Hi, Am 01.09.2013 06:59, schrieb Toni Alatalo: > just a brief note that all that sounds very cool, and about some of > the work done here so far: > > Besides the campus party preparations, we have started the actual > platform implementation work from the opposite end: > > 1. by implementing one of the technical use cases, the dynamic > n-player Pong. With three.js & ammo.js (bullet compiled with > emscripten) without any entity-model first. There's also an > experimental networked version using WebRTC for the bat & ball > positions sync. Idea is to then keep porting the use case to the > generations of the platform which should make the game implementation > both easier and better. I think we could have many this kind of > minimal technical use cases / tests, even 10-20 (many could be much > simpler than even the pong is). We are using WebRTC already for cloud rendering which works nicely as well. We have not used it for the synchronization yet, but this is certainly on the list of things to do. > and 2. by making a performance test for using DOM vs. pure JS for all > the synchronised application/scene data. First result is that using > the DOM is ~300x slower but the question whether it's still fast > enough needs more analysis still. Can you make your test cases available? There are very different things that need to be done to a scene graph and depending on the operation the overhead will be very different. 300x seems way off -- unless you may be doing something like geometry manipulation through DOM string attributes (which we obviously are not doing because we use Xflow). We should resolve this quickly. > Outside FI-WARE, the new version of the high-detail Oulu 3d city > model has progressed a lot during the past months and weeks, we > (well the modelling companies doing it) are integrating it together > starting Monday so we can use it for rendering performance & > scalability etc. testing and improvements on the platform side soon. > We probably get to start the tests next week anyhow at least with the > old much smaller & simpler model now that the campus party > preparations are mostly done AFAIK. It would be great to also get access to these models (in whatever format). As you know, we have integrated loading of external resources directly from XML3D, with the option of converting between different formats on the fly. So, while one could convert the entire model into a format that XML3D can read, the best option would be to store it somewhere and provide a RESTful interface. Then any XML3D scene could simply reference these models directly and asynchronously load them when needed. Another option this enables is the inclusion of such models into the new POI we could also see that we reference such models from our new POI scheme we are developing, which allows to directly reference arbitrary (even animated) 3D scenes. > We'll put more info about these and the pointers to the codes > available before the meeting using the new mifi-list, let's continue > the discussion there. Yes, we should move the discussion over, now that it seems to be active. Actually, I am copying this email also to this list. Anyone who is not getting two copies of this email should talk to Christof to get added to the list. Also see his other email about administrative things that need to be done -- if you have not done so yet. One issues that I have contemplated with Christof is to add smaller, more targeted lists. There are many people on the list that not all will be interested in everything. KIARA already has a separate email list, obviously. A WeX specific list and maybe even some even more targeted (e.g. server/client and core/app, or even a GE-specific one each) might make sense. Even more importantly: Now that we also have the Wiki up and running we need to urgently start writing up our architecture and definition of the GEs. The deadline is end of this month. Since there will certainly be discussion on how to best organize it, we need to get early versions up and running as fast as possible. Christof is setting up a template that we can then build upon and fill in with content. Best, Philipp > > Cheers, > ~Toni > > On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Philipp Slusallek <Philipp.Slusallek at dfki.de> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Sorry but I had other meetings yesterday and could not joint on such a >> short notice (morning would have worked for me, though). >> >> I appreciate the work into doing this competition but would suggest that >> we also make clear that the FI-WARE goal is a fully integrated version >> of the Adv-UI technology using our service-oriented approach and a >> modular architecture with all the different Epics of our Adv-UI. >> >> Over the last months we have been very active on our side and now have a >> first synchronization framework that uses the ECA model (based on the >> realXtend model) for its data and uses the KIARA framework for the >> network synchronization. We are currently connecting this to XML3D such >> that a demos/competition like the one that is planned for London will be >> very easily possible and be fully integrated with HTML-5 and XML3D on >> the client side. >> >> We also have some very interesting new POI technology (that we developed >> for FI-C2) that brings together GIS and GPS location, various forms of >> AR markers, XML3D based, animated, and interactive 3D models, as well as >> IoT data streams (not implemented yet). >> >> We also have our own very light-weight sync server now but the framework >> should be easily usable also from realXtend such that we should be able >> use it as a server as well. Thus, we would already have two independent >> instances of a synch server for WP13. >> >> We also are still planning to integrate the highly scalable Intel DSG >> technology into our server once the basic functionality is done. This is >> also where we want to connect the sync functionality/server with other, >> independent services such as server-based rendering, etc. >> >> After London we should set up a (virtual?) meeting and see how we can >> best integrate all the pieces that we have so far. Hopefully we will >> finally have the Wiki infrastructure and email lists working by then. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Philipp >> >> P.S.: Please also keep Torsten Spieldenner in the loop (in CC, you know >> him from Winterthur) as he will be helping me from the technical side in >> WP13. >> >> Am 29.08.2013 17:53, schrieb Erno Kuusela: >>> Here are my notes from the confcall, biased toward >>> workshop part 1 people. Maybe others can correct if i misunderstood >>> or missed something. >>> >>> - the onsite challenge most relevant for us is "best web based ui", >>> (reads also @ http://www.campus-party.eu/2013/fi-ware.html) >>> >>> - campuseros can participate/get prizes with same entry for global compo >>> as well as the onsite challenge >>> >>> - network: no wifi - wired only >>> >>> - 9 am friday is the challenge entry deadline, after that evaluation/judging >>> >>> - workshop area takes 50 ppl and 40 (or 14?) ppl already - possible >>> that have to implement a waiting list or other measures for dealing >>> with overcrowding >>> >>> - there's an area reserved for the hackathon >>> >>> - meeting about workshop tuesday ~ 19:00? >>> >>> other challenge catagories onsite (in this hackathon) >>> - best cloud app >>> - best iot related app >>> - best developer under 21 >>> >>> same entry can compete in multiple categories so we should >>> look into building apps that talk to the iot sensor based stuff, >>> will find out onsite what kind of sensor things are available. >>> >>> other hackathons >>> - hacking for something better >>> http://www.campus-party.eu/2013/H4SB.html >>> >>> Erno >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Deutsches Forschungszentrum für Künstliche Intelligenz (DFKI) GmbH >> Trippstadter Strasse 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern >> >> Geschäftsführung: >> Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. 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