dear juanjo, i do agree with the new points and the overall structure already known by everybody (hopefully we all are able to proper answer to all such aspects). i'd like anyway to push forward a question: what about adoption by other fp7 projects and/or initiatives. as you know i'm particularly keen on this latter aspect as the huge effort i'm doing, with other colleagfues, to have eit ict labs as preferred, or at least one of the main, channel for having our technologies widely adopted. i think frand conditions migth be a barrier in this respect. of course happy to discuss this. please be sure arian, and even more peter, will ask about that. ciao, stefano 2012/11/2 Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es> > Dear all, > > Now that we have agreed to send the proper response to Arian, I would > like to gather some input for the presentations to be prepared. > > I have added a new bullet regarding point 1, and refined also its third > bullet. I have highlighted the changes in green. As stated in my > previous email, your feedback is welcome. > > Cheers, > > -- Juanjo > > > > *1. Terms and conditions of use of GE RI (Reference Implementations)**within and beyond the FI-PPP > * > > > - Statement: Partners will comply with what was agreed in the > Collaboration Agreement and there were some clear points there we should > remind: > - Within the FI-PPP: > - provided without costs > - no special support conditions (e.g., 24x7, SLA) therefore > "best-effort" > - some GEs may be planned to be delivered "as a Service" and > software will be provided for local deployments, and supported, only if a > UC project/trial provides a good rationale > - Beyond the FI-PPP: > - provided under FRAND terms > - support conditions are subject to bi-lateral agreements > - some GEs may be planned to be delivered "as a Service" and > software will be provided for local deployments only subject to bilateral > agreements > - However, the above conditions are limited to FI-PPP partners, > when they require this in writing and only for the use to exploit > foreground (results) they have developed in the FI-PPP > > > - The EC must understand that the requirement to extend the conditions > defined beyond the FI-PPP also beyond the FI-PPP partners (i.e., any third > party) was not initially considered so it takes time to analyze and bring a > response to this new requirement > > > - We won't be able to talk about pricing at this stage (end of 1st > Release, initial developments of 2nd Release) regarding offering beyond the > FI-PPP and FI-WARE. However, we plan to bring information per GE > regarding what kind of commercial models are planned to be supported by the > corresponding GE owner, including what is going to be the kind/nature of > support associated to each of those commercial models planned. When I > refer to kind of commercial models, I mean to describe how the GE RI can be > used/delivered, for example (note that models below are not exclusive): > - GE RI is provided "as a Service" globally without restrictions > - GE RI is provided "as a Service" with some restrictions (e.g., > support to some regions or specific to certain application domain) > - GE RI is provided as downloadable software that is deployed by a > user > - GE RI implementation is licensed so that third parties can > commercialize it > - etc > > (Question mark here: when can we commit that this information can be > available for all GEs ? what can we say regarding dates when this info will > be provided ?) > > > - We may anticipate that the terms and conditions under which GEis in > the Second Release will be offered to third parties will be public and > transparent in the FI-WARE Catalogue. We my share some initial ideas on > the matter during the meeting but they are currently under discussion: > - The entry corresponding to a particular GEi may have a tab > elaborating on "Use Terms and Conditions" linked to different commercial > models being supported. There may be several commercial models applicable > to the same GEi, each with its own "Use Terms and Conditions". Some > commercial models where listed above. > - Each instance in the "Instances" Tab will have a link to the > proper "Use Terms and Conditions" (described in the "Use Terms and > Conditions" tab). > - The "downloads" Tab will have a link to the "Use Terms and > Conditions" that apply when the software of the GEi is downloaded and > installed locally if such offering is supported. > > > > *2. Involvement of third parties and rapid take-up of FI-WARE results* > > - We have always assumed that we were part of a program, and that > means that the contribution of others to this goal should be carefully > designed. It is not just FI-WARE ALONE who can cover this goal: > - FI-WARE will setup and Open Innovation Lab with a significant set > of resources that will allow third parties to experiment applications, but > other projects of the program have to bring the real trial environments > where third parties can deploy the applications they have experimented in > the Open Innovation Lab: > - It would be highly desirable that Trial projects allow third > parties to deploy experimental applications in their infrastructure > - It should be requested that the Capacity Building project > support third parties in deploying experimental applications on top of the > shared FI-WARE Instance facility (or network of FI-WARE Instances) it is > supposed to bring and offer in phase 2 > - The investment in the Open Innovation Lab is not trivial, it > would be fair to recognize that we are planning to deliver something > relevant for experimenting/testing applications: > - about 1,2 M€ of investment in datacenter infrastructure > (servers, connectivity) linked to the Open Innovation Lab > - negotiations with Sevilla and Málaga cities so that the Open > Innovation Laba datacenter infrastructure is complemented by sensor > networks that may allow third parties to experiment applications that deal > with sensors > - ... projects in phase 2 should bring what is needed as > complementary (support to deployment of applications in real trials) > - All this should be borne in mind when selecting and > negotiating projects in phase 2 > > > - We need actions that help us to disseminate FI-WARE technologies and > the Open Innovation Lab within the wider community of application > developers. > - Despite we have planned the necessary support to such dissemination > activities, we expected that CONCORD would coordinate that and would take > care of sponsoring relevant events > - We welcome the suggestion of the EC to focus the 3rd Open Call in > sponsoring this sort of activities > > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > > ------------- > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital > website: www.tid.es > email: jhierro at tid.es > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro > > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect > > You can follow FI-WARE at: > website: http://www.fi-ware.eu > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware > linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 01/11/12 17:20, Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu wrote: > > Dear Jose, > > > > Since the public launch event has been moved to Nov 6, a lot of space on > the agenda was created. We would like to use this space efficiently. > > > > Therefore, please find the final agenda for the review on Nov 5 attached. > > > > Best regards, > > Arian. > > > > PS. I will not be available for Nov 6, and I doubt that Peter is. He is > currently on holiday. > > > > > > *From:* JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO [mailto:jimenez at tid.es <jimenez at tid.es>] > *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2012 3:27 PM > *To:* FATELNIG Peter (CNECT) > *Cc:* ZWEGERS Arian (CNECT); JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA; 'Ana Garcia'; > fiware-pcc > *Subject:* RE: FI-WARE testbed launch Seville > > > > Dear Peter > > > > Finally, after a lot of discussion, it seems we are going to have two > events, related but separated. > > > > - First is the FI-WARE review. November 5th . I attach the agenda. > This event will be under invitation in a large room but not in an > auditorium. It will bring representatives from all FI-WARE partners and, > if you think it appropriate, you can have side meetings. Since many > internal strategic discussion could take place, we preferred not to make it > fully public. > > > > - Second is a full event on opportunities of Smart cities . That > will be November 6th and will be much more institutional (and in Spanish) > to promote the PPP and the opportunities it will offer. I tried to have > this second event in English but it seemed, after discussion with our > Commercial people, that English was not adequate if we wanted to have any > audience at all. That was also a reason not to have an open event for > November 5th > > > > The second event will be covered fully by the local press (and national > also). They will also make reference to the FI-WARE event on Monday but, as > I say, it will not be fully public. > > > > I enclose the programmes of the two events > > > > Comments (particularly for the Nov 5th event) are welcomed (it is > internal, so we can change it without notice) > > > > For the event of the 6th we intend to make maximum publicity > > > > BR > > > > > > *From:* Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu [mailto:Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu<Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu>] > > *Sent:* lunes, 15 de octubre de 2012 14:55 > *To:* JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO > *Cc:* Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu > *Subject:* FI-WARE testbed launch Seville > > > > Dear Jose, > > > > With the event coming closer, would you have a final agenda, notably for 5 > November? > > > > Would there be an opportunity to have a side meeting with members of the > FI-WARE consortium present in Seville that day? > > > > What sort of PR related work do you foresee? I suppose we could reuse some > through the Commission's PR channels? > > > > Many thanks, best, Peter > > > > *From:* JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO [mailto:jimenez at tid.es <jimenez at tid.es>] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:06 AM > *To:* FATELNIG Peter (CNECT); tcl at forskningsradet.no > *Cc:* ZWEGERS Arian (CNECT) > *Subject:* RE: [FIF] FI-WARE testbed launch > > > > Dear Till Christopher > > > > Certainly, it would be a pleasure having FIF at the event. Peter has > already sent you our draft agenda. > > > > Do you think it would be appropriate a separate participation from your > side?. My suggestions is FIF is incorporated in one of the Round tables > since the event is already rather crowded. > > > > Best regards > > > > *From:* Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu [mailto:Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu<Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu>] > > *Sent:* martes, 09 de octubre de 2012 8:59 > *To:* tcl at forskningsradet.no > *Cc:* Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO > *Subject:* RE: [FIF] FI-WARE testbed launch > > > > > > Ouups, first I awaited to have a final, final confirmation on the date and > then it went down the list. Sorry for the delay beyond necessary. The > workshop will take place on 5 November, with a 'Spanish' day on 6 November, > attached the workshop agenda for your consideration. > > > > I ccied Jose Jimenez from Telefonica, the FI-WARE coordinator, who > masterminds this pubic launch and who surely would welcome a representative > of the Future Internet Forum. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Peter > > > > > > *From:* Till Christopher Lech [mailto:tcl at forskningsradet.no] > *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2012 9:23 AM > *To:* FATELNIG Peter (CNECT) > *Subject:* [FIF] FI-WARE testbed launch > > > > Dear Peter, > > > > It’s been nice seeing you again in Warsaw last week! > > > > During your presentation on the FI-PPP’s state of play, you mentioned the > official FI-WARE test bed launch in Seville, November 8th. > > > > As I might be interested in attending, can you at this point provide any > more information on the event? Will there be an invitation issued to > FIF-members? Any details (or pointers to more technical info) would be > highly appreciated! > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Med vennlig hilsen / Best regards > > > > Till Christopher Lech > > > > Seniorrådgiver / Senior Adviser > > The Research Council of Norway > > Mail: tcl at rcn.no > > Phone: +47 922 40884 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar > nuestra política de envío y recepción de correo electrónico en el enlace > situado más abajo. > This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and > receive email on the basis of the terms set out at: > http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx > > > ------------------------------ > > > Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar > nuestra política de envío y recepción de correo electrónico en el enlace > situado más abajo. > This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. 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