dear colleagues, i think the answer from ilkka shows that he exploits his political attitude, but he certainly does not know what "in principle" he is driving: we are not in front of a typical dispute between projects, here there is much more! it is definitively true that the fi-ppp is a common programme, but not all the projects have the same impact and i can say this very well as you all know engineering is involved in three uc projects in addition to fi-ware and xifi. the use case projects are "nicely" adopting and evaluating technologies in some special domanis, but to people that in principle come to the event for the first time if as first thing you do not explain what the programme is supposed to deliver how they can understand the evaluations? they can discuss about "general" future internet, but what about explaining the vision of the programme? the programme, through fi-ware fi-lab and fi-ops, provides a serious answer and position with respect to future internet, how to transmit this to the audience with the current agenda? i suspect ilkka does not have a vision about what the "programme" intends to deliver, and honestly i think the change in concord did not solved at all the situation from the previuous concord ... only the close cooperation of fi-ware and xifi and the committment of some partners, as not all are really committed, can push to a success the whole initiative. the rest let do what they want in the end they are irrelevant .... i understand why ilkka reacted that way, but this time he completely missed what is core and what is collateral, important, but still collateral .... apologises for the tone of this email, but i needed to scream a bit and i can only do by sharing my feelings with whom every day figths for the success of the fi-ppp initiative. ciao, stefano 2014-02-26 11:33 GMT+01:00 De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria <nuria.delama at atos.net>: > First reaction…exactly what I would expect (see below e-mail from Ilka, FI > PPP chair). > > > > Now, the issue is to decide if FI-WARE will collaborate to make this event a > success (I suppose we should do) if our conditions are accepted. I do not > see other options even if my personal opinion is that this will require a > lot of money and effort that we would have never done if not “obliged” by > the programme. > > > > From: Lakaniemi Ilkka [mailto:ilkka.lakaniemi at aalto.fi] > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:18 AM > To: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria > Cc: Milon Gupta; Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; > Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Hierro Sureda > Juan José; David Kennedy; Malmberg Katariina > Subject: Re: FI-WARE @ECFI_Formal reaction to OC decission > > > > Dear all, > > > > We are supposed to be part of the same programme here. Granted there are > differences in views and agendas between the projects - however, I have to > say I am amazed and fed-up of all the various e-mails bouncing around about > nitty-gritty details. > > > > Let's get our act together here and agree on the common denominators to > highlight all the projects at all the coming events. > > > > I have just had good talks with Phase 3 projects to get them in the right > mood and spirit. > > > > I am not willing to let ECFI to escalate into something that will > unnecessarily rock the boat. By the end of the week, we need to have an > agreement how FI-PPP, FI-WARE, ECFI are all joined at acceptable ways to > all. There is no other way. > > > > Ilkka > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > "De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria" <nuria.delama at atos.net> kirjoitti 26.2.2014 kello > 11.18: > > Hi Milon, all, > > > > Let me inform you that I came back to the FI-WARE team with the suggestions > and conclusions of the ECFI OC. That content has triggered many internal > discussions and the FI-WARE PCC has agreed the formal answer below: > > > > We regret to say that our feeling is that your proposal goes against the > principles that should guide the re-design of the program. Those > principles were very well summarized by Peter Fatelnig in his mail of > February 18. By the way, we wonder whether you still propose keeping a fee > of 285€ to attendees which we also find deterrent. > > > > Under the current circumstances and given the short time to settle down all > the disparate views on the design of the program, we wonder whether it would > be better to cancel the event. Looking for other dates and a design of the > event which a) doesn't require to ask for a high fee to attendees and b) can > be organized activating the network of contacts of phase 3 projects, look > like a good rationale you can give to people who had already registered. > > > > As said, I am transmitting the project position. Let us know which are the > next steps and how to contribute to a plan that is shared by all parties. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Nuria > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Milon Gupta [mailto:gupta at eurescom.eu] > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 5:28 PM > To: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter; 'ECFI-1org at fi-ppp.eu' > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI_v2 > > > > Dear Nuria, > > > > Thank you very much for your updated session proposals. The ECFI-1 > organising committee (OC) agreed to most of what you proposed. > > > > The description of your parallel session on “Open APIs and Open Minds" is > already online at http://www.ecfi.eu/programme-brussels2014/session-10/ > > > > Concerning your request to have a 30-min plenary presentation on "FI-WARE, > FI-Ops and FI-Lab", the participating OC members (including representatives > from FINESCE, FIspace, FI-CONTENT, and XIFI) unanimously agreed after a > comprehensive discussion of the different aspects that it would not be > feasible/beneficial to shorten the lunch break on day 1, as you had > suggested, in order to insert this session. > > The lunch break on day 1 is a crucial time for participants to explore the > exhibition. Shortening the lunch break from 90 min to 60 min would > seriously reduce the interaction at the booths/demos, which is one of the > important aspects of the event. The second reason is that the OC considered > it more appropriate to dedicate a full hour (instead of 30 min) of plenary > time to an important topic like " FI-WARE, FI-Ops and FI-Lab", which is only > feasible on day 2. In addition, the longer duration will also make it > possible to have a XIFI representative present FI-OPs and have some time for > Q&A. > > > > Thus, I ask for your understanding that the OC scheduled the proposed > plenary session for the morning of day 2. The draft description is online at > http://www.ecfi.eu/session-9/ In order to finalise the session agenda, I > would like to ask you to coordinate with Monique from XIFI. > > > > In addition to organising these 2 sessions, I would ask for FI-WARE's > support in actively promoting ECFI Brussels over the next few weeks, in > order to attract a good number of participants to our joint FI-PPP event. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Milon > > > > From: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria [mailto:nuria.delama at atos.net] > > Sent: Freitag, 21. Februar 2014 08:40 > > To: Milon Gupta > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI_v2 > > > > I am experiencing problems with my e-mail today and apparently this message > did not go out. I try again. > > > > From: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:17 AM > > To: 'Milon Gupta' > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI_v2 > > Importance: High > > > > Hi all, > > > > Since Monday morning I will be flying I decided to anticipate the new > version of the FI-WARE contributions. > > Find attached version 2 of the proposal that includes the following changes > wrt v1. > > > > • I have changed the title of the plenary presentation to reflect the three > brands more explicitly and it was initially proposed by Juanjo • I have > added the three logos; still they should not only appear in the session > description but in the overall programme • I have added agenda and speakers > to the session (the parallel workshop) keeping the explanations to guide > attendees about the content (of course now I have to confirm speakers) > > > > Be aware that in previous discussions both the EC (Peter) and Ilka agreed to > have a FI-WARE/FI-LABS/FI-OPS presentation at the beginning of the programme > (beginning of the conference means day 1). Checking the existing programme I > think this could be well accommodated by delaying lunch 30 minutes, which > seems reasonable because it would still be typical Brussels lunch time. > > > > Let me know if something else from my side is needed. > > > > Best regards, Nuria > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Milon Gupta [mailto:gupta at eurescom.eu] > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:42 PM > > To: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Dear Nuria, > > > > That is perfectly fine with me. Draft agendas with session descriptions and > speakers to be confirmed are all I expect by Monday morning. > > > > If you are available I could call you Monday afternoon after the OC call to > discuss the next steps. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Milon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria [mailto:nuria.delama at atos.net] > > Sent: Donnerstag, 20. Februar 2014 18:33 > > To: Milon Gupta > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Thank you Milon. > > > > I will try to progress on that. I can draft agendas for the sessions with > potential speakers. Be aware that I cannot confirm names in 2 days because > those people will need to check the possibility to travel on those dates. > > > > In some cases I already initiated the process (for example, I asked Juanjo > to check the availability of some of the Campus Party winners). So, I will > provide what I can on Monday and we go on working on it from that point. > > > > Best regards, Nuria > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Milon Gupta [mailto:gupta at eurescom.eu] > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:19 PM > > To: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Dear Nuria, > > > > At the last DWG conference call there was general agreement that the FI-WARE > project should organise a plenary session and a more in-depth parallel > session on presenting FI-WARE, FI-LAB and FI-OPs - for the FI-OPs part in > collaboration with XIFI. The ensuing DWG e-mail discussion according to my > understanding showed that your original proposal had neglected the FI-OPs > part, and I think you had agreed to work together with the XIFI people to > work on a revised version of your original proposal. Your draft proposal has > been lacking necessary details like envisaged speakers and, thus, needs to > be revised anyhow. It would be good, if you could send a revised draft to > the DWG by Monday morning, 24 February, 11:00, so we could consider it in > the ECFI-1 OC call. > > > > Just to make this clear: after the agreement in the DWG, the ECFI-1 OC will > not discuss whether to have a plenary session and a parallel session > organised by FI-WARE or not, but only how and when it should happen. This > requires, of course, that FI-WARE delivers the required agendas, including > speakers, for both sessions soon. Without preempting the ECFI-1 OC call > discussion, I daresay that accommodating your wish to have the FI-WARE > organised plenary session in the morning of day 1 is hardly feasible, as > this would require un-inviting high-level speakers who add value to the > conference programme and who took months to secure. Thus, my proposal to the > ECFI-1 OC, which I had already explained at the last DWG call, has been to > start day 2 with the FI-WARE organised plenary session. > > > > In addition to the conference programme, the FI-WARE project will have > plenty of opportunities for presenting FI-WARE, FI-LAB and FI-OPs in the > exhibition. Please send me the description of the FI-WARE stand at your > earliest convenience. In addition, I would appreciate, if FI-WARE could > mobilise its PR forces to promote the event. > > > > As you can see, there is a lot of actions you can take right now - there is > absolutely no reason for you to wait for outcomes of the next organising > committee call. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Milon > > > > From: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria [mailto:nuria.delama at atos.net] > > Sent: Donnerstag, 20. Februar 2014 10:58 > > To: Milon Gupta; Fatelnig Peter > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Hi all, > > > > Thank you very much for the open exchange of messages. > > > > I think the position of FI-WARE is clear: > > • I welcome the agreement by the EC and Ilka on the plenary session showing > that the three brands FI-WARE/FI-LAB/FI-OPS are up and running → I > understand that for both the plenary session and the parallel workshop we > have to wait until the Organizing committee agrees on that and approves the > contents formally. Be aware that I will not start preparing anything until I > get confirmation > > > > • Then, involvement of Ogilvy can happen, but their assignment of resources > is very much planned, and as I pointed out, some works can be done but would > require CONCORD to pay unless we talk about minor works. For example, some > support to design could be given, but if we want new material to be created > or to provide media coverage of the event, this would have to be covered (as > said, we have assigned this kind of resources to external events that can > have more impact at commercial level). If this is not feasible you can > always rely on a lot of things that have been done. FI-WARE has elaborated > quite a lot of material for different events: we have the generic ones and > the ones focused on smart cities (brochures, posters…). Additionally we > count on a channel fed with lots of videos recorded in different events (UK; > Lithuania, Spain, Brazil…). > > > > Tell me if you finally fix a teleconference or if you want that I trigger > any additional action. > > > > Best regards, Nuria > > > > From: Milon Gupta [mailto:gupta at eurescom.eu] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 4:43 PM > > To: Fatelnig Peter > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria; Lakaniem Ilkka; > Hierro Sureda Juan José; David Kennedy > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Dear Peter, > > > > Thank you for your suggestions, which I forwarded yesterday for > consideration to the other members of the ECFI-1 organising committee (OC), > which I am chairing. The ECFI-1 OC was created about half a year ago as a > temporary group within the DWG with the mandate to plan and implement the > event. Decision procedures are organised transparently in order to ensure > participation and commitment by a maximum number of projects. > > > > The ECFI-1 OC will have a conference call next week. I will update you on > any decisions agreed by the ECFI-1 at that meeting as well as any other > relevant developments in regard to the event. > > > > In the meantime, I would appreciate any support the EC and the FI-WARE > project could provide in promoting the ECFI event towards potential > participants. > > > > Due to other commitments, I am not available for a conference call this > week. Maybe we could have a chat next week after the ECFI-1 OC conference > call, where I could update you on the latest status. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Milon > > > > > > From: Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu [mailto:Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu] > > Sent: Dienstag, 18. Februar 2014 10:48 > > To: nuria.delama at atos.net; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; Milon > Gupta; David Kennedy > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > Importance: High > > > > Dear colleagues, > > Thanks for the frank discussion on how best to position the event and the > operational aspects. Here – in a staccato approach – what I believe would be > the way forward: > > 1) Objective: Pitching the Future Internet PPP outcomes (FI-Ware, FI-Lab and > FI-Ops) and what phase 3 holds in terms of opportunities to the Brussels > microcosm. > > 2) The fee of 285 Euro is a deterrent. Can it be lowered to 99 Euro (and > reimburse those who have paid)? Can it be waived altogether? > > 3) A key message is: "The FI-PPP delivers, the product lines FI-Ware, FI-Lab > and FI-Ops are there and work today", celebrate the early 'usages' by phase > 2 projects and the hackathons. > > 4) Key points for the debate could be: What are the challenges to make > FI-PPP outcomes sustainable? What are the challenges the fast pace of > technological changes pose for FI-Ware? What are non-technical challenges? > What needs to be done to make the FI-PPP a success? > > 5) A FI-Ware, FI-Lab and FI-Ops – mini-session should be added to the > opening plenary (What is are the products, where are we in the programme, > show 1-2 working examples…). Not more than 25 minutes. > > 6) The input material for the conference needs to be catchy. No point of > showing half-baked, technical speak in a format which is not appealing. > Again the key message is: The FI-PPP delivers! Then one should expand on the > 'products' i.e. FI-Ware, FI-Lab and FI-Ops and then on the two –pronged > take-up actions. 1) The P2 domain specific large scale trials and the 16 FI > Accelerators of P3. I think it is indispensable that FI-WARE connection to > Ogilvy is used 110% to produce publishable material before the end of the > months (admittedly the website is nice). > > 7) I would like to write to a number of Commission service to raise interest > and invite to attend (I will also ask Mario to write to his peers), > including Member states representatives. > > 8) Equally I would expect that the companies in FI-WARE and the P2 trials > will activate their representations in Brussels and the associations they > are member of (e.g. DigitalEurope). Also the ETPs, Nessi, Net!Works (and the > new 5GPPP), FIRE, Smart City EIP should be pushed as multipliers of the > message. > > Final question: > > • While hearing all views, the event now needs somebody who makes the > decision, fast and firm, in order to move actions. Who will be that driver > where all inputs can be focussed and actions is organised? > > • Can we have another phone call towards the end of the week? > > • Nuria, would it be possible to activate Ogilvy already now? > > I wanted to be sharp on the above, of course in the end there is flexibility > everywhere as we go along. > > Best, Peter > > > > From: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria [mailto:nuria.delama at atos.net] > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:39 PM > > To: FATELNIG Peter (CNECT) > > Cc: Lakaniemi Ilkka (ilkka.lakaniemi at aalto.fi); Juanjo Hierro; Milon Gupta; > David Kennedy (kennedy at eurescom.eu) > > Subject: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Hi Peter, all, > > > > Thanks for the discussion we had yesterday. I have come back to some of my > colleagues, including the Ogilvy team to check the way we could support the > ECFI event. > > > > We are of course glad to help. As said during the teleconference, FI-WARE is > going through its last phase and we are running out of resources; that is > why we had to assign some of the remaining resources to those activities > where the ROI seems to be higher and in our case these are the ones that > target developers and people outside the research community. > > Nevertheless, there is still some time to work on that. Let me suggest the > following actions. > > > > • I attach the FI-WARE proposal for the programme. This includes a > presentation in the plenary plus a parallel session where some of the > concepts will be extended. The initial presentation will be made by Juanjo, > but for the parallel session our idea is to count not only on internal > people, but also “FI-WARE” ambassadors, including cities that have connected > to FI-WARE as well as some of the winners of the hackathons (for example > from the last edition of Campus Party held in Brazil). Of course names will > be confirmed once the session is approved and assuming the do not have to > pay the fee (I also sent it to the DWG for consideration by the OC) • > FI-WARE has also confirmed its presence in the exhibition (still details to > be sent) > > > > It was not easy to confirm this because, as you know, we were working until > recently on the basis of the session with the Chamber of Commerce. > > > > Assuming that these changes are implemented in the programme then, we could > get more engaged in the design and visibility of the event. As said before, > FI-WARE can provide suggestions for improvement, but if more time intensive > work is needed, then we would need to cover the costs of Ogilvy. This would > be specifically required for this type of activities: > > - new designs of flyer, stands, ... > > - Material production (for example, if online development is required..) > > - Coverage of the event if we want to create professional media material > (and a team from Ogilvy has to travel there). We did this in ICT event, > Smart City Expo, Campus Party London and Campus Party Brazil with very good > results > > > > The remaining budget has been assigned to the next Campus party, some > important political events in Spain and the one we have to organize with the > Chambers of Commerce. We are in discussions with FI-CONTENT on how to do it > for CeBIT precisely because of limited resources. > > > > However, FI-WARE puts at the disposal of anyone in the PPP all the material > already created. Links to videos have been distributed and I do not think > there is anything against using them on the ECFI website to make it more > dynamic, including statements about the FI PPP from relevant people. > > • A lot of audiovisual material in > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6tA5RY6g04&list=UUbXNGF_hhvKpXdQ1KxzX2HQ > > > > Let us know your views. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Nuria de Lama > > > > Research & Innovation > > Representative to the European Commission > > > > M +34 680645692 > > T +34 91214 9321 > > F +34 91754 3252 > > nuria.delama at atos.net > > Albarracín 25 > > 28037 Madrid > > Spain > > www.atosresearch.eu > > es.atos.net > > > > > > IMPORTANT - MAIL ADDRESS CHANGE - From now on, please use only mail address > nuria.delama at atos.net The former @atosresearch.eu address will be cancelled > soon > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fiware-pcc mailing list > Fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu > https://lists.fi-ware.eu/listinfo/fiware-pcc > -- Stefano De Panfilis Chief Innovation Officer Engineering Ingegneria Informatica S.p.A. via Riccardo Morandi 32 00148 Roma Italy tel (direct): +39-068307-4295 tel (secr.): +39-068307-4513 fax: +39-068307-4200 cell: +39-335-7542-567
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