[Fiware-legal] FIWARE LEGAL NOTICE

[Heitto, Jonas (Jonas)]

Dear Luis,

First, thank you for extending the deadline for comments, which we can see are many.

While it is possible to grant a FRAND license which is royalty free, it's a very different matter to prescribe the granting of FRAND licenses which are royalty free.

In the first case the result of a particular negotiation was that FRAND equals royalty free. But if we prescribe ex ante that the license has to be FRAND and royalty free, there can be no negotiation on the financial terms. The compensation is effectively excluded, is therefore impossible, and not possible (as requested by the CA).

I would like to second Siemens' proposal that the FRAND terms of the patent license be no further specified.

Regards
Jonas


Dr. Jonas Heitto, LL.M.
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From: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of LUIS GARCIA GARCIA
Sent: Mittwoch, 20. März 2013 18:41
To: Glueck-Otte, Irene; Mohr, Werner (NSN - DE/Munich); fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu
Cc: Amon, Peter; Riedl, Johannes
Subject: Re: [Fiware-legal] FIWARE LEGAL NOTICE

Dear Irene and all,

Thanks for you inputs. In order to clarify the Legal Notice Task Force position about the point (FRAND Vs RF) in the explicit grant model, we want to point out that this question was widely discussed among us and we all agreed  that both terms are not incompatible at all. You can grant a RF and FRAND license at the same time.

Please look at the Grant Agreement definition of Fair and Reasonable  Conditions in GA Annex II":

II.1.6. "fair and reasonable conditions" means appropriate conditions including possible financial terms taking into account the specific circumstances of the request for access, for example the
actual or potential value of the foreground or background to which access is requested and/or the scope, duration or other characteristics of the use envisaged;

As you may see Financial terms are configured as a possibility not as a mandatory feature of a FRAND license. If we included RF and FRAND is just to emphasize that all these conditions must be in the license grant.

Royalty free character of this Legal Notice is in the essence of this project and in accordance with the FI-WARE Grant Agreement and Consortium Agreement.

I hope I´ve clarified this legal notice key point

Thanks and regards

Luis García García
Asesoria  Jurídica // Legal Department
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De: Glueck-Otte, Irene [mailto:irene.glueck-otte at siemens.com]
Enviado el: miércoles, 20 de marzo de 2013 16:47
Para: Mohr, Werner (NSN - DE/Munich); LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu
CC: Amon, Peter; Riedl, Johannes
Asunto: AW: [Fiware-legal] FIWARE LEGAL NOTICE

Dear Luis,

we fully endorse the opinion of NSN that the actual text in the version "explicit"  for Patent licenses is inconsistent. A license can be under FRAND-conditions or it can be royalty-free but not both at the same time. However our consequences out of this inconsistency are not the same.

Our proposal is to leave "on fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory conditions" in as it is, but to delete "royalty-free, paid up"

In our view there should be no obligation to grant patent licenses royalty-free.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Kind regards
Irene Glück-Otte

Siemens AG
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Von: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] Im Auftrag von Mohr, Werner (NSN - DE/Munich)
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An: ext LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu>
Betreff: Re: [Fiware-legal] FIWARE LEGAL NOTICE

Dear Luis,

please find attached the commented versions from Nokia Siemens Networks including text changes to improve clarity on the explicit and the implicit legal notice. There are some questions included for clarification.

There are two general comments from the Nokia Siemens Networks perspective as follows:

*        The NSN preference would be (always)  to use the implicit grant.

*        Any use of the explicit patent grant would need case by case assessment.

We are looking forward for a revised version.

                Best regards,

                                Werner


Dr. Werner Mohr
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From: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of ext LUIS GARCIA GARCIA
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:12 PM
To: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu>
Subject: [Fiware-legal] FIWARE LEGAL NOTICE

Dear all,

Find enclosed the two legal notices that have been produced by the Task Force Working Group launched by the FI-WARE PCC for this purpose. These Legal Notices will govern the FI-WARE specifications generated under FI-WARE.

There are two models: with explicit patent grant and implicit patent grant. You may choose the one you prefer for your Specifications as both, in our opinion, perfectly fits with the provisions of the FI-WARE CA and GA.

Notwithstanding, if you have any question or remarks, send them to me before next 20th March, as we must have this FIWARE Legal Notice definitively finished during April.

Best regards

Luis García García
Asesoria  Jurídica // Legal Department
Tfnos: +34 914832614 //  +34913129666
Telefónica Investigación y Desarrollo, S.A.Unipersonal
DISTRITO C- Edificio Oeste 1,  5ª planta
Ronda de la Comunicación s/n
28050-Madrid (España)

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