dear thierry, thank you for rising so important issues! i agree the toc should be agreed basically at the start of the work on the specific task, to avoid people to loose time on unnecessary aspects of the work, and i agree also that wp2 should lead the discussion on this aspect for what concerns technical deliverables. i also suggest to distribute the assement of the deliverable between people, normally two rewing persons outside the specific wp or outside the team who actually wrote the deliverable, to speed-up the actual submission of deliverables. using word (standaolne text based editors) is against the phylosophy of the project that we all agree since the beginning. changing this policy is a matter of the pcc, but i'm reluctant to do so. by the way, there is aspecific function which allows you to check the changes made per each wiki page. 2012/5/4 <thierry.nagellen at orange.com> > Dear all,**** > > ** ** > > I would raise here a main concern regarding how we are managing our > deliverables. Basically and since the beginning of the project we are late > for all deliverables and it will be a strong concern for our Project > Officer and our reviewers in less than 2 months during the review.**** > > ** ** > > We can split our deliverables into 2 categories: technical deliverables > where all technical chapters have to provide their own content, and > classical deliverables directly related to a dedicated WP.**** > > ** ** > > F or the t feeling and the feedback from IoT team is that we never have > the ToC on time, which is normally 2 months before to deliver the final > version, and when we have the ToC, guidelines are always moving especially > during the last 2 weeks because the technical chapters did not really apply > the guidelines (or because we are not able to manage correctly the > consistency between chapters). In the case of these technical deliverables, > the rule we apply is that Telefonica is the Editor because Telefonica is > the chief architect. My main question here is: what is the role of WP2 till > the beginning of the project? Could we use this place to prepare and > discuss the ToC together in this place and maintain it or just small > changes to avoid writing something in a rush at the last minute?**** > > We could also define the GANTT with the expected deliverables and when the > ToC should be ready.**** > > **&nb ass=MsoNormal>For the classical deliverables, there are not managed > as a first priority till now and we have the same concern regarding the ToC > definition and who is responsible of what. Very often the only names put in > a deliverable are WP Leader or WP Architect and each technical team has to > manage partner’s contribution. When the same partners are involved in > several WPs, it is very difficult to coordinate contributions and at the > end to reach a good quality for the deliverable. What should be clearly > stated is that if the skeleton of the deliverable is moving, the editor is > responsible to adapt previous contribution to the new framework and not to > ask 70 people to do the same work twice or three times.**** > > ** ** > > For both categories of deliverables, wiki format is for me not the right > format to have working document. To track changes or to p ut right me > especially when we change the skeleton. Furthermore, we have no clear rules > first for the private deliverables how they will be published on the wiki > (I’ve sent a previous email on this subject for exploitation deliverable > but did not receive any answer) and how the existing public information is > managed and by whom to introduce some changes.**** > > ** ** > > I think all these points are also of my responsibility as WP leader > because we spend too much time to write several times the same content in > different ways, we are late for all deliverables and we create lots of > noise around technical tasks and middleware we have to deliver. We will > have to explain all these points to the Commission in 2 months so we have > to identify solutions and be able to improve our project management to > avoid any crisis with the Commission.**** > > I’m opened for any suggestions but my first proposals are the following:** > ** > > **· **Organize WP2 meetings to define ToC and guidelines for > technical deliverables**** > > **· **Provide a GANTT for all further deliverables**** > > **· **Use mainly word document to be able to track easily all > changes and for private deliverables**** > > **· **Based on the ToC allow responsibilities to editor and main > contributors**** > > ** ** > > Best regards.****< /p> > > *Thierry Nagellen* **** > > *Program Manager Future Internet* > *Orange Labs Networks & Carriers* > 905 rue Albert Einstein > 06921 Sophia Antipolis Cedex > +33 492 94 52 84 > +33 679 85 08 44**** > > *New email address: *thierry.nagellen at orange.com **** > > ** ** > > > _______________________________________________ > Fiware-wpl mailing list > Fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu > http://lists.fi-ware.eu/listinfo/fiware-wpl > > -- Stefano De Panfilis Chief Innovation Officer Engineering Ingegneria Informatica S.p.A. via Riccardo Morandi 32 00148 Roma Italy tel (direct): +39-068307-4295 tel (secr.): +39-068307-4513 fax: +39-068307-4200 cell: +39-335-7542-567 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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