Dear Colleagues,
based on the e-mail discussion we reviewed the document again. Nokia Siemens Networks is supporting the Siemens position and would also be happy with the FRAND conditions.
Best regards,
Werner
Dr. Werner Mohr
Head of Research Alliances
Nokia Siemens Networks Management International GmbH
CEF T&S IE Research Alliances
St. Martin Strasse 76
81541 Munich
Germany
Office phone: +49-89-5159-35117
Office fax: +49-89-5159-35121
Mobile phone: +49-171-3340 788
e-Mail: werner.mohr at nsn.com<mailto:werner.mohr at nsn.com>
Nokia Siemens Networks Management International GmbH
Geschäftsleitung / Board of Directors: Andreas Sauer, Ralf Dietzel
Sitz der Gesellschaft: München / Registered office: Munich
Registergericht: München / Commercial registry: Munich, HRB 198081
From: ext Glueck-Otte, Irene [mailto:irene.glueck-otte at siemens.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:27 AM
To: LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; Mohr, Werner (NSN - DE/Munich); fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu
Cc: Amon, Peter; Riedl, Johannes; JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA
Subject: AW: [Fiware-legal] FIWARE LEGAL NOTICE
Dear Luis,
I know quite well that FRAND-conditions might be royalty-free under specific circumstances. Here however the fact that patent licenses have to be royalty-free is implemented as a general rule. In this context the additional mentioning of FRAND does not make any sense because the chance to evaluate the situation and to fix a price in accordance with this situation (which might be zero) is already blocked. The text as it is does not make any sense. As far as I remember we had the discussion about royalty-free patent licenses already some months ago and a significant amount of partners have been against royalty-free patent licenses and for patent licenses under FRAND conditions. To be honest I do not see "the essence of the project" that requires mandatory royalty-free licenses.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Irene Glück-Otte
Siemens AG
Corporate Legal and Compliance
CL CS CU CT&IP
Otto-Hahn-Ring 6
81739 München, Deutschland
Tel.: +49 89 636-33276
Fax: +49 89 636-50441
Mobil: +49 1522 2797796
mailto:irene.glueck-otte at siemens.com
Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Roland Busch, Brigitte Ederer, Klaus Helmrich, Joe Kaeser, Barbara Kux, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen, Michael Süß; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München, Deutschland; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322
Von: LUIS GARCIA GARCIA [mailto:lgg at tid.es]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. März 2013 18:41
An: Glueck-Otte, Irene; Mohr, Werner (NSN - DE/Munich); fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu>
Cc: Amon, Peter; Riedl, Johannes; JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA
Betreff: RE: [Fiware-legal] FIWARE LEGAL NOTICE
Dear Irene and all,
Thanks for you inputs. In order to clarify the Legal Notice Task Force position about the point (FRAND Vs RF) in the explicit grant model, we want to point out that this question was widely discussed among us and we all agreed that both terms are not incompatible at all. You can grant a RF and FRAND license at the same time.
Please look at the Grant Agreement definition of Fair and Reasonable Conditions in GA Annex II":
II.1.6. "fair and reasonable conditions" means appropriate conditions including possible financial terms taking into account the specific circumstances of the request for access, for example the
actual or potential value of the foreground or background to which access is requested and/or the scope, duration or other characteristics of the use envisaged;
As you may see Financial terms are configured as a possibility not as a mandatory feature of a FRAND license. If we included RF and FRAND is just to emphasize that all these conditions must be in the license grant.
Royalty free character of this Legal Notice is in the essence of this project and in accordance with the FI-WARE Grant Agreement and Consortium Agreement.
I hope I´ve clarified this legal notice key point
Thanks and regards
Luis García García
Asesoria Jurídica // Legal Department
Tfnos: +34 914832614 // +34913129666
Telefónica Investigación y Desarrollo, S.A.Unipersonal
DISTRITO C- Edificio Oeste 1, 5ª planta
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28050-Madrid (España)
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De: Glueck-Otte, Irene [mailto:irene.glueck-otte at siemens.com]
Enviado el: miércoles, 20 de marzo de 2013 16:47
Para: Mohr, Werner (NSN - DE/Munich); LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu>
CC: Amon, Peter; Riedl, Johannes
Asunto: AW: [Fiware-legal] FIWARE LEGAL NOTICE
Dear Luis,
we fully endorse the opinion of NSN that the actual text in the version "explicit" for Patent licenses is inconsistent. A license can be under FRAND-conditions or it can be royalty-free but not both at the same time. However our consequences out of this inconsistency are not the same.
Our proposal is to leave "on fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory conditions" in as it is, but to delete "royalty-free, paid up"
In our view there should be no obligation to grant patent licenses royalty-free.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Kind regards
Irene Glück-Otte
Siemens AG
Corporate Legal and Compliance
CL CS CU CT&IP
Otto-Hahn-Ring 6
81739 München, Deutschland
Tel.: +49 89 636-33276
Fax: +49 89 636-50441
Mobil: +49 1522 2797796
mailto:irene.glueck-otte at siemens.com
Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Roland Busch, Brigitte Ederer, Klaus Helmrich, Joe Kaeser, Barbara Kux, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen, Michael Süß; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München, Deutschland; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322
Von: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] Im Auftrag von Mohr, Werner (NSN - DE/Munich)
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. März 2013 13:13
An: ext LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu>
Betreff: Re: [Fiware-legal] FIWARE LEGAL NOTICE
Dear Luis,
please find attached the commented versions from Nokia Siemens Networks including text changes to improve clarity on the explicit and the implicit legal notice. There are some questions included for clarification.
There are two general comments from the Nokia Siemens Networks perspective as follows:
* The NSN preference would be (always) to use the implicit grant.
* Any use of the explicit patent grant would need case by case assessment.
We are looking forward for a revised version.
Best regards,
Werner
Dr. Werner Mohr
Head of Research Alliances
Nokia Siemens Networks Management International GmbH
CEF T&S IE Research Alliances
St. Martin Strasse 76
81541 Munich
Germany
Office phone: +49-89-5159-35117
Office fax: +49-89-5159-35121
Mobile phone: +49-171-3340 788
e-Mail: werner.mohr at nsn.com<mailto:werner.mohr at nsn.com>
Nokia Siemens Networks Management International GmbH
Geschäftsleitung / Board of Directors: Andreas Sauer, Ralf Dietzel
Sitz der Gesellschaft: München / Registered office: Munich
Registergericht: München / Commercial registry: Munich, HRB 198081
From: fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-legal-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of ext LUIS GARCIA GARCIA
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:12 PM
To: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu>
Subject: [Fiware-legal] FIWARE LEGAL NOTICE
Dear all,
Find enclosed the two legal notices that have been produced by the Task Force Working Group launched by the FI-WARE PCC for this purpose. These Legal Notices will govern the FI-WARE specifications generated under FI-WARE.
There are two models: with explicit patent grant and implicit patent grant. You may choose the one you prefer for your Specifications as both, in our opinion, perfectly fits with the provisions of the FI-WARE CA and GA.
Notwithstanding, if you have any question or remarks, send them to me before next 20th March, as we must have this FIWARE Legal Notice definitively finished during April.
Best regards
Luis García García
Asesoria Jurídica // Legal Department
Tfnos: +34 914832614 // +34913129666
Telefónica Investigación y Desarrollo, S.A.Unipersonal
DISTRITO C- Edificio Oeste 1, 5ª planta
Ronda de la Comunicación s/n
28050-Madrid (España)
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