From jhierro at tid.es Wed May 2 07:55:10 2012 From: jhierro at tid.es (Juanjo Hierro) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 07:55:10 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] PLEASE READ Fwd: Document reflecting FI-PPP AB Discussion on issues regarding FI-PPP phases 2 and 3 In-Reply-To: <4F9E3AB4.1030703@tid.es> References: <4F9E3AB4.1030703@tid.es> Message-ID: <4FA0CC3E.1050402@tid.es> Hi all, Despite I guess that all of you are totally focused in the short-term milestones we are facing in FI-WARE, I would like to call your attention on a new and rather relevant topic. The FI-PPP AB has agreed that it would be important to clarify what the different roles and responsibilities of the different projects should be during phases 2 and 3 of the FI-PPP programme. The current Work Programme leaves some space to interpretation that we believe would be important to avoid, overall now that proposals to phase 2 will be under development. Among other things, regarding what they can expect from FI-WARE during the period that the project overlaps with phase, probably during second half of year 2, mostly year 3 of the FI-WARE project. But also with regard to the Technology Foundation continuation project that will come after FI-WARE, aiming to provide support to running trials in phase 2 of the program. Another important aspect to clarify is what is going to be the responsibilities of Trial projects and the Capacity Building project in phase 2. The goal is to develop a document that would be made publicly available sometime during May, most probably on the FI-PPP web site maintained by CONCORD. Such document should be used as some sort of "Terms of Reference" by proposers to the FI-PPP phase 2 call due on October this year. A draft of this document is already available, which is based on a first paper produced by INFINITY where we have added input coming as the result of some discussions that have taken place in recent FI-PPP AB meetings. In the attached mail, you can find a calendar of the steps that will be followed until the final document to be published is ready. As you will see, FI-PPP AB members were entitled to share the current draft with members of the consortia of the projects they represent in order to gather early feedback, mostly about strong disagreements/showstoppers. This is what I'm doing with you through this email. Nevertheless, there will be a second round of official comments on the consolidated draft, revised by the FI-PPP AB, that will be delivered by mid next week (i.e., May 9th) In order to collect early feedback from FI-WARE partners, I have produced an internal copy of the existing draft that we can not only comment but edit collaboratively. You can find it at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QgqZwWSzi5zxhNxACd8lRBzvgXlojswronVQOfJNF4I/edit Please take your time to review the document and try to provide your early feedback before end of this week. Do it on our internal copy. Probably you may wish to share this document with members of your team, since to some extend it elaborates on aspects that will affect anyone who is behind an implementation of a GE in FI-WARE and, consequently, will have to provide support on it. Best regards, -- Juanjo Hierro ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Document reflecting FI-PPP AB Discussion on issues regarding FI-PPP phases 2 and 3 (jhierro at tid.es) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:09:40 +0200 From: Juanjo Hierro To: ab at fi-ppp.eu Hi all, It took more time that I expected, but finally I was able to compile a document regarding trade-offs and responsibilities in phases 2 and 3 of the FI-PPP programme. You should have received an email with the attached content from juanjose.hierro at gmail.com. If not, it is because you are not in the list I used for adding commentators, which is below my signature in this message. This has came at a very tough time where I have had to deal with a lot of things regarding the FI-WARE project. That's why I haven't been able to deliver it earlier. I apologize for the accumulated delay and I hope you will be indulgent enough. I believe I have been able to capture most of the content from the INFINITY original white paper as well as the agreements during discussions of the FI-PPP AB in Zurich. Please take into account that none of its contents should be considered "binding" by any project (including FI-WARE) at this moment. Nevertheless, it was agreed that the document doesn't need to be public right before the call for FI-PPP phase 2 is published, just soon enough (I would say before May). In the meantime, I will share the fact that we are preparing this document with the EC and start the discussion about how it should be published (who, where). At this point and following what was agreed during our last virtual meeting, but updating the dates for the different milestones, it is supposed that: 1. All of us will review the document and provide comments. I would suggest to re-plan the original milestone for collecting this comments to become end of this week (May 13th, EOB) so that I can produce a consolidated version by mid next week, i.e. May 16th EOB. 2. In the meantime, you can share this with your consortia if you wish to, in order to gather early feedback from them although you should mark it as being still in draft and under revision by members of the FI-PPP AB until mid next week. 3. Once we produce a consolidated version signed off by members of the FI-PPP AB, it will be delivered to the different consortia members for final official collection of comments. I would suggest closing this process by May 25th EOB so that we can produce a final document along the following week. If any of you disagree with this process and milestones, please let me know. I added the following list as explicit address able to comment on the document, despite I'm afraid (s)he has to sign-in in google docs ... I have kept editorial privileges on me because this time I guess we should be more careful and centralize the editing. Anyone with the link can view it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rglCQvPDIJi2FSQPlt3yIS_YugIwXvRU9b2CLlRlYPs/edit If anyone has another proposal on how I should assign the right privileges, please let me know. I look forward your comments on the document or feedback to this message. Best regards, -- Juanjo Hierro P.S.: The list of people I have registered to be able to comment on the document in Google docs: Adrie.Beulens at wur.nl andreas.metzger at paluno.uni-due.de Arne.J.Berre at sintef.no bosco.fernandes at huawei.com Denis.Havlik at ait.ac.at denis.mischler at technicolor.com elio.salvadori at create-net.org fano.ramparany at orange.com jaakko.talvitie at tivit.fi jani.kaarlejarvi at tivit.fi johannes.riedl at siemens.com jhierro at tid.es K.Moessner at surrey.ac.uk kolja.eger at siemens.com martin.2.wagner at atosresearch.eu michael.stollberg at sap.com ms at it-innovation.soton.ac.uk peretz at athenaiss.com roberto.gavazzi at telecomitalia.it slusallek at dfki.de stefan.arbanowski at fokus.fraunhofer.de susanna.avessta at tivit.fi thierry.nagellen at orange.com Tobias.Schlauch at dlr.de -------- Original Message -------- [Document] I've shared FI-PPP AB Discussion on issues regarding FI-PPP phases 2 and 3 Click to open: * FI-PPP AB Discussion on issues regarding FI-PPP phases 2 and 3 Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online documents, spreadsheets and presentations. [Logo for Google Docs] ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at. http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhierro at tid.es Thu May 3 09:16:16 2012 From: jhierro at tid.es (Juanjo Hierro) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 09:16:16 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] Report on status of first FI-WARE Open Call Message-ID: <4FA230C0.2030106@tid.es> Hi all, A brief summary of where we are regarding the first FI-WARE Open Call: We received (see attached file for more details): * 5 proposals to the BM&BE topic * 12 proposals to the Middleware topic I believe we can consider this rather a success !! On the other hand, the number of proposals is still manageable (I have to confess this was something I was rather worried about :-) Now we have launch the evaluation process involving independent reviewers. The calendar to be followed is slightly different from one topic to the other, but adopt the same schema: * Regarding the BM&BE topic: * Deadline for acceptance by evaluators - 04/05/12 12:00pm * Self-training (about FI-WARE project) by evaluators - 04/05/12 - 07/05/12 * Audio conference involving FI-WARE team representatives and evaluators - 08/05/2012 * Assignment of Proposals for review and start of evaluation - 08/05/12 * Evaluation of proposals - 08/05/12 - 14/05/12 * Evaluation forms filled by each evaluator and sent to subsidies at tid.es: 14/05/12 * Virtual meeting for consensus and individual proposal's Evaluation Summary Reports elaboration - 16/05/2012 * Edition of Open Call Evaluation Report (to be carried out by FI-WARE) - 16/05/12 - 31/05/12 * Open Call Evaluation Report sent to the EC (to be carried out by FI-WARE) - 31/05/12 * Regarding the middleware topic: * Deadline for acceptance by evaluators (you) - 04/05/12 12:00pm * Self-training (about FI-WARE project) by evaluators - 04/05/12 - 07/05/12 * Audio conference involving FI-WARE team representatives and evaluators - 08/05/2012 * Assignment of Proposals for review and start of evaluation - 08/05/12 * Evaluation of proposals - 08/05/12 - 15/05/12 * Evaluation forms filled by each evaluator and sent to subsidies at tid.es: 15/05/12 * Virtual meeting for consensus and individual proposal's Evaluation Summary Reports elaboration - 17/05/2012 * Edition of Open Call Evaluation Report (to be carried out by FI-WARE) - 17/05/12 - 31/05/12 * Open Call Evaluation Report sent to the EC (to be carried out by FI-WARE) - 31/05/12 Independent evaluators have been defined for each topic: * Regarding the BM&BE topic: * Invited evaluators: Florian Urmetzer (Accenture), Man-Sze Li (IC Focus, FI-WARE project reviewer) * backup evaluators: Volker Hoyer (Bertelsmann) * Regarding the Middleware topic: * Invited evaluators: Schahram Dustdar (Vienna Univ), Rafael Navajo (GMV), Dominic Greenwood (Whitestein Technologies AG, FI-WARE project reviewer) * backup evaluators: Lutz Schubert (University of Stuttgart), Dora Varvarigou (NTUA) I'll keep you informed about progress. I would like to get SAP's team involved in the BM&BE evaluation process (particularly in the confcall planned for May 8th where they would have the opportunity to share their expectations with the evaluators, but also during the consensus building meeting). Also Stefano as second representative in the FI-PPP AB. Of course, anyone else is welcome. Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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For the technical deliverables, my feeling and the feedback from IoT team is that we never have the ToC on time, which is normally 2 months before to deliver the final version, and when we have the ToC, guidelines are always moving especially during the last 2 weeks because the technical chapters did not really apply the guidelines (or because we are not able to manage correctly the consistency between chapters). In the case of these technical deliverables, the rule we apply is that Telefonica is the Editor because Telefonica is the chief architect. My main question here is: what is the role of WP2 till the beginning of the project? Could we use this place to prepare and discuss the ToC together in this place and maintain it or just small changes to avoid writing something in a rush at the last minute? We could also define the GANTT with the expected deliverables and when the ToC should be ready. For the classical deliverables, there are not managed as a first priority till now and we have the same concern regarding the ToC definition and who is responsible of what. Very often the only names put in a deliverable are WP Leader or WP Architect and each technical team has to manage partner's contribution. When the same partners are involved in several WPs, it is very difficult to coordinate contributions and at the end to reach a good quality for the deliverable. What should be clearly stated is that if the skeleton of the deliverable is moving, the editor is responsible to adapt previous contribution to the new framework and not to ask 70 people to do the same work twice or three times. For both categories of deliverables, wiki format is for me not the right format to have working document. To track changes or to put right formats take too much time especially when we change the skeleton. Furthermore, we have no clear rules first for the private deliverables how they will be published on the wiki (I've sent a previous email on this subject for exploitation deliverable but did not receive any answer) and how the existing public information is managed and by whom to introduce some changes. I think all these points are also of my responsibility as WP leader because we spend too much time to write several times the same content in different ways, we are late for all deliverables and we create lots of noise around technical tasks and middleware we have to deliver. We will have to explain all these points to the Commission in 2 months so we have to identify solutions and be able to improve our project management to avoid any crisis with the Commission. I'm opened for any suggestions but my first proposals are the following: * Organize WP2 meetings to define ToC and guidelines for technical deliverables * Provide a GANTT for all further deliverables * Use mainly word document to be able to track easily all changes and for private deliverables * Based on the ToC allow responsibilities to editor and main contributors Best regards. Thierry Nagellen Program Manager Future Internet Orange Labs Networks & Carriers 905 rue Albert Einstein 06921 Sophia Antipolis Cedex +33 492 94 52 84 +33 679 85 08 44 New email address: thierry.nagellen at orange.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stefano.depanfilis at eng.it Fri May 4 11:09:56 2012 From: stefano.depanfilis at eng.it (stefano de panfilis) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:09:56 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Concerns with deliverables process and content... and solutions to identify before review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: dear thierry, thank you for rising so important issues! i agree the toc should be agreed basically at the start of the work on the specific task, to avoid people to loose time on unnecessary aspects of the work, and i agree also that wp2 should lead the discussion on this aspect for what concerns technical deliverables. i also suggest to distribute the assement of the deliverable between people, normally two rewing persons outside the specific wp or outside the team who actually wrote the deliverable, to speed-up the actual submission of deliverables. using word (standaolne text based editors) is against the phylosophy of the project that we all agree since the beginning. changing this policy is a matter of the pcc, but i'm reluctant to do so. by the way, there is aspecific function which allows you to check the changes made per each wiki page. 2012/5/4 > Dear all,**** > > ** ** > > I would raise here a main concern regarding how we are managing our > deliverables. Basically and since the beginning of the project we are late > for all deliverables and it will be a strong concern for our Project > Officer and our reviewers in less than 2 months during the review.**** > > ** ** > > We can split our deliverables into 2 categories: technical deliverables > where all technical chapters have to provide their own content, and > classical deliverables directly related to a dedicated WP.**** > > ** ** > > F or the t feeling and the feedback from IoT team is that we never have > the ToC on time, which is normally 2 months before to deliver the final > version, and when we have the ToC, guidelines are always moving especially > during the last 2 weeks because the technical chapters did not really apply > the guidelines (or because we are not able to manage correctly the > consistency between chapters). In the case of these technical deliverables, > the rule we apply is that Telefonica is the Editor because Telefonica is > the chief architect. My main question here is: what is the role of WP2 till > the beginning of the project? Could we use this place to prepare and > discuss the ToC together in this place and maintain it or just small > changes to avoid writing something in a rush at the last minute?**** > > We could also define the GANTT with the expected deliverables and when the > ToC should be ready.**** > > **&nb ass=MsoNormal>For the classical deliverables, there are not managed > as a first priority till now and we have the same concern regarding the ToC > definition and who is responsible of what. Very often the only names put in > a deliverable are WP Leader or WP Architect and each technical team has to > manage partner?s contribution. When the same partners are involved in > several WPs, it is very difficult to coordinate contributions and at the > end to reach a good quality for the deliverable. What should be clearly > stated is that if the skeleton of the deliverable is moving, the editor is > responsible to adapt previous contribution to the new framework and not to > ask 70 people to do the same work twice or three times.**** > > ** ** > > For both categories of deliverables, wiki format is for me not the right > format to have working document. To track changes or to p ut right me > especially when we change the skeleton. Furthermore, we have no clear rules > first for the private deliverables how they will be published on the wiki > (I?ve sent a previous email on this subject for exploitation deliverable > but did not receive any answer) and how the existing public information is > managed and by whom to introduce some changes.**** > > ** ** > > I think all these points are also of my responsibility as WP leader > because we spend too much time to write several times the same content in > different ways, we are late for all deliverables and we create lots of > noise around technical tasks and middleware we have to deliver. We will > have to explain all these points to the Commission in 2 months so we have > to identify solutions and be able to improve our project management to > avoid any crisis with the Commission.**** > > I?m opened for any suggestions but my first proposals are the following:** > ** > > **? **Organize WP2 meetings to define ToC and guidelines for > technical deliverables**** > > **? **Provide a GANTT for all further deliverables**** > > **? **Use mainly word document to be able to track easily all > changes and for private deliverables**** > > **? **Based on the ToC allow responsibilities to editor and main > contributors**** > > ** ** > > Best regards.****< /p> > > *Thierry Nagellen* **** > > *Program Manager Future Internet* > *Orange Labs Networks & Carriers* > 905 rue Albert Einstein > 06921 Sophia Antipolis Cedex > +33 492 94 52 84 > +33 679 85 08 44**** > > *New email address: *thierry.nagellen at orange.com **** > > ** ** > > > _______________________________________________ > Fiware-wpl mailing list > Fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu > http://lists.fi-ware.eu/listinfo/fiware-wpl > > -- Stefano De Panfilis Chief Innovation Officer Engineering Ingegneria Informatica S.p.A. via Riccardo Morandi 32 00148 Roma Italy tel (direct): +39-068307-4295 tel (secr.): +39-068307-4513 fax: +39-068307-4200 cell: +39-335-7542-567 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhierro at tid.es Fri May 4 11:16:04 2012 From: jhierro at tid.es (Juanjo Hierro) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 11:16:04 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpa] Concerns with deliverables process and content... and solutions to identify before review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FA39E54.5030206@tid.es> Hi Thierry, Thanks for your comments. I would like to provide my personal view on some of the matters you have raised in your email but I won't be able until later today, probably this evening due to another commitments. Nevertheless, one thing I would like to clarify is that most of the activities described in the DoW for WP2 are the kind of activities we all of us are supposed to carry out through discussion on the fiware-wpl and fiware-wpa mailing lists as well as the joint WPLs/WPAs confcalls. So putting WP2 "at work" should translate into improving interaction and participation through the fiware-wpl and fiware-wpa mailing lists, as well as the joint WPLs/WPAs follow-up confcalls. It's not a matter of creating a dedicated WP2 working group or a fiware-wp2 mailing list but really improve response and involvement in the fiware-wpl/wpa mailing lists as well as the joint WPLs/WPAs follow-up confcalls. As an example, I have seen requests for contribution from the Testbed WP Leaders or the Exploitation WP Leaders sent on the list, multiple times, even reinforced with reminders through consecutive joint WPLs/WPAs follow-up confcalls, that have simply been ignored. If response and interaction had been better, most probably we would be on a better position regarding some deliverables. I'm happy to discuss about that and, of course, all constructive feedback is welcome. We can make this point a point of the agenda of our joint WPL/WPA follow-up confcall on Monday. Best regards, -- Juanjo On 04/05/12 10:27, thierry.nagellen at orange.com wrote: Dear all, I would raise here a main concern regarding how we are managing our deliverables. Basically and since the beginning of the project we are late for all deliverables and it will be a strong concern for our Project Officer and our reviewers in less than 2 months during the review. We can split our deliverables into 2 categories: technical deliverables where all technical chapters have to provide their own content, and classical deliverables directly related to a dedicated WP. For the technical deliverables, my feeling and the feedback from IoT team is that we never have the ToC on time, which is normally 2 months before to deliver the final version, and when we have the ToC, guidelines are always moving especially during the last 2 weeks because the technical chapters did not really apply the guidelines (or because we are not able to manage correctly the consistency between chapters). In the case of these technical deliverables, the rule we apply is that Telefonica is the Editor because Telefonica is the chief architect. My main question here is: what is the role of WP2 till the beginning of the project? Could we use this place to prepare and discuss the ToC together in this place and maintain it or just small changes to avoid writing something in a rush at the last minute? We could also define the GANTT with the expected deliverables and when the ToC should be ready. For the classical deliverables, there are not managed as a first priority till now and we have the same concern regarding the ToC definition and who is responsible of what. Very often the only names put in a deliverable are WP Leader or WP Architect and each technical team has to manage partner?s contribution. When the same partners are involved in several WPs, it is very difficult to coordinate contributions and at the end to reach a good quality for the deliverable. What should be clearly stated is that if the skeleton of the deliverable is moving, the editor is responsible to adapt previous contribution to the new framework and not to ask 70 people to do the same work twice or three times. For both categories of deliverables, wiki format is for me not the right format to have working document. To track changes or to put right formats take too much time especially when we change the skeleton. Furthermore, we have no clear rules first for the private deliverables how they will be published on the wiki (I?ve sent a previous email on this subject for exploitation deliverable but did not receive any answer) and how the existing public information is managed and by whom to introduce some changes. I think all these points are also of my responsibility as WP leader because we spend too much time to write several times the same content in different ways, we are late for all deliverables and we create lots of noise around technical tasks and middleware we have to deliver. We will have to explain all these points to the Commission in 2 months so we have to identify solutions and be able to improve our project management to avoid any crisis with the Commission. I?m opened for any suggestions but my first proposals are the following: ? Organize WP2 meetings to define ToC and guidelines for technical deliverables ? Provide a GANTT for all further deliverables ? Use mainly word document to be able to track easily all changes and for private deliverables ? Based on the ToC allow responsibilities to editor and main contributors Best regards. 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Possibilities 1) we might try to go to Arian and explain we have decided not to have it and ask for his permission to delete that. 2) The idea would be to find a suitable week for the meeting. We suggested Brussels as the most adequate place as you may remember from the mail 22 march 2012 10:19 Please state your preference in the doodle http://www.doodle.com/kf4zxxs4hcc79viv It will be a two day meeting. If you prefer we try to avoid/delay for the next autumn the SC, just send a email to the PCC list and we can discuss it at the next PCC Once you have stated your dates, I shall inform the SC and also ask for their input BR ---- Jose Jimenez Telefonica I+D jimenez at tid.es tf +34 91 4832660 ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. 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Asunto: [FI-PPP SB] Memorandum of Collaboration between FI PPP and EIT ICT Labs Importancia: Alta Dear all, dear project Coordinators in particular, Enclosed you will find a version of the Memorandum of Collaboration for further distribution to your consortium members. (The same was just sent with the invitation and agenda to the 30-May SB Meeting). Please can you read the cover letter and highlight the importance of this within your consortia. In line with the requests of the Commission, we would then expect fairly definite stances by all partners -- collected by Coordinators into a single free-form document insofar as possible -- by May 26th. Given the easy nature of the text -- it looks very serious and legal at places but it is not much asked to sign it -- I'd sincerely hope we can make it. EIT ICT Lab's Chief Strategy Officer Prof. Dr. Martti M?ntyl? has promised to come and join us in person for our meeting in Helsinki during agenda point #9 dealing with the matter, to answer any questions on their behalf. (Furthermore, as many of you are aware, EIT ICT Lab's CEO Prof. Dr. Willem Jonker is also an elected member of our Advisory Board.) Furthermore the gentlemen from the Commission in Cc are surely willing to share views on the matter. In line with our decision-making structure and as many would be quick to point out, the SB will not strictly speaking need to take a definite stance on this but, as the Commission has expressed earlier, it would definitely be a good opportunity for showing that we can. Of course we'll make sure that everyone can feel safe with the formulations in the meeting minutes, along the lines of "the Meeting decided in favour of recommending the FI PPP beneficiaries to become parties to the proposed MoC in light of the risk-free nature of the MoC," so that no-one needs to feel he/she would be exceeding his/her powers or the powers vested in the SB. We'll discuss this in detail on May 30th, but please do take action now for getting the feedback in time for our meeting. Please do not wait till the SB meeting for discussing this with any parties you may feel are affected in your context, but come prepared and enlightened to the meeting, empowered by and with the mandate to represent the interests of your project. 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Name: ATT00001..txt URL: From jhierro at tid.es Thu May 17 18:44:56 2012 From: jhierro at tid.es (Juanjo Hierro) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:44:56 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] Fwd: Document on Trade-off and responsibilities in phases 2 and 3 of the FI-PPP In-Reply-To: <4FB529F6.7020208@tid.es> References: <4FB529F6.7020208@tid.es> Message-ID: <4FB52B08.4020208@tid.es> Hi all, Please find enclosed mail sent to the FI-PPP SB from the FI-PPP AB regarding the document on Trade-off and responsibilities in phases 2 and 3 of the FI-PPP that has been developed by members of the FI-PPP AB. You already were aware of the existence of this document because I circulated it some weeks ago. Now, it is the time to carry out the final revision by FI-WARE, to determine whether we can endorse it or not. Your feedback about how to proceed is welcome ... should we just proceed to send it to all FI-WARE partners (i.e., by email to fiware at lists.fi-ware.eu) ? Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Document on Trade-off and responsibilities in phases 2 and 3 of the FI-PPP Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:40:22 +0200 From: Juanjo Hierro To: sb at fi-ppp.eu CC: ab at fi-ppp.eu , jhierro >> "Juan J. Hierro" Dear members of the FI-PPP Steering Board, As you already know, the FI-PPP Architecture Board has been working on a paper that summarizes a number of trade-offs to be considered, and responsibilities to be assumed by the different projects, in phases 2 and 3 of the FI-PPP Program. Find enclosed the version of the paper we have produced. This document will be circulated among the consortia of each FI-PPP projects, in order to collect further comments from the partners (the defined deadline for gathering comments: May 25th EOB). Unless gathered comments become difficult to integrate, or strong controversia is raised, I feel like we may have a final version of the paper by end of May. Note that this document cannot be yet considered as endorsed by projects under the FI-PPP umbrella, including FI-WARE. That's why we have to carry out this final round of review involving all partners. I would kindly ask members of the SB to push for revision of this important paper within the projects they represent. Besides, I would like to put in the hands of the SB a number of decisions: * Whether to share or not the current draft with the EC as well as our current schedule/plan for delivering a final version. My own recommendation would be to share this info with the EC as soon as possible. * How to made the final version of the document publicly available. My recommendation would be that it be published in the FI-PPP portal, at some place it can be easily found. CONCORD should take care of including these points in the agenda of the next Steering Board meeting. I'm happy to answer any question you may have. Best regards, -- Juanjo Hierro ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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Ciao Stefano Le mail ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry? from Vodafone! -----Original Message----- From: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO Sender: fiware-pcc-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:05:03 To: fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu; Nuria De-Lama Sanchez Subject: [Fiware-pcc] Meeting in Brussels _______________________________________________ Fiware-pcc mailing list Fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu http://lists.fi-ware.eu/listinfo/fiware-pcc From axel.fasse at sap.com Mon May 21 15:18:10 2012 From: axel.fasse at sap.com (Fasse, Axel) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:18:10 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] Licence models Message-ID: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler. We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a license of its choice under which the release to the public can happen. Best regards, Axel Fasse --------------------------- Axel Fasse Senior Researcher SAP Research Karlsruhe SAP AG Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany T +49 6227 7-52528 F +49 6227 78-55237 M +4915153858917 E axel.fasse at sap.com www.sap.com Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. 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URL: From stefano.depanfilis at eng.it Mon May 21 15:31:39 2012 From: stefano.depanfilis at eng.it (stefano de panfilis) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:31:39 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models In-Reply-To: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> References: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> Message-ID: dear axel, very much true, but it is also true that we always said and wrote that fi-ware fosters the adoption of open liceses. so in case an organisation decides in a different way, in my opinion, this must be communicated and justified. of course without preventing a free choice. please consider that the ownership of the output is not under discussion. my two cents ... ciao, stefano 2012/5/21 Fasse, Axel > Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, **** > > ** ** > > we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you > have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is not based > upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler Specification and > the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the party who generated the > Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler. **** > > We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a license of > its choice under which the release to the public can happen.**** > > ** ** > > Best regards, **** > > ** ** > > Axel Fasse**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *---------------------------* > > * * > > *Axel Fasse > *Senior Researcher* > *SAP Research Karlsruhe**** > > ** ** > > *SAP AG** > *Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 **** > > 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany**** > > * * > > T +49 6227 7-52528* > *F +49 6227 78-55237* > *M +4915153858917* > *E *axel.fasse at sap.com***** > > * > *www.sap.com**** > > * > *Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: > http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx* > > *Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige > vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese E-Mail irrt?mlich > erhalten haben, ist Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine > Vervielf?ltigung oder Weitergabe der E-Mail ausdr?cklich untersagt. Bitte > benachrichtigen Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene E-Mail. Vielen > Dank. * > > *This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged, undisclosed, or > otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in > error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying, or distribution of > it is strictly prohibited. Please inform us immediately and destroy the > original transmittal. Thank you for your cooperation.**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Fiware-wpl mailing list > Fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu > http://lists.fi-ware.eu/listinfo/fiware-wpl > > -- Stefano De Panfilis Chief Innovation Officer Engineering Ingegneria Informatica S.p.A. via Riccardo Morandi 32 00148 Roma Italy tel (direct): +39-068307-4295 tel (secr.): +39-068307-4513 fax: +39-068307-4200 cell: +39-335-7542-567 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhierro at tid.es Mon May 21 16:09:10 2012 From: jhierro at tid.es (Juanjo Hierro) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:09:10 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] Licence models In-Reply-To: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> References: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> Message-ID: <4FBA4C86.9040404@tid.es> Dear Axel, We are not talking here about the license of Generic Enabler implementations. The license applicable to a Generic Enabler implementation is up to the party who generates that particular Generic Enabler implementation, as already established by the CA. So DO NOT OPEN DEBATES on a matter THAT DON'T EXIST. What we were talking about here is the license of Generic Enabler Specifications, which as the CA stands, have to be public and royalty-free. On the other hand, we thought it was not a rather good idea going public without adding some sort of disclaimer about liability. That's why we considered that defining a single license for FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications, which essentially states the open and royalty-free nature of the specs and established this disclaimer on liability, was the right thing to do. Note that this legal notice is similar to the one any other industry consortia who pretends that their specifications gets adopted actually incorporate in their published specs (e.g., W3C, Oasis, etc). Adopting an approach that means that the license Generic Enabler Specifications is defined per Generic Enabler Specification will become unmanageable. Overall when there are several clear cases (e.g., the FI-WARE NGSI specification) where several companies are involved and it's unclear who can be entitled to become the only "owners" of the specs. It would create also a lot of confusion in the users of the specs who would wonder why there are so many variants and whether they would lead to incompatibilities. Do definitively we have to go for a single legal notice on specifications. A different story is about copyright of the specifications. You may argue that going for a "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" for all specifications is too simplistic, but ... who is going to arbitrate who is the actual owner of a given spec that has been produced in a collaborative manner (incorporating comments from peer-reviewers, ideas during joint meetings, etc) ? Again a much different story applies to GE Implementations where clearly the contribution of parties can be measured and then ownership of each party can be determined. Please don't mix different things. Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the sentence "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their opinion is written down. Would that work for you ? Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler. We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a license of its choice under which the release to the public can happen. Best regards, Axel Fasse --------------------------- Axel Fasse Senior Researcher SAP Research Karlsruhe SAP AG Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany T +49 6227 7-52528 F +49 6227 78-55237 M +4915153858917 E axel.fasse at sap.com www.sap.com Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, ist Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielf?ltigung oder Weitergabe der E-Mail ausdr?cklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene E-Mail. Vielen Dank. This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged, undisclosed, or otherwise confidential information. 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Of course, those companies that believe that the copyright of a given specification only belongs to them should justify it and get at least the agreement of at least partners of the same Chapter (e.g., Security Chapter) or joint Task Force (e.g., FI-WARE NGSI) Best regards, -- Juanjo Would that work for you ? Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler. We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a license of its choice under which the release to the public can happen. Best regards, Axel Fasse --------------------------- Axel Fasse Senior Researcher SAP Research Karlsruhe SAP AG Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany T +49 6227 7-52528 F +49 6227 78-55237 M +4915153858917 E axel.fasse at sap.com www.sap.com Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. 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URL: From axel.fasse at sap.com Mon May 21 16:22:26 2012 From: axel.fasse at sap.com (Fasse, Axel) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:22:26 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpa] Licence models In-Reply-To: <4FBA4D35.4050901@tid.es> References: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA4C86.9040404@tid.es> <4FBA4D35.4050901@tid.es> Message-ID: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABF57@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> Dear Juanjo, you don't have to convince me about a pragmatic approach. I think it is necessary to find a solution that is supported by all partners. Best regards, Axel From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:12 To: Fasse, Axel Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models On 21/05/12 16:09, Juanjo Hierro wrote: Dear Axel, Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the sentence "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their opinion is written down. Of course, those companies that believe that the copyright of a given specification only belongs to them should justify it and get at least the agreement of at least partners of the same Chapter (e.g., Security Chapter) or joint Task Force (e.g., FI-WARE NGSI) Best regards, -- Juanjo Would that work for you ? Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler. We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a license of its choice under which the release to the public can happen. Best regards, Axel Fasse --------------------------- Axel Fasse Senior Researcher SAP Research Karlsruhe SAP AG Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany T +49 6227 7-52528 F +49 6227 78-55237 M +4915153858917 E axel.fasse at sap.com www.sap.com Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. 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Thanks and best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 16:22, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, you don?t have to convince me about a pragmatic approach. I think it is necessary to find a solution that is supported by all partners. Best regards, Axel From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:12 To: Fasse, Axel Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models On 21/05/12 16:09, Juanjo Hierro wrote: Dear Axel, Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the sentence "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their opinion is written down. Of course, those companies that believe that the copyright of a given specification only belongs to them should justify it and get at least the agreement of at least partners of the same Chapter (e.g., Security Chapter) or joint Task Force (e.g., FI-WARE NGSI) Best regards, -- Juanjo Would that work for you ? Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler. We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a license of its choice under which the release to the public can happen. Best regards, Axel Fasse --------------------------- Axel Fasse Senior Researcher SAP Research Karlsruhe SAP AG Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany T +49 6227 7-52528 F +49 6227 78-55237 M +4915153858917 E axel.fasse at sap.com www.sap.com Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. 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URL: From axel.fasse at sap.com Mon May 21 16:46:53 2012 From: axel.fasse at sap.com (Fasse, Axel) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:46:53 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpa] Licence models In-Reply-To: <4FBA52F7.7050103@tid.es> References: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA4C86.9040404@tid.es> <4FBA4D35.4050901@tid.es> <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABF57@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA52F7.7050103@tid.es> Message-ID: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3AC03E@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> Dear Juanjo, I'm already in discussions with our colleagues from the legal department. You will get a feedback as soon as possible. Best regards, Axel From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:37 To: Fasse, Axel Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models Ok. Given your support, I will go for the proposed option (change "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" by "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise") unless anyone objects before Wednesday 12:00 CET. Thanks and best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 16:22, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, you don't have to convince me about a pragmatic approach. I think it is necessary to find a solution that is supported by all partners. Best regards, Axel From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:12 To: Fasse, Axel Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models On 21/05/12 16:09, Juanjo Hierro wrote: Dear Axel, Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the sentence "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their opinion is written down. Of course, those companies that believe that the copyright of a given specification only belongs to them should justify it and get at least the agreement of at least partners of the same Chapter (e.g., Security Chapter) or joint Task Force (e.g., FI-WARE NGSI) Best regards, -- Juanjo Would that work for you ? Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler. We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a license of its choice under which the release to the public can happen. Best regards, Axel Fasse --------------------------- Axel Fasse Senior Researcher SAP Research Karlsruhe SAP AG Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany T +49 6227 7-52528 F +49 6227 78-55237 M +4915153858917 E axel.fasse at sap.com www.sap.com Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. 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URL: From GLIKSON at il.ibm.com Mon May 21 23:21:23 2012 From: GLIKSON at il.ibm.com (Alex Glikson) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 00:21:23 +0300 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models In-Reply-To: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3AC03E@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> References: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA4C86.9040404@tid.es> <4FBA4D35.4050901@tid.es> <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABF57@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA52F7.7050103@tid.es> <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3AC03E@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> Message-ID: Dear Juanjo, all, Our legal department says there is no legal entity known as FIWARE Project Parties. So FIWARE Project Parties can not be the owners of anything, and can not be copyright owners either. It also says in the CA and the GA, that the party that creates the Foreground is the owner of the Foreground. While IBM supports making the specifications public, as per the DOW, the DOW does not say we need to also give away ownership to what we wrote. If you would like to write on your material "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" that is your decision. But we believe that each Party should be able to decide if they want to retain ownership of their own material. Regards, Alex ==================================================================================================== Alex Glikson Manager, Cloud Operating System Technologies, IBM Haifa Research Lab http://w3.haifa.ibm.com/dept/stt/cloud_sys.html | https://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/dept/stt/cloud_sys.shtml Email: glikson at il.ibm.com | Phone: +972-4-8281085 | Mobile: +972-54-6466667 | Fax: +972-4-8296112 From: "Fasse, Axel" To: Juanjo Hierro , Cc: "fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu" , "'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu)" , "fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu" Date: 21/05/2012 05:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpl] [Fiware-wpa] Licence models Sent by: fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu Dear Juanjo, I?m already in discussions with our colleagues from the legal department. You will get a feedback as soon as possible. Best regards, Axel From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:37 To: Fasse, Axel Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models Ok. Given your support, I will go for the proposed option (change "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" by "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise") unless anyone objects before Wednesday 12:00 CET. Thanks and best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 16:22, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, you don?t have to convince me about a pragmatic approach. I think it is necessary to find a solution that is supported by all partners. Best regards, Axel From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:12 To: Fasse, Axel Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models On 21/05/12 16:09, Juanjo Hierro wrote: Dear Axel, Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the sentence "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their opinion is written down. Of course, those companies that believe that the copyright of a given specification only belongs to them should justify it and get at least the agreement of at least partners of the same Chapter (e.g., Security Chapter) or joint Task Force (e.g., FI-WARE NGSI) Best regards, -- Juanjo Would that work for you ? Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler. We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a license of its choice under which the release to the public can happen. Best regards, Axel Fasse --------------------------- Axel Fasse Senior Researcher SAP Research Karlsruhe SAP AG Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany T +49 6227 7-52528 F +49 6227 78-55237 M +4915153858917 E axel.fasse at sap.com www.sap.com Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, ist Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielf?ltigung oder Weitergabe der E-Mail ausdr?cklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene E-Mail. Vielen Dank. This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged, undisclosed, or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying, or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform us immediately and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you for your cooperation. Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at. http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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URL: From jhierro at tid.es Tue May 22 04:21:55 2012 From: jhierro at tid.es (Juanjo Hierro) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 04:21:55 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models In-Reply-To: References: <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABD74@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA4C86.9040404@tid.es> <4FBA4D35.4050901@tid.es> <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3ABF57@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> <4FBA52F7.7050103@tid.es> <2C6296E1876B5C49962495FDACDC7A6360CC3AC03E@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp> Message-ID: <4FBAF843.5010101@tid.es> On 21/05/12 23:21, Alex Glikson wrote: Dear Juanjo, all, Our legal department says there is no legal entity known as FIWARE Project Parties. So FIWARE Project Parties can not be the owners of anything, and can not be copyright owners either. Well ... the trick here was that "FI-WARE Project Partners" on the wiki is a link to the wiki page where project partners are listed ... so we thought was a kind of abbreviation of the whole list of partners ... BTW, I have replaced any ocurrence of the "FI-WARE partner" in the legal notice by "FI-WARE Project Partners" with the link to the wiki page listing the FI-WARE Project Partners for consistency. It also says in the CA and the GA, that the party that creates the Foreground is the owner of the Foreground. Nothing is said in the published FI-WARE Legal Notice about ownership. The legal notice covers license to use which is different. What the legal notices says in that respect is, essentially, that the specs are public and royalty-free, therefore anyone can build products based on them, that the FI-WARE partners are not responsible for identifying infringed patents, and that the FI-WARE partners are not liable for errors in the specifications. It doesn't say anything about ownership, so therefore any agreement between FI-WARE partners about such ownerships (i.e., whatever is stated in the CA/GA regarding ownership, prevails). Note that ownership doesn't equal to license to use which is what we have tried to regulate here according to the CA/GA. While IBM supports making the specifications public, as per the DOW, the DOW does not say we need to also give away ownership to what we wrote. I don't see what are we giving away about ownership with the current legal notice either. If you would like to write on your material "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" that is your decision. But we believe that each Party should be able to decide if they want to retain ownership of their own material. That's why I proposed to change the sentence to say "Copyright ? 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners" by "Copyright ? 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" (FI-WARE project partners being a link), and then you can negotiate the copyright that should come with whatever spec has been produced within your chapter with the contributing parties. Do you object to that formula ? Indeed I believe it covers your demands ... since you will be able to specify a different copyright statement (but not license to use) on what you consider your material. Note that, regarding copyright, we just tried to avoid going public without any sort of copyright. Now you can fix it if we introduce the proposed change. Regarding the rest of the Legal Notice, we are just defining the license to use specifications, in line with what the CA/GA states. We don't say anything about ownership, so the CA/GA prevails. Best regards, -- Juanjo Regards, Alex ==================================================================================================== Alex Glikson Manager, Cloud Operating System Technologies, IBM Haifa Research Lab http://w3.haifa.ibm.com/dept/stt/cloud_sys.html | https://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/dept/stt/cloud_sys.shtml Email: glikson at il.ibm.com | Phone: +972-4-8281085 | Mobile: +972-54-6466667 | Fax: +972-4-8296112 From: "Fasse, Axel" To: Juanjo Hierro , Cc: "fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu" , "'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu)" , "fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu" Date: 21/05/2012 05:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpl] [Fiware-wpa] Licence models Sent by: fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu ________________________________ Dear Juanjo, I?m already in discussions with our colleagues from the legal department. You will get a feedback as soon as possible. Best regards, Axel From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:37 To: Fasse, Axel Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models Ok. Given your support, I will go for the proposed option (change "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" by "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise") unless anyone objects before Wednesday 12:00 CET. Thanks and best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 16:22, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, you don?t have to convince me about a pragmatic approach. I think it is necessary to find a solution that is supported by all partners. Best regards, Axel From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:12 To: Fasse, Axel Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models On 21/05/12 16:09, Juanjo Hierro wrote: Dear Axel, Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the sentence "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their opinion is written down. Of course, those companies that believe that the copyright of a given specification only belongs to them should justify it and get at least the agreement of at least partners of the same Chapter (e.g., Security Chapter) or joint Task Force (e.g., FI-WARE NGSI) Best regards, -- Juanjo Would that work for you ? Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you have supplied us. 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Therefore, let me point out THREE VERY IMPORTANT points that you need either to complete or to take into account. ? Each WPL/WPA has to complete the tables of his chapter. Some of them have red text or missing information ? DEADLINE for this is next Friday (take advantage of the meetings in Zurich to clarify any doubt you have) ? As you can see in the tables, the license type is associated to each asset. Since every GE is composed of one or several assets what we have to ensure is that all the license types are compatible for the GE implementation. o Therefore, make sure that each asset has a type license o Fill in the cell of license compatibility at the level of GE (not asset!) ? of course, in the end the statement should make visible the fact that all the assets that are part of the GE implementation can work together without major issues. If not, come back to us ASAP o If one or several assets are open source components that you take from Internet, please, give the source in the cell devoted to ownership ? avoid saying "unknown" or leaving the space without specifying anything o If you want an example of a GE that has been completed as we need it check the BigData GE. ? Finally, we have realized that many assets have the "label" CLOSED (license type) ? this should be replaced by FRAND As far as we understand all SW should be realized at least under FRAND conditions (this should be the most restricted term). I hope this is clear for everyone. If not, come to my colleagues Carmen and Juan (keeping me in CC for the sake of coordination). Thanks in advance for your work! 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Name: image002.gif Type: image/gif Size: 816 bytes Desc: image002.gif URL: From jhierro at tid.es Tue May 22 17:27:00 2012 From: jhierro at tid.es (Juanjo Hierro) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:27:00 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] Fwd: Re: [Fiware-legal] FW: [Fiware-wpl] Licence models In-Reply-To: <4FBBAC6B.3080302@tid.es> References: <4FBBAC6B.3080302@tid.es> Message-ID: <4FBBB044.6050300@tid.es> FYI, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fiware-legal] FW: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:10:35 +0200 From: Juanjo Hierro To: fiware-legal at lists.fi-ware.eu Dear colleagues of legal departments, Going for a different legal notice, regarding the license to use GE Open Specifications, for each and every GE Open Specification will IMHO totally JEOPARDIZE the chances to achieve the expected impact with a project like FI-WARE. It will introduce a lot of confussion on potential users of the spec. Should they have to learn and analyze each and every license to use terms when, at the end of the day, they should end supporting the same CA clauses regarding public and royalty-free nature of specifications ? No single organization trying to achieve the goal of producing a uniform set of specifications (and I remind you that we are trying to develop here one) does anything like that. People would simply dismiss our potential contribution. The discussion about ownership of foreground, by the way, does not have anything to do with this discussion on how license the use of that foreground. The CA/GA is clear stating that foreground that is a FI-WARE GE implementation is licensed under the terms that the owner of that GE implementation determines (though has to be offered free of charge with the FI-PPP program and following FRAND terms otherwise). However, it is also clear stating that foreground that is a FI-WARE GE Open Specification has to be licensed royalty-free, allowing any party to develop implementations in compliance with the spec. There is therefore no reason why we cannot find a single common license for using FI-WARE GE Open Specifications. Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es email: jhierro at tid.es twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 22/05/12 16:41, Schweppe, Kathrin wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > please find below some discussions about the License, Telefonica proposed on Thursday for the Generic Enabler Specifications. I assume, it is beneficial for all partners to consider IBMs proposal. > > SAP supports IBM's point of view. > > Best regards, > Kathrin > > Kathrin Schweppe, LL.M. > Legal Counsel > Global Legal > SAP AG > Dietmar-Hopp-Allee 16 > 69190 Walldorf, Germany > T +49 6227 7-64369 > F +49 6227 78-54177 > E kathrin.schweppe at sap.com > http://www.sap.com > Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Walldorf, Germany > Vorstand/SAP Executive Board: Bill McDermot (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Jim Hagemann Snabe (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Werner Brandt, Gerhard Oswald, Vishal Sikka > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats/Chairperson of the SAP Supervisory Board: Hasso Plattner > Registergericht/Commercial Register Mannheim No HRB 350269 > > Diese e-mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse, dem Anwaltsgeheimnis unterliegende oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese e-mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, ist Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielf?ltigung oder Weitergabe der e-mail ausdr?cklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene e-mail. Vielen Dank. > Prepared by a member of SAP Global Legal. This message and any attachments may contain information that is confidential, private or protected by the attorney-client or other privilege. If you have received this email in error, please delete this message without further copying or distribution and promptly notify me. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Erez [mailto:SUZANNE at il.ibm.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 14:57 > To: Juanjo Hierro > Cc: Alex Glikson; 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu; LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; Schweppe, Kathrin > Subject: Re: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models > > Juanjo, > > Thank you for your note and for the explanation. It was helpful to > understand what your purpose is. > > There are two parts to the license - 1) the copyright statement and 2) the > license terms. > > The first part "Copyright ? 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners unless > specified otherwise" while with the right intention, is not legally > binding on anything or anyone. The term" FI-WARE Project partners" is not > defined in any legally binding document. Additionally, it is according to > the CA and the GA that each Part is to write Copyright ? 2012 by NAME OF PERSON WRITING THE SPEC>. Anything other than that is not in line > with the GA or CA. > > II.26. Ownership > 1. Foreground shall be the property of the beneficiary carrying out the > work generating that foreground. > > As to the second part, while the language may be acceptable, it is only > suggested that each party review it with their own legal department. As an > example, IBM has many standard licenses that we use for many purposes. We > will review this license, and decide to adopt it or a similar IBM one. > > I can not thank you enough, or express our appreciation for all the hard > work you have done as coordinator. thank you! > > Suzanne > > Suzanne Erez > Counsel, IPLaw, Israel > Associate PPM, PPM 150, 160 > IBM Haifa, Israel suzanne at il.ibm.com > Tel: 972-4-829-6069 Fax: 972-4-829-6521 > > "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and > looks like work" -- Thomas Edison, American inventor > > PREPARED BY IBM ATTORNEY / PRIVILEGE REVIEW REQUIRED This e-mail and its > attachments, if any, may contain information that is private, confidential, > or protected by attorney-client, solicitor-client or other privilege. If > you received this e-mail in error, please delete it from your system > without copying it and notify me of the misdirection by reply e-mail. > > > > From: Juanjo Hierro > To: Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, > Cc: "'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu)" > , "fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu" > , "fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu" > , Suzanne Erez/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, > LUIS GARCIA GARCIA, "jhierro>> \"Juan J. Hierro > \"" > Date: 21/05/2012 09:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models > > > > > On 21/05/12 23:21, Alex Glikson wrote: > Dear Juanjo, all, > > Our legal department says there is no legal entity known as FIWARE > Project Parties. So FIWARE Project Parties can not be the owners of > anything, and can not be copyright owners either. > Well ... the trick here was that "FI-WARE Project Partners" on the wiki > is a link to the wiki page where project partners are listed ... so we > thought was a kind of abbreviation of the whole list of partners ... > > BTW, I have replaced any ocurrence of the "FI-WARE partner" in the legal > notice by "FI-WARE Project Partners" with the link to the wiki page listing > the FI-WARE Project Partners for consistency. > > It also says in the CA and the GA, that the party that creates the > Foreground is the owner of the Foreground. > > Nothing is said in the published FI-WARE Legal Notice about ownership. > The legal notice covers license to use which is different. What the legal > notices says in that respect is, essentially, that the specs are public and > royalty-free, therefore anyone can build products based on them, that the > FI-WARE partners are not responsible for identifying infringed patents, and > that the FI-WARE partners are not liable for errors in the specifications. > It doesn't say anything about ownership, so therefore any agreement between > FI-WARE partners about such ownerships (i.e., whatever is stated in the > CA/GA regarding ownership, prevails). Note that ownership doesn't equal > to license to use which is what we have tried to regulate here according to > the CA/GA. > > > While IBM supports making the specifications public, as per the DOW, > the DOW does not say we need to also give away ownership to what we > wrote. > > I don't see what are we giving away about ownership with the current > legal notice either. > > If you would like to write on your material "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE > Project partners" that is your decision. But we believe that each > Party should be able to decide if they want to retain ownership of > their own material. > > That's why I proposed to change the sentence to say "Copyright ? 2012 by > FI-WARE Project partners" by "Copyright ? 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners > unless specified otherwise" (FI-WARE project partners being a link), and > then you can negotiate the copyright that should come with whatever spec > has been produced within your chapter with the contributing parties. > > Do you object to that formula ? Indeed I believe it covers your > demands ... since you will be able to specify a different copyright > statement (but not license to use) on what you consider your material. > > Note that, regarding copyright, we just tried to avoid going public > without any sort of copyright. Now you can fix it if we introduce the > proposed change. Regarding the rest of the Legal Notice, we are just > defining the license to use specifications, in line with what the CA/GA > states. We don't say anything about ownership, so the CA/GA prevails. > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > Regards, > Alex > > ==================================================================================================== > > Alex Glikson > Manager, Cloud Operating System Technologies, IBM Haifa Research Lab > http://w3.haifa.ibm.com/dept/stt/cloud_sys.html | > https://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/dept/stt/cloud_sys.shtml > Email: glikson at il.ibm.com | Phone: +972-4-8281085 | Mobile: > +972-54-6466667 | Fax: +972-4-8296112 > > > > > From: "Fasse, Axel" > To: Juanjo Hierro, > Cc: "fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu" > , > "'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu)" > , "fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu" > > Date: 21/05/2012 05:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpl] [Fiware-wpa] Licence models > Sent by: fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu > > > > Dear Juanjo, > > I?m already in discussions with our colleagues from the legal > department. > You will get a feedback as soon as possible. > > Best regards, > Axel > > From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] > Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:37 > To: Fasse, Axel > Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE > JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; > fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu > Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models > > > Ok. Given your support, I will go for the proposed option (change > "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" by "Copyright ? 2012 > FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise") unless anyone > objects before Wednesday 12:00 CET. > > Thanks and best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > > ------------- > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital > website: www.tid.es > email: jhierro at tid.es > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro > > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect > > You can follow FI-WARE at: > website: http://www.fi-ware.eu > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware > linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 21/05/12 16:22, Fasse, Axel wrote: > Dear Juanjo, > > you don?t have to convince me about a pragmatic approach. > I think it is necessary to find a solution that is supported by all > partners. > > Best regards, > Axel > > From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] > Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:12 > To: Fasse, Axel > Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE > JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; > fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu > Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models > > > On 21/05/12 16:09, Juanjo Hierro wrote: > Dear Axel, > > Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the > sentence "Copyright ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current > FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright > ? 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and > then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given > specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page > linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their > opinion is written down. > > Of course, those companies that believe that the copyright of a > given specification only belongs to them should justify it and get at > least the agreement of at least partners of the same Chapter (e.g., > Security Chapter) or joint Task Force (e.g., FI-WARE NGSI) > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > > Would that work for you ? > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > ------------- > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital > website: www.tid.es > email: jhierro at tid.es > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro > > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect > > You can follow FI-WARE at: > website: http://www.fi-ware.eu > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware > linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: > Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, > > we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License > you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is > not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler > Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the > party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic > Enabler. > We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a > license of its choice under which the release to the public can > happen. > > Best regards, > > Axel Fasse > > > --------------------------- > > Axel Fasse > Senior Researcher > SAP Research Karlsruhe > > SAP AG > Vincenz-Priessnitz-Strasse 1 > 76131 Karlsruhe, Germany > > T +49 6227 7-52528 > F +49 6227 78-55237 > M +4915153858917 > E axel.fasse at sap.com > > www.sap.com > > Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: > http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx > > Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Gesch?ftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige > vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. 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This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at. http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimenez at tid.es Mon May 28 10:40:58 2012 From: jimenez at tid.es (JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:40:58 +0200 Subject: [Fiware-pcc] RV: [FI-PPP SB] Memorandum of Collaboration between FI PPP and EIT ICT Labs Message-ID: <0986BE7EB220D848BEF7ADDF53B6341967BA9363BA@EXCLU2K7.hi.inet> Dear all Some time ago I sent this request from the PPP-SB if there was any comment to the MoC between PPP companies. Even if I have received some indirect comments that the legal group has some reservations about this, I have no official comment from any company refusing to sing this document Please, if anyone has reservation tell me officially so. Otherwise, I shall say Mikko that FI-WARE has no reservation Best regards ---- Jose Jimenez Telefonica I+D jimenez at tid.es tf +34 91 4832660 De: Riepula Mikko [mailto:Mikko.Riepula at aalto.fi] Enviado el: lunes, 28 de mayo de 2012 10:11 Para: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO Asunto: Fwd: [FI-PPP SB] Memorandum of Collaboration between FI PPP and EIT ICT Labs Importancia: Alta Dear Jose, Do you have any feedback from FI-WARE? Ok to sign by all consortium partners? kr. Mikko Begin forwarded message: From: Riepula Mikko > Subject: Re: [FI-PPP SB] Memorandum of Collaboration between FI PPP and EIT ICT Labs Date: 28 May 2012 11:04:03 EEST To: "SB at fi-ppp.eu" > Cc: "Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu" >, Markkanen Anna >, Willem Jonker >, Martti M?ntyl? > Dear all, After one more round with EIT ICT Labs we came up with the enclosed, simplified version of the MoC. (For example, the Annex was removed altogether, and some other redundancy removed.) This is a version that EIT ICT Labs fully supports, and I'm hoping that we can say the same on our side. The process and the targeted dates are still as in the original cover letter (also attached). Coordinators, if you could please send me the missing feedback from your projects for aggregation -- the recent changes have hardly been such that they would make anyone change their mind. If, in the next SB, we could not conclude with a clear green light for it, then it might all be too late. kind regards, Mikko Mr. Mikko Riepula, MSc (Tech) Project Manager, CONCORD Center for Knowledge and Innovation Research (CKIR) Aalto University Fredrikinkatu 48 00100 Helsinki Finland tel: +358 50 3837378 (mobile) On 16 May 2012, at 18:52, Mikko Riepula wrote: Dear all, dear project Coordinators in particular, Enclosed you will find a version of the Memorandum of Collaboration for further distribution to your consortium members. (The same was just sent with the invitation and agenda to the 30-May SB Meeting). Please can you read the cover letter and highlight the importance of this within your consortia. In line with the requests of the Commission, we would then expect fairly definite stances by all partners -- collected by Coordinators into a single free-form document insofar as possible -- by May 26th. Given the easy nature of the text -- it looks very serious and legal at places but it is not much asked to sign it -- I'd sincerely hope we can make it. EIT ICT Lab's Chief Strategy Officer Prof. Dr. Martti M?ntyl? has promised to come and join us in person for our meeting in Helsinki during agenda point #9 dealing with the matter, to answer any questions on their behalf. (Furthermore, as many of you are aware, EIT ICT Lab's CEO Prof. Dr. Willem Jonker is also an elected member of our Advisory Board.) Furthermore the gentlemen from the Commission in Cc are surely willing to share views on the matter. In line with our decision-making structure and as many would be quick to point out, the SB will not strictly speaking need to take a definite stance on this but, as the Commission has expressed earlier, it would definitely be a good opportunity for showing that we can. Of course we'll make sure that everyone can feel safe with the formulations in the meeting minutes, along the lines of "the Meeting decided in favour of recommending the FI PPP beneficiaries to become parties to the proposed MoC in light of the risk-free nature of the MoC," so that no-one needs to feel he/she would be exceeding his/her powers or the powers vested in the SB. We'll discuss this in detail on May 30th, but please do take action now for getting the feedback in time for our meeting. Please do not wait till the SB meeting for discussing this with any parties you may feel are affected in your context, but come prepared and enlightened to the meeting, empowered by and with the mandate to represent the interests of your project. Kind regards, Mr. Mikko Riepula, MSc (Tech) Project Manager, CONCORD Center for Knowledge and Innovation Research (CKIR) Aalto University Fredrikinkatu 48 00100 Helsinki Finland tel: +358 50 3837378 (mobile) _______________________________________________ Sb mailing list Sb at fi-ppp.eu http://lists.fi-ppp.eu/mailman/listinfo/sb ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. 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No paper version will follow. Please distribute the review report to the partners in the consortium. Please acknowledge receipt of this e-mail. Kind regards, Federica Federica Tagliani Assistant to Arian Zwegers European Commission - DG INFSO/D.3 Software & Service Architectures and Infrastructures BU25 3/116, B-1049 Brussels Tel: 32-02-2974471 ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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BR ---- Jose Jimenez Telefonica I+D jimenez at tid.es tf +34 91 4832660 De: Federica.TAGLIANI at ec.europa.eu [mailto:Federica.TAGLIANI at ec.europa.eu] Enviado el: martes, 29 de mayo de 2012 12:21 Para: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA CC: bel.piet1 at gmail.com; renaud.difrancesco at eu.sony.com; dgr at whitestein.com'; Renaud.DiFrancesco at eu.sony.com; msli at icfocus.co.uk; irena.pavlova at isoft-technology.com; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; INFSO-ICT-285248 at ec.europa.eu Asunto: Errata corrige: FI-WARE: 2nd review report (month 9) Ares(2012)632820 Dear Mr Jimenez, dear Mr Hierro, Please ignore the previous e-mail and find enclosed the correct version of the outcome of the second FI-WARE review. Please distribute the review report to the partners in the consortium. Please acknowledge receipt of this e-mail. 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No paper > version will follow.**** > > **** > > Please distribute the review report to the partners in the consortium.**** > > **** > > Please acknowledge receipt of this e-mail.**** > > **** > > Kind regards, > Federica **** > > **** > > Federica Tagliani > Assistant to Arian Zwegers > European Commission - DG INFSO/D.3 > Software & Service Architectures and Infrastructures > BU25 3/116, B-1049 Brussels > Tel: 32-02-2974471**** > > ** ** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > ------------------------------ > Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar > nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace > situado m?s abajo. > This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. 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BR ---- Jose Jimenez Telefonica I+D jimenez at tid.es tf +34 91 4832660 De: ste.depanfilis at gmail.com [mailto:ste.depanfilis at gmail.com] En nombre de stefano de panfilis Enviado el: martes, 29 de mayo de 2012 12:39 Para: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO CC: fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu Asunto: Re: [Fiware-pcc] RV: FI-WARE: 2nd review report (month 9) Ares(2012)632820 something very strange with the attachments. sure is for us???? ciao, stefano 2012/5/29 JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO > FYI ---- Jose Jimenez Telefonica I+D jimenez at tid.es tf +34 91 4832660 De: Federica.TAGLIANI at ec.europa.eu [mailto:Federica.TAGLIANI at ec.europa.eu] Enviado el: martes, 29 de mayo de 2012 12:01 Para: JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA CC: bel.piet1 at gmail.com; renaud.difrancesco at eu.sony.com; dgr at whitestein.com'; Renaud.DiFrancesco at eu.sony.com; msli at icfocus.co.uk; irena.pavlova at isoft-technology.com; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; INFSO-ICT-285248 at ec.europa.eu Asunto: FI-WARE: 2nd review report (month 9) Ares(2012)632820 Dear Mr Jimenez, dear Mr Hierro, Please find enclosed the outcome of the second FI-WARE review. No paper version will follow. Please distribute the review report to the partners in the consortium. Please acknowledge receipt of this e-mail. Kind regards, Federica Federica Tagliani Assistant to Arian Zwegers European Commission - DG INFSO/D.3 Software & Service Architectures and Infrastructures BU25 3/116, B-1049 Brussels Tel: 32-02-2974471 ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra pol?tica de env?o y recepci?n de correo electr?nico en el enlace situado m?s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. 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