) on what you consider your material. > > Note that, regarding copyright, we just tried to avoid going public > without any sort of copyright. Now you can fix it if we introduce the > proposed change. Regarding the rest of the Legal Notice, we are just > defining the license to use specifications, in line with what the CA/GA > states. We don't say anything about ownership, so the CA/GA prevails. > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > Regards, > Alex > > ==================================================================================================== > > Alex Glikson > Manager, Cloud Operating System Technologies, IBM Haifa Research Lab > http://w3.haifa.ibm.com/dept/stt/cloud_sys.html | > https://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/dept/stt/cloud_sys.shtml > Email: glikson at il.ibm.com | Phone: +972-4-8281085 | Mobile: > +972-54-6466667 | Fax: +972-4-8296112 > > > > > From: "Fasse, Axel" > To: Juanjo Hierro, > Cc: "fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu" > , > "'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu)" > , "fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu" > > Date: 21/05/2012 05:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpl] [Fiware-wpa] Licence models > Sent by: fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu > > > > Dear Juanjo, > > I?m already in discussions with our colleagues from the legal > department. > You will get a feedback as soon as possible. > > Best regards, > Axel > > From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] > Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:37 > To: Fasse, Axel > Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE > JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; > fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu > Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models > > > Ok. Given your support, I will go for the proposed option (change > "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" by "Copyright ? 2012 > FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise") unless anyone > objects before Wednesday 12:00 CET. > > Thanks and best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > > ------------- > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital > website: www.tid.es > email: jhierro at tid.es > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro > > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect > > You can follow FI-WARE at: > website: http://www.fi-ware.eu > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware > linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 21/05/12 16:22, Fasse, Axel wrote: > Dear Juanjo, > > you don?t have to convince me about a pragmatic approach. > I think it is necessary to find a solution that is supported by all > partners. > > Best regards, > Axel > > From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] > Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:12 > To: Fasse, Axel > Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE > JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; > fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu > Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models > > > On 21/05/12 16:09, Juanjo Hierro wrote: > Dear Axel, > > Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the > sentence "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current > FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright > ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and > then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given > specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page > linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their > opinion is written down. > > Of course, those companies that believe that the copyright of a > given specification only belongs to them should justify it and get at > least the agreement of at least partners of the same Chapter (e.g., > Security Chapter) or joint Task Force (e.g., FI-WARE NGSI) > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > > Would that work for you ? > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > ------------- > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital > website: www.tid.es > email: jhierro at tid.es > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro > > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect > > You can follow FI-WARE at: > website: http://www.fi-ware.eu > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware > linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: > Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, > > we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License > you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is > not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler > Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the > party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic > Enabler. > We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a > license of its choice under which the release to the public can > happen. > > Best regards, > > Axel Fasse > > > --------------------------- > > Axel Fasse > Senior Researcher > SAP Research Karlsruhe > > SAP AG > Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 > 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany > > T +49 6227 7-52528 > F +49 6227 78-55237 > M +4915153858917 > E axel.fasse at sap.com > > www.sap.com > > Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: > http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx > > Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige > vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. 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This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at. http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx From robert.sarrazin at orange.com Tue May 22 18:55:05 2012 From: robert.sarrazin at orange.com (robert.sarrazin at orange.com) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:55:05 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS In-Reply-To: <400B1E0D509AB14C95FFDC1DE303B9A8A21DAE60C7@EXCLU2K7.hi.inet> References: <400B1E0D509AB14C95FFDC1DE303B9A8A21DAE60C7@EXCLU2K7.hi.inet> Message-ID: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C462025ABE46@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> Dear Luis and all, Please find below somme first comments on my side . - Concerning the Section " General Use Restrictions " I wonder if there is a possible contradiction between the second sentence beginning : " No part of this work .. " and the terms of the License granted ( In the Section " License " ) Is it intended to allow a copy of the specification itself ( as per License terms ) but not a part of this specification , without the permission of the copyright owner( s) ( according to the second sentence of " General Use Restrictions" ) ? -Concerning the first para, second sentence of Section " Disclaimer of Warranty " I suggest to complete it as follows: THE FI-WARE PARTNER MAKE NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, WITH REGARD TO THIS PUBLICATION, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY OF TITLE OR OWNERSHIP, WARRANTY OF NON INFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS, IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY OR WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR USE. Best regards ________________________________ De : fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] De la part de LUIS GARCIA GARCIA Envoy? : jeudi 17 mai 2012 10:43 ? : fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Objet : [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS Dear all, We?ve prepared the applicable terms for the preliminary specifications that are now published in FI-WARE. http://forge.fi-ware.eu/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/FI-WARE_Open_Specifications_Legal_Notice#Copyright_Information We understand that these terms and conditions are in line with clause 4.1 of the CA. Notwithstanding, we invite you to send us your comments/ inputs in order to prepare the final version of these terms. This final version will be applicable to the final FI-WARE specifications. Best regards Luis Garc?a Garc?a Asesoria Jur?dica // Legal Department Tfnos: +34 914832614 // +34913129666 Telef?nica Investigaci?n y Desarrollo, S.A.Unipersonal DISTRITO C- Edificio Oeste 1, 5? planta Ronda de la Comunicaci?n s/n 28050-Madrid (Espa?a) ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 23775 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From jhierro at tid.es Wed May 23 08:01:35 2012 From: jhierro at tid.es (Juanjo Hierro) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 08:01:35 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS In-Reply-To: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C462025ABE46@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> References: <400B1E0D509AB14C95FFDC1DE303B9A8A21DAE60C7@EXCLU2K7.hi.inet> <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C462025ABE46@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> Message-ID: <4FBC7D3F.8000501@tid.es> Dear Robert, Thanks for your constructive comments towards a single redaction of the Legal Notice to be attached to all FI-WARE Open Specifications. That is the right direction. There are several reasons why we rather need a single redaction of the Legal Notice: * Operationally, it would become a mess to come to an agreement for each an every FI-WARE Open Specification. We have just started and we have 25 open specifications. And there would be different combinations of FI-WARE partners behind almost each ... are you going to run 25 parallel discussions groups to agree on Legal Notices, when the fact is that ALL those Legal Notices should have the same ingredients (license to use and general use restrictions, disclaimer on patents, disclaimer of warranty) ? Come on ... * It will lead to easy criticism about "collaborative" work ... Showing this "as a result" of our "cooperation" would be a disaster. Honestly speaking, something to make jokes about ("This people in Europe cannot even agree into a single legal notice for the specifications of what they intend will be the Future Internet Core Platform. This initiative will go nowhere"). * Looking for the impact of the project, it will simply jeopardize the whole intend of our project. How can we pretend that people will seriously consider adopting our results if we cannot give them confidence on the legal terms that will accompany any specification we produce ? People would not get any confidence that the terms to use the next specification to come will be appropriate for them because the lesson would be that the legal notice for each and every specification would be different. As a result, they will simply not follow us nor take us seriously. You know that creating confidence on legal terms is something you need to "invest" and we need to convince people outside our consortia that they can invest adopting FI-WARE results. We are not inventing anything new. It is what ALL industry consortia aiming to generate Open Specification that can be adopted worldwide do: create a legal notice that accompany their published spec, generated from the active contribution of their members (W3C, OMG, OASIS, OMA, ...). Why should we make it different and more complicated ? I resist to admit that the reason why we cannot is because we are in Europe and all successful industry consortia have headquarters in the US ... Thanks again for your collaboration. Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 22/05/12 18:55, robert.sarrazin at orange.com wrote: Dear Luis and all, Please find below somme first comments on my side . - Concerning the Section " General Use Restrictions " I wonder if there is a possible contradiction between the second sentence beginning : " No part of this work .. " and the terms of the License granted ( In the Section " License " ) Is it intended to allow a copy of the specification itself ( as per License terms ) but not a part of this specification , without the permission of the copyright owner( s) ( according to the second sentence of " General Use Restrictions" ) ? -Concerning the first para, second sentence of Section " Disclaimer of Warranty " I suggest to complete it as follows: THE FI-WARE PARTNER MAKE NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, WITH REGARD TO THIS PUBLICATION, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY OF TITLE OR OWNERSHIP, WARRANTY OF NON INFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS, IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY OR WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR USE. Best regards ________________________________ De : fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] De la part de LUIS GARCIA GARCIA Envoy? : jeudi 17 mai 2012 10:43 ? : fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Objet : [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS Dear all, We?ve prepared the applicable terms for the preliminary specifications that are now published in FI-WARE. http://forge.fi-ware.eu/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/FI-WARE_Open_Specifications_Legal_Notice#Copyright_Information We understand that these terms and conditions are in line with clause 4.1 of the CA. Notwithstanding, we invite you to send us your comments/ inputs in order to prepare the final version of these terms. This final version will be applicable to the final FI-WARE specifications. Best regards Luis Garc?a Garc?a Asesoria Jur?dica // Legal Department Tfnos: +34 914832614 // +34913129666 Telef?nica Investigaci?n y Desarrollo, S.A.Unipersonal DISTRITO C- Edificio Oeste 1, 5? planta Ronda de la Comunicaci?n s/n 28050-Madrid (Espa?a) [cid:part2.03000907.04040402 at tid.es] ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. 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Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 23775 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robert.sarrazin at orange.com Wed May 23 18:46:26 2012 From: robert.sarrazin at orange.com (robert.sarrazin at orange.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:46:26 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS References: <400B1E0D509AB14C95FFDC1DE303B9A8A21DAE60C7@EXCLU2K7.hi.inet> Message-ID: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C462025AC01B@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> Dear luis and all, In addition to my previous comments below, I think it should be useful ( to avoid any misunderstanding ) to add at the end of Section " License " the following wording: " For avoidance of doubt, the rights granted are only those expressly stated in this Section . No other rights of any kind are granted by implication, waiver, or otherwise " Best regards ________________________________ De : SARRAZIN Robert DJ-DJ-ISS Envoy? : mardi 22 mai 2012 18:55 ? : 'LUIS GARCIA GARCIA'; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Cc : NAGELLEN Thierry RD-BIZZ-SOP Objet : RE: [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS Dear Luis and all, Please find below somme first comments on my side . - Concerning the Section " General Use Restrictions " I wonder if there is a possible contradiction between the second sentence beginning : " No part of this work .. " and the terms of the License granted ( In the Section " License " ) Is it intended to allow a copy of the specification itself ( as per License terms ) but not a part of this specification , without the permission of the copyright owner( s) ( according to the second sentence of " General Use Restrictions" ) ? -Concerning the first para, second sentence of Section " Disclaimer of Warranty " I suggest to complete it as follows: THE FI-WARE PARTNER MAKE NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, WITH REGARD TO THIS PUBLICATION, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY OF TITLE OR OWNERSHIP, WARRANTY OF NON INFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS, IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY OR WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR USE. Best regards ________________________________ De : fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] De la part de LUIS GARCIA GARCIA Envoy? : jeudi 17 mai 2012 10:43 ? : fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Objet : [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS Dear all, We?ve prepared the applicable terms for the preliminary specifications that are now published in FI-WARE. http://forge.fi-ware.eu/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/FI-WARE_Open_Specifications_Legal_Notice#Copyright_Information We understand that these terms and conditions are in line with clause 4.1 of the CA. Notwithstanding, we invite you to send us your comments/ inputs in order to prepare the final version of these terms. This final version will be applicable to the final FI-WARE specifications. 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Please note that this language is for discussion purposes only, and only addresses the license provisions in Sections 1 to 3. Please let me know what you think - 1. Use Of Specification - Terms, Conditions & Notices The material in this document details a FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specification ("GES") in accordance with the terms, conditions and notices set forth below. This document does not represent a commitment to implement any portion of this specification in any company's products. The information contained in this document is subject to change without notice. 2. Copyright License Each of the FI-WARE Project Partners hereby grants you a personal, nonexclusive, non transferable, non sub-licensable, royalty-free, paid up, worldwide license, under its respective copyrights incorporated in the GES, to copy and display the GES and to create derivative works thereof, solely for the purposes of developing derivative specifications of the GES and developing and commercializing software implementations conforming to the GES. 3. Patent License (1) "GES Essential Patents" shall mean patents and patent applications with priority date not later than the first public disclosure of the GES, the subject-matter of which is disclosed by the GES in their unmodified form, which are necessarily and unavoidably infringed by any implementation of the GES and which are owned by any of the FI-WARE Project Partners and can be licensed by the same without any obligation to seek consent of or compensate or otherwise account to a third party. (2) Each of the FI-WARE Project Partners hereby grant you a personal, nonexclusive, non transferable, non sub-licensable, royalty-free, paid up, worldwide license, under their respective GES Essential Patents, to make, use and sell software implementations conforming to the GES. (3) Each of the FI-WARE Project Partners reserve their right to request the payment of royalties, or to seek any other remedy under applicable law, with respect to any patents other than GES Essential Patents, or for any use of the GES Essential Patents not falling under (2). (4) The FI-WARE Project Partners shall not be responsible for identifying patents for which a license may be required in the course of implementing any of the GES, or for conducting legal inquiries into the legal validity or scope of those patents that are brought to its attention. The GES are prospective and advisory only. Prospective users are responsible for protecting themselves against liability for infringement of patents. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us and delete all copies of the transmission. ________________________________ From: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of robert.sarrazin at orange.com Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2012 18:46 To: lgg at tid.es; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Cc: thierry.nagellen at orange.com Subject: Re: [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS Dear luis and all, In addition to my previous comments below, I think it should be useful ( to avoid any misunderstanding ) to add at the end of Section " License " the following wording: " For avoidance of doubt, the rights granted are only those expressly stated in this Section . No other rights of any kind are granted by implication, waiver, or otherwise " Best regards ________________________________ De : SARRAZIN Robert DJ-DJ-ISS Envoy? : mardi 22 mai 2012 18:55 ? : 'LUIS GARCIA GARCIA'; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Cc : NAGELLEN Thierry RD-BIZZ-SOP Objet : RE: [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS Dear Luis and all, Please find below somme first comments on my side . - Concerning the Section " General Use Restrictions " I wonder if there is a possible contradiction between the second sentence beginning : " No part of this work .. " and the terms of the License granted ( In the Section " License " ) Is it intended to allow a copy of the specification itself ( as per License terms ) but not a part of this specification , without the permission of the copyright owner( s) ( according to the second sentence of " General Use Restrictions" ) ? -Concerning the first para, second sentence of Section " Disclaimer of Warranty " I suggest to complete it as follows: THE FI-WARE PARTNER MAKE NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, WITH REGARD TO THIS PUBLICATION, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY OF TITLE OR OWNERSHIP, WARRANTY OF NON INFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS, IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY OR WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR USE. Best regards ________________________________ De : fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] De la part de LUIS GARCIA GARCIA Envoy? : jeudi 17 mai 2012 10:43 ? : fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Objet : [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE LEGAL TERMS FOR PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS Dear all, We?ve prepared the applicable terms for the preliminary specifications that are now published in FI-WARE. http://forge.fi-ware.eu/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/FI-WARE_Open_Specifications_Legal_Notice#Copyright_Information We understand that these terms and conditions are in line with clause 4.1 of the CA. Notwithstanding, we invite you to send us your comments/ inputs in order to prepare the final version of these terms. This final version will be applicable to the final FI-WARE specifications. Best regards Luis Garc?a Garc?a Asesoria Jur?dica // Legal Department Tfnos: +34 914832614 // +34913129666 Telef?nica Investigaci?n y Desarrollo, S.A.Unipersonal DISTRITO C- Edificio Oeste 1, 5? planta Ronda de la Comunicaci?n s/n 28050-Madrid (Espa?a) [cid:image002.gif at 01CD3936.B5A4B520] ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.gif Type: image/gif Size: 4903 bytes Desc: image002.gif URL: From jdps at tid.es Fri May 25 11:06:57 2012 From: jdps at tid.es (JAVIER DE PEDRO SANCHEZ) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 11:06:57 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-legal] FI-WARE: Amendment 2 - canceled Message-ID: <8EE61BA0CAEDBD4E9DA928D1206463D2E0D6FCB3BC@EXCLU2K7.hi.inet> Dear all. We have requested the cancelation of the amendment 2 of FI-WARE project to the Commission because we are still working on it and it is impossible to open the NEF session for reporting. This means that it is probably to have the opened session at the end of the last week. I'll tell you as soon as I know it. After reporting period, we'll request again the amendment. BR Javier. [cid:image001.jpg at 01CD3A61.4AD00D40] ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. 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