Dear Juanjo I can't say I am 100% happy with everything but I think we could live with this version as a starting point Just 2 points, I have not had time to go through the whole document again : 1. A potential conflict between ETSI policies (that prescribe FRAND licences) and the provision of an open source reference implementation (which he says is not at all usual for ETSI) has been cited by my colleague Vincent Danno (cced). Did you discuss this with Mr Romero? 2. This paragraph in the "scope" section Task Force on Cross-domain Data Models that will define the metamodels, definition languages and processes for the specification, curation, publication and evolution of data models, as well as to manage the domains where the models will be defined and applied Is much too broad in its embrace, (one may think you define data models for everything...) unless you understand it in the ...context of everything that is written before, but I think it should stand on its own : I would have proposed to call it "cross-domain IoT data models" , I know you prefer to avoid this for tactical reasons, so I would still propose to qualify a little bit to make it more specific : Task Force on Cross-domain Physical Context Data Models that will define the generic categories that can serve as common denominators between all domains being targeted, together with the metamodels, definition languages and processes for the specification, curation, publication and evolution of data models, as well as to manage the domains where the models will be defined and applied.. [http://www.francetelecom.com/sirius/logos_mail/orange_logo.gif] Gilles Privat, PhD Senior Scientist Orange Labs, Grenoble M2M, Internet of Things, Smart Cities gilles.privat at orange.com<mailto:gilles.privat at orange.com> office +33 4 38 42 86 16 mobile +33 6 71 17 64 60 twitter @gilles_privat http://research.orange.com/en/page-author/gilles-privat/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/gillesprivat http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gilles_Privat/ 28 Chemin du Vieux Chêne BP 98 38243 Meylan, France De : fiware-oasc-etsi-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-oasc-etsi-bounces at lists.fiware.org] De la part de Juanjo Hierro Envoyé : vendredi 11 mars 2016 18:01 À : Franck Le Gall; Fiware-oasc-etsi at lists.fiware.org Objet : Re: [Fiware-oasc-etsi] Moving forward regarding creation of the ISG on standards for smart digital infrastructures at ETSI Hi, Thanks Franck for your comments, they have been just implemented (I dropped the unfinished sentence) Any other comments regarding the document? I plan to send this document this evening. Cheers! -- Juanjo ______________________________________________________ Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform CTO Industrial IoT, Telefónica email: juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com<mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> twitter: @JuanjoHierro You can follow FIWARE at: website: http://www.fiware.org twitter: @FIWARE facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 11/03/16 10:33, Franck Le Gall wrote: Hi I went through the doc. Section2: A sentence is unfinished: "In addition, standards will encourage XXX" Sections 4 & 16 I replaced "ETSI oneM2M" by " ETSI SmartM2M and oneM2M" as oneM2M is not an ETSI committee. Otherwise, It looks OK for me to be circulated to get first reactions Franck De : fiware-oasc-etsi-bounces at lists.fiware.org<mailto:fiware-oasc-etsi-bounces at lists.fiware.org> [mailto:fiware-oasc-etsi-bounces at lists.fiware.org] De la part de Juanjo Hierro Envoyé : vendredi 11 mars 2016 08:38 À : Fiware-oasc-etsi at lists.fiware.org<mailto:Fiware-oasc-etsi at lists.fiware.org> Objet : Re: [Fiware-oasc-etsi] Moving forward regarding creation of the ISG on standards for smart digital infrastructures at ETSI Dear all, I have completed the revised version of the ISG Terms of Reference. You can see the document shared in Google docs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h8JiG0jbyJh_OphJxfzBz3uw2dsgWD-b1C4GorAJi9A/edit?usp=sharing Regarding the rationale, I mostly put the things in the right order: first elaborate on the general need and then explain that the case for cities, leveraging on OASC, comes as a front-runner. For this change of just placement, I didn't activate changes tracking to avoid too much "noise", then activate tracking afterwards so that you can see more clearly what was changed. I have also added sections within the rationale describing relevance to the Digitisalization of Industry (this brings a nice connection to the Digitising European Industry initiative by the EC) and to the concept of Economy of Data (also relevant within the Digital Single Market strategy and an area where cities, IMHO, are called to becomen enablers). I changed the name because nobody was really that happy and wanted it to be more focused, therefore I focused on "Context Information Management (CIM)" because this is a term actually used in the text describing the Action identified under the 2016 Rolling Plan on ICT standardization by the EC, also the term used in some discussions within the DEI (Digitising the European Industry) Action. At this time, I would kindly ask all of you to be pragmatic. We are very late and people is pressing us in all fronts: ETSI, the EC, ... We need to send it out NOW if we wish to arrive with the ISG approved before the week of April 11. That would be a rather good announcement we could bring to the IES-City Framework Workshop meeting in Rome and the NetFutures event in Brussels. We cannot get blocked on just the acronym. Let's submit the proposal to the ETSI secretariat and if we come with something significantly better, we can clearly submit that change on time, but the discussion with the ETSI secretariat had already started. I remind you that text in Blue (besides the entire section on Rationale) is what is specific of our ISG ToR. Rest of text in blank comes from a template for this ToR documents. It brings rules that are typically adopted in ISGs. The ETSI DG told us that if those rules are respected, it is very hard to object to creation of an ISG. Best regards, -- Juanjo ______________________________________________________ Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform CTO Industrial IoT, Telefónica email: juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com<mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> twitter: @JuanjoHierro You can follow FIWARE at: website: http://www.fiware.org twitter: @FIWARE facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 10/03/16 22:27, Juanjo Hierro wrote: Hi, I'm working on producing a revised version of the draft tonight. If people agree with the changes I will propose by EOB tomorrow, then we can send it to the ETSI secretariat for comments. I guess there will be some interactions with them until we get something finished, so that should allow to introduce also additional comments on our own if necessary. Cheers, -- juanjo ______________________________________________________ Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform CTO Industrial IoT, Telefónica email: juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com<mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> twitter: @JuanjoHierro You can follow FIWARE at: website: http://www.fiware.org twitter: @FIWARE facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 10/03/16 22:02, Franck Le Gall wrote: Hi Are we still in-line to get the text circulated to ETSI ISG core group this week ? Is any help needed to finalize it ? Franck De : fiware-oasc-etsi-bounces at lists.fiware.org<mailto:fiware-oasc-etsi-bounces at lists.fiware.org> [mailto:fiware-oasc-etsi-bounces at lists.fiware.org] De la part de Juanjo Hierro Envoyé : dimanche 6 mars 2016 20:42 À : Fiware-oasc-etsi at lists.fiware.org<mailto:Fiware-oasc-etsi at lists.fiware.org> Objet : [Fiware-oasc-etsi] Moving forward regarding creation of the ISG on standards for smart digital infrastructures at ETSI Hi all, Last week I had a meeting with Mr. Luis Jorge Romero, DG of ETSI, whom I briefed about creation of the ISG under way. Feedback was very positive and I believe we can count on his support. His perfectly aware about the strategic interest and the support from the EC. He is also very supportive about ETSI being the forum where we could push the specification of standards aiming at creating a Digital Single Market for Smart Services and Solutions, Smart Cities being the frontrunner domain but also addressing a wider scope covering domains such as smart industry, smart agrifood, etc. Luis Jorge Romero confirmed me that the procedure for creation of the ISG is simple and doesn't need to be tied to a face to face meeting of the ETSI Board: it is the DG of ETSI who approves the creation of any ISG, obviously after positive feedback from the ETSI Secretariat core ISG advisor team (Hermann Brand, Christian Loyau the Legal Director, David Boswarthick/Committee Standards Support Direct and Patrick Guillemin) and following a two-week consultation process (which is not binding) with the ETSI Board members. This consultation of the ETSI Board can run without the need to start or close with a face to face meeting. He doesn't foreseen objections and, in any case, those should come with very solid arguments. As far as we adopt the rules of functioning of ISGs (which I guess we comply with given the fact that we have based our ISG on an example of a previously approved ISG) there shouldn't be any reason why this as any other ISG can be created. Of course, it would be advisable to socialize with ETSI Board members enough in advance, so some of them can respond positively as soon as the ISG proposal is announced by the ETSI DG and comments are requested, since this would help in creating a good momentum. I was also approached by Jesús Villasante and Emilio Davila last week. Both passed the message of the urgency to move quickly. They support the vision about running an ISG with a wide scope, at the light of the recent statements of support to FIWARE from Roberto Viola and Commissioner Oettinger, highlighting its potential role in actions about Digitising the European Industry which you know is considered key within the Digital Single Market Strategy. Emilio wishes to include a reference about creation of the ETSI ISG in the next edition of the Standardization Rolling Plan. I plan to review the latest version of the ISG text that I understand is still available as Google share doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h8JiG0jbyJh_OphJxfzBz3uw2dsgWD-b1C4GorAJi9A/edit?usp=sharing The current text has all the pieces but not in the right order in my opinion: we should elaborate on the wider need and then explain that Smart Cities will be one of the frontrunners domains, there highlighting the connection to the OASC initiative and also bringing reference to the text of the Standardization Rolling Plan. This instead of the other way around (i.e., as it is in the current version). Let's move ahead and get the ISG submitted to the ETSI Secretariat core ISG advisor team mid of this week at the latest. Hopefully get the ISG proposal submitted by mid March to the ETSI DG. Cheers, -- Juanjo ______________________________________________________ Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform CTO Industrial IoT, Telefónica email: juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com<mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> twitter: @JuanjoHierro You can follow FIWARE at: website: http://www.fiware.org twitter: @FIWARE facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 ________________________________ Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. 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