Dear Stefano, I welcome your proposal as a pragmatic way to move things forward. I would definitively go for assigning the 250KEUR per country to the partner that we agree to designate as mentor in that country. BTW, regarding Spain, I believe the right partner to designate as mentor is Red.es. One issue that we may take into account is that if 250KEUR of funding are assigned to the mentor per country ... it may require that this funding has to be "co-funded" ... isn't it ? I'm afraid we cannot justify this activity under "Other" kind of activities, therefore funded 100%. As an example, if we decide to assign the 250 KEUR for connecting smart cities in Italy to Engineering (or Telecom Italia), that would go as funding, therefore we would have to declare that Engineering (or Telecom Italia) has a budget of 500 KEUR that can actually map to the 250 KEUR of assigned funding ... Of course, we may agree that this would be just temporarily, so once the right partner to lead the integration of cities in Italy to the FI-WARE OIL is identified, we would translate both the funding and the budget to that partner (therefore it would be that partner who would need to provide the required co-funding). Is it the way you foreseen this to be implemented ? Subcontracting may sound like a good idea in a first approach, but would create problems to the mentor company because, again coming back to the example of Italy, it would mean that only 50% of the subcontracting would be funded ... Cheers, -- Juanjo On 30/05/13 20:41, stefano de panfilis wrote: dear all, as you migth remember i was assigned the coordination of a task force to select and than link a set smartcities as initial stakeholders of future interent applications (fi-apps) in the context of oil. this initial idea and plan was reinforced during the pre-fia workshop organised by nuria on the matter. people there realised and agreed that technologies per se are useless if we do not make available with them data, i.e. with what the fi-apps are meant to deal with. of course such data cannot be just experimental data-sets, but live data coming from the real world. this was also agreed in a pcc meeting when we agreed to create such task force and we agreed also to have the smartcity as the first attempt core topic. unfortunately after i sent you the charter for this data set i followed not too closely this task due to the many things around oil and overal suistaability of the fi-ppp inlcuding a more closer link with eit ict labs. now is time to resume actions without any further delay as the launch of oil and testbed v2 is just ahead all of us! together we juanjo we elaborated a pragmatic proposal to shortening as much as possible such delay. here it follows. Instead of going for a preliminary set of interviews with all the cities that some of you listed to me, which is going to be time-consuming (a time that we may have before, but not now) just decide to split the budget identified for this mission into the several countries where there are cities that have expressed their interest to be involved: France, Italy, amd Spain. In addition i'd propose to give a last chance to Germany to be in the loop as it will host a node in XiFi and clearly Germany is a country i believe should not be kept aside. Thus, including Germany, this would mean devoting a 250 KEUR budget per country (may be a bit more, Juanjo still to have a final check) The proposal is to designate a "mentor" per country among the existing partners starting from those belonging to the pcc. Its responsibility would be to find out whom the 250 KEUR of budget should be assigned to. For such mentors the proposal is: - Engineering and Telecom Italia for Italy - Orange and Thales for France - ATOS and Telefonica, most likely supported by Red.es, for Spain - SAP (eventually supported by DT and Fraunhofer given the strong link they have with Berlin from the OUTSMART use case project - of course up to SAP to decide) for Germany. Of course happy to receive an ack "we want to be in the game" from alex as well! On 28 June we should have a pcc phc on the matter where well defined plans of cities involvement are shared, discussed and agreed. such plans to be circulated on 26 June for reading. At that meeting we do agree to assign them (one partner per country, to decide among the ones proposed above) the designated budget per country as subcontracting or leave it assigned to TID as subcontracting. Actually Juanjo and me would go for option 1 which should go with assuming the responsibility to achieve the goal of getting that connection establishedand operational by the end of October. If at the meeting plans are too weak or fuzzy the budget for that country should be re-assigned to other more promising countries. Then, it would be a matter of booking the budget that way in amendment 5 (the new one that is currently under negotiation to incorporate partners from the Open Calls 2 and 3). The committment should be: - to have higly representative of the selected cities at the campus party event where a contest with awards in money (50-70KEUR) for fi-apps will be launched. - to have the cities infrastructure linked to oil operational by the end of October as i said before. As an example i like to laid down what i have agreed so far with Trento. I made this exercise, not to be first, but to understand the feasibility of the plan and of the idea to liìnk stakeholders such as cities to oil. In trento they have a data center managed by terntino networks which is the public company dedicated to ict services. deployed in that data centers, among other applications, there is SmartCampus, which is already an application very close to fi-apps principles which deliver services to students not as such but as digital natives. services available from SmartCampus are public transportation time schedule and ticketing, social networking, and so on. in addition innovative students can implement new services on top of it. SmartCampus takes benefit from the Abou 140 open data sets managed by the province of trento. However SmartCampus is not meant to be scalable. The draft agreement so far for the trento link to oli is the following: - trentoRise (the association between the University of Trento and the FBK research center) to be the main contractor. this is due to the fact that first of all a city in italy cannot be subcontracted as such, secodn becouse is a precise requirement from the city to have trentoRise as the technology provider for them - the consortium to be formed by: -- Province of Trento -- Municipality of Trento -- Municipality of Rovereto -- the Associtaion of Mucipalities of the Province of Trento - SmartCampus will be linked to oil through a set connectors allowing oil to take benefit of the 140 open data sets - SmartCampus to be extended by taking into consideration geis from chapter 3, 4, and 6 at a first attempt. most likely in a second phase also geis from chapter 5 will be considered. i think this is a good example of what we migth achieve in this task to engagé smartcities stakeholders in oil. of course things can be different for the other cities, but at least this example shoes that our, fi-ware, idea of oil is viable and well accepted by cities. it would be also nice to present some other draft examples during the review. happy to help you all and also to have your comments on the matter. ciao, stefano -- Stefano De Panfilis Chief Innovation Officer Engineering Ingegneria Informatica S.p.A. via Riccardo Morandi 32 00148 Roma Italy tel (direct): +39-068307-4295 tel (secr.): +39-068307-4513 fax: +39-068307-4200 cell: +39-335-7542-567 _______________________________________________ Fiware-pcc mailing list Fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:Fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu> https://lists.fi-ware.eu/listinfo/fiware-pcc ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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