Stefano.. as I wrote, CloudWave is planning to use the same infrastructure technology (Open Stack), and extensions can be shared across the two projects. This, to me, seems a fair level of alignment. I assume the PCC will discuss and come to a decision, one way or another, on the letters of support. Reg Yaron From: stefano de panfilis <stefano.depanfilis at eng.it> To: Yaron Wolfsthal/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL Cc: "fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu" <fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu>, fiware-pcc-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu, JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO <jimenez at tid.es> Date: 14/12/2011 06:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fiware-pcc] Support letters Sent by: ste.depanfilis at gmail.com dear yaron, i never said other projects should write code for fi-ware, but certainly they have to produce something that is complaint with fi-ware architectural principles, this means generic enablers. so i agree with what you said what eventually produced by your project can be used within fi-ware, but this is can only be true if the architectural principles are the same. otherwise, we can endorse whatever project is submitted in 1.2 becouse most, if not all, of them will address not only future internet, but also portions of our architecture, as by definitions we address all of them. isn't it? ciao, stefano 2011/12/14 Yaron Wolfsthal <WOLFSTAL at il.ibm.com> Hi Stefano and all. I am writing this email wearing my CloudWave hat.. as well as a FI-Ware PCC member. FI-Ware is a central project in the European R&D arena. Therefore it is understandable that other project initiatives are influenced by it. In the case of CloudWave, we purposely selected "Open Stack" the cloud infrastructure technology as the virtualization and storage foundation, because this is the same cloud infrastructure technology which FI-Ware is using. It goes without saying that all contributions of CloudWave (if accepted) to the Open Stack package can be also used by FI-Ware. That would be a successful point of exploitation for CloudWave, and we would like it a lot to happen. To some degree we can control it because IBM is also the leader of cloud hosting in FI-Ware. However, I think it is not appropriate to demand that CloudWave (or the other projects) will dedicate task and resources to "Developing Code for FI-Ware" in exchange for a letter of support. Even when a standards organization provides a letter of support, they do not condition their support on resource allocation. These kind of collaborations are most successful when they are based on mutual interest, not on written obligations. Regards -Yaron From: stefano de panfilis <stefano.depanfilis at eng.it> To: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO <jimenez at tid.es> Cc: "fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu" <fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu> Date: 14/12/2011 05:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fiware-pcc] Support letters Sent by: fiware-pcc-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu dear pepe and all, honestly this is little bit strange. i do understand we (fi-ware) are a "powerfull organisation", but what does it mean our endorsement/letter of support? i think we can do that only if the project commit to build a/some generic enabler/s in line with the fi-ware architectural principles, otherwise i do not understand the meaning and the reason for our support. basically, my concern is that we are not a sort of standardisation body, but a project which committs to deliver and deploy working software for the benefit of the wide fi community at its end. if the projects provide such committment (this means clear effort and task dedicated) than i'm very much in favour to support them with a letter. ciao, stefano 2011/12/14 JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO <jimenez at tid.es> Information provided by ETRA ---- Jose Jimenez Telefonica I+D jimenez at tid.es tf +34 91 4832660 De: fiware-pcc-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto: fiware-pcc-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] En nombre de JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO Enviado el: miércoles, 14 de diciembre de 2011 12:28 Para: 'Nuria De-Lama Sanchez'; 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' Asunto: Re: [Fiware-pcc] Support letters I send you the information provided by Alcatel BR ---- Jose Jimenez Telefonica I+D jimenez at tid.es tf +34 91 4832660 De: Nuria De-Lama Sanchez [mailto:nuria.delama at atosresearch.eu] Enviado el: miércoles, 14 de diciembre de 2011 11:11 Para: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu Asunto: RE: [Fiware-pcc] Support letters I understand there is no problem in supporting the Projects if they go in line with FI-WARE. However it would be good to have the text of the letter so that we can check the commitment expressed there and be aware of the kind of support we are providing. Of course we trust you to make such an assessment, since we do not have information about the proposals to evaluate such alignment. Thanks! Nuria de Lama Atos Research & Innovation Representative to the European Commission T +34 91214 9321 F +34 91754 3252 nuria.delama at atosresearch.eu Albarracín 25 28037 Madrid Spain www.atosresearch.eu es.atos.net From: fiware-pcc-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto: fiware-pcc-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO Sent: miércoles, 14 de diciembre de 2011 9:28 To: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' Subject: [Fiware-pcc] Support letters Dear PCC We have received request from several proposals to send them a support letter 1.- ETRA for a project on TRISTAN (TRustworthy, Interoperable and Secure Technologies and Architecture for heterogeneous Networked, service and computing environments) 2.- FIRE-limits ?Exploring the limits of the Internet using FIRE facilities? lead by Alcatel 3.- CloudWave. feedback-based self-adaptation methods for cloud apps lead by IBM All projects seems to me very much in line with FIWARE objectives and I think we should proceed with the letters. 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