Dear Axel, We are not talking here about the license of Generic Enabler implementations. The license applicable to a Generic Enabler implementation is up to the party who generates that particular Generic Enabler implementation, as already established by the CA. So DO NOT OPEN DEBATES on a matter THAT DON'T EXIST. What we were talking about here is the license of Generic Enabler Specifications, which as the CA stands, have to be public and royalty-free. On the other hand, we thought it was not a rather good idea going public without adding some sort of disclaimer about liability. That's why we considered that defining a single license for FI-WARE Generic Enabler Specifications, which essentially states the open and royalty-free nature of the specs and established this disclaimer on liability, was the right thing to do. Note that this legal notice is similar to the one any other industry consortia who pretends that their specifications gets adopted actually incorporate in their published specs (e.g., W3C, Oasis, etc). Adopting an approach that means that the license Generic Enabler Specifications is defined per Generic Enabler Specification will become unmanageable. Overall when there are several clear cases (e.g., the FI-WARE NGSI specification) where several companies are involved and it's unclear who can be entitled to become the only "owners" of the specs. It would create also a lot of confusion in the users of the specs who would wonder why there are so many variants and whether they would lead to incompatibilities. Do definitively we have to go for a single legal notice on specifications. A different story is about copyright of the specifications. You may argue that going for a "Copyright © 2012 FIWARE Project partners" for all specifications is too simplistic, but ... who is going to arbitrate who is the actual owner of a given spec that has been produced in a collaborative manner (incorporating comments from peer-reviewers, ideas during joint meetings, etc) ? Again a much different story applies to GE Implementations where clearly the contribution of parties can be measured and then ownership of each party can be determined. Please don't mix different things. Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the sentence "Copyright © 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright © 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their opinion is written down. Would that work for you ? Best regards, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es<http://www.tid.es> email: jhierro at tid.es<mailto:jhierro at tid.es> twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote: Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose, we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic Enabler. 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