thank you janjo very well done! the same wording without consulting each other .... yes we are on the same board :-) ciao, stefano ps: i understand why you say more than once that ilkka agrees with you, but i'm pretty sure you did only for diplomatic reasons ... ;-) 2014-02-26 19:38 GMT+01:00 De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria <nuria.delama at atos.net>: > Stefano, all, > > > > I think it is worth sharing with you the e-mail sent by Juanjo a while ago > to ilka, EC and Eurescom colleagues. > > > > I think it is clear and to my knowledge it reflects well the spirit of > everyone involved in the FI-WARE PCC. Just for your background. > > > > > > From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:17 PM > To: Lakaniemi Ilkka; De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria > Cc: Milon Gupta; Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; > Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; David Kennedy; > Malmberg Katariina; jhierro >> "Juan J. Hierro" > > > Subject: Re: FI-WARE @ECFI_Formal reaction to OC decission > > > > Dear Ilkka, > > You are right, but I wonder how someone may say that (s)he is on the same > boat when something that should be evident after almost three years of > execution of the program is denied: FI-WARE, FI-Ops and FI-Lab are > cornerstone in the program. This, btw, to the extend that success of the > program could be measured in terms of successful adoption of FI-WARE/FI-Lab > (FI-Ops being instrumental for the creation of FI-WARE instances). Note > that I feel positive that you personally agree in this vision but I'm not > sure about others. > > We have tried all our best to make this ECFI event something a) coherent > and b) successful. However, the fact is that our recommendations have been > ignored: > > We tried to increase the visibility of the event by means of merging it with > the Eurochambers event that was planned within FI-WARE. We were sure that > one was going to attract a lot of people, actually the kind of audience we > want to attract to the ECFI event, so we proposed the merging in order to > attract as many people as possible to the ECFI event. However, our > proposal was rejected and now Eurochambers is seeking for a separated event > by end April or beginning of May. Bottom line: we missed a great > opportunity to attract target audiences. A real pity ... but we ended > accepting that decision. However: > We proposed to have a speech of 20-30' on FI-WARE/FI-Lab/FI-Ops right at the > start of the event, so we can provide a coherent and solid message. This > has been placed on the second day. We are said that placing such a speech > at the beginning will jeopardize the structure of the whole agenda. Come > on, is it so difficult? It's absurd. > We already mentioned a couple of times that the words FI-WARE, FI-Lab or > FI-Ops do not appear a single time in the home page of the ECFI event and > that should be fixed. This demand has been ignored. It's again absurd. > > > BTW, the two last points above are aligned with EC's recommendations > (please check email from Peter Fatelnig of February 18) ... but they have > also been ignored. > > The organization of the ECFI event again looks like denying the role that > FI-WARE, FI-Ops and FI-Lab play in the whole program. We simply want to > say it clear: that is bad for the program. Given the fact that we want to > push for a successful ECFI event and this seems like not well understood > and, again, has to be discussed, we wondered whether it is not better to > postpone the event for a later date. Don't get it wrong. Postponing it is > also frustrating to us. However, we are seeking for the best for the > program and It's better to postpone an event in order to clear up all this > mess than keeping dates which means assuming a so high risk of failure. > Overall when there may be good arguments you can give to external people > (need to redeem the tickets that have been paid, opportunity to co-locate it > with Eurochambers' event, opportunity to engage organizations in phase 3, > etc.) > > I tell you that when we explain people of Ogilvy what's going on, they get > astonished. They are professionals of communications who are not tied at > all to any particular interest or product we are developing. They are just > trying to design an effective communication campaign. They would tell you > that they cannot understand how you can communicate the goals and the > activities of the FI-PPP without explaining what is FI-WARE and FI-Lab and > the role both play in the program. > > The ECFI event is, btw, a proof of concept regarding wide communication. > Now I wonder how the FI-PPP plan would be explained to projects in phase 3, > overall the target web entrepreneurs that will be addressed. Do we plan > to explain it without explaining what FI-WARE or FI-Lab are about or maybe > explaining it in an annex ? Come on. > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > ------------- > > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital > > website: www.tid.es > > email: jhierro at tid.es > > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro > > > > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Coordinator > > and Chief Architect > > > > FI-PPP Architecture Board chairman > > > > You can follow FI-WARE at: > > website: http://www.fi-ware.eu > > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > > twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware > > linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > On 26/02/14 11:18, Lakaniemi Ilkka wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > We are supposed to be part of the same programme here. Granted there are > differences in views and agendas between the projects - however, I have to > say I am amazed and fed-up of all the various e-mails bouncing around about > nitty-gritty details. > > > > Let's get our act together here and agree on the common denominators to > highlight all the projects at all the coming events. > > > > I have just had good talks with Phase 3 projects to get them in the right > mood and spirit. > > > > I am not willing to let ECFI to escalate into something that will > unnecessarily rock the boat. By the end of the week, we need to have an > agreement how FI-PPP, FI-WARE, ECFI are all joined at acceptable ways to > all. There is no other way. > > > > Ilkka > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > "De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria" <nuria.delama at atos.net> kirjoitti 26.2.2014 kello > 11.18: > > Hi Milon, all, > > > > Let me inform you that I came back to the FI-WARE team with the suggestions > and conclusions of the ECFI OC. That content has triggered many internal > discussions and the FI-WARE PCC has agreed the formal answer below: > > > > We regret to say that our feeling is that your proposal goes against the > principles that should guide the re-design of the program. Those > principles were very well summarized by Peter Fatelnig in his mail of > February 18. By the way, we wonder whether you still propose keeping a fee > of 285€ to attendees which we also find deterrent. > > > > Under the current circumstances and given the short time to settle down all > the disparate views on the design of the program, we wonder whether it would > be better to cancel the event. Looking for other dates and a design of the > event which a) doesn't require to ask for a high fee to attendees and b) can > be organized activating the network of contacts of phase 3 projects, look > like a good rationale you can give to people who had already registered. > > > > As said, I am transmitting the project position. Let us know which are the > next steps and how to contribute to a plan that is shared by all parties. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Nuria > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Milon Gupta [mailto:gupta at eurescom.eu] > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 5:28 PM > To: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter; 'ECFI-1org at fi-ppp.eu' > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI_v2 > > > > Dear Nuria, > > > > Thank you very much for your updated session proposals. The ECFI-1 > organising committee (OC) agreed to most of what you proposed. > > > > The description of your parallel session on “Open APIs and Open Minds" is > already online at http://www.ecfi.eu/programme-brussels2014/session-10/ > > > > Concerning your request to have a 30-min plenary presentation on "FI-WARE, > FI-Ops and FI-Lab", the participating OC members (including representatives > from FINESCE, FIspace, FI-CONTENT, and XIFI) unanimously agreed after a > comprehensive discussion of the different aspects that it would not be > feasible/beneficial to shorten the lunch break on day 1, as you had > suggested, in order to insert this session. > > The lunch break on day 1 is a crucial time for participants to explore the > exhibition. Shortening the lunch break from 90 min to 60 min would > seriously reduce the interaction at the booths/demos, which is one of the > important aspects of the event. The second reason is that the OC considered > it more appropriate to dedicate a full hour (instead of 30 min) of plenary > time to an important topic like " FI-WARE, FI-Ops and FI-Lab", which is only > feasible on day 2. In addition, the longer duration will also make it > possible to have a XIFI representative present FI-OPs and have some time for > Q&A. > > > > Thus, I ask for your understanding that the OC scheduled the proposed > plenary session for the morning of day 2. The draft description is online at > http://www.ecfi.eu/session-9/ In order to finalise the session agenda, I > would like to ask you to coordinate with Monique from XIFI. > > > > In addition to organising these 2 sessions, I would ask for FI-WARE's > support in actively promoting ECFI Brussels over the next few weeks, in > order to attract a good number of participants to our joint FI-PPP event. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Milon > > > > From: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria [mailto:nuria.delama at atos.net] > > Sent: Freitag, 21. Februar 2014 08:40 > > To: Milon Gupta > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI_v2 > > > > I am experiencing problems with my e-mail today and apparently this message > did not go out. I try again. > > > > From: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:17 AM > > To: 'Milon Gupta' > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI_v2 > > Importance: High > > > > Hi all, > > > > Since Monday morning I will be flying I decided to anticipate the new > version of the FI-WARE contributions. > > Find attached version 2 of the proposal that includes the following changes > wrt v1. > > > > • I have changed the title of the plenary presentation to reflect the three > brands more explicitly and it was initially proposed by Juanjo • I have > added the three logos; still they should not only appear in the session > description but in the overall programme • I have added agenda and speakers > to the session (the parallel workshop) keeping the explanations to guide > attendees about the content (of course now I have to confirm speakers) > > > > Be aware that in previous discussions both the EC (Peter) and Ilka agreed to > have a FI-WARE/FI-LABS/FI-OPS presentation at the beginning of the programme > (beginning of the conference means day 1). Checking the existing programme I > think this could be well accommodated by delaying lunch 30 minutes, which > seems reasonable because it would still be typical Brussels lunch time. > > > > Let me know if something else from my side is needed. > > > > Best regards, Nuria > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Milon Gupta [mailto:gupta at eurescom.eu] > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:42 PM > > To: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Dear Nuria, > > > > That is perfectly fine with me. Draft agendas with session descriptions and > speakers to be confirmed are all I expect by Monday morning. > > > > If you are available I could call you Monday afternoon after the OC call to > discuss the next steps. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Milon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria [mailto:nuria.delama at atos.net] > > Sent: Donnerstag, 20. Februar 2014 18:33 > > To: Milon Gupta > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Thank you Milon. > > > > I will try to progress on that. I can draft agendas for the sessions with > potential speakers. Be aware that I cannot confirm names in 2 days because > those people will need to check the possibility to travel on those dates. > > > > In some cases I already initiated the process (for example, I asked Juanjo > to check the availability of some of the Campus Party winners). So, I will > provide what I can on Monday and we go on working on it from that point. > > > > Best regards, Nuria > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Milon Gupta [mailto:gupta at eurescom.eu] > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:19 PM > > To: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy; Fatelnig Peter > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Dear Nuria, > > > > At the last DWG conference call there was general agreement that the FI-WARE > project should organise a plenary session and a more in-depth parallel > session on presenting FI-WARE, FI-LAB and FI-OPs - for the FI-OPs part in > collaboration with XIFI. The ensuing DWG e-mail discussion according to my > understanding showed that your original proposal had neglected the FI-OPs > part, and I think you had agreed to work together with the XIFI people to > work on a revised version of your original proposal. Your draft proposal has > been lacking necessary details like envisaged speakers and, thus, needs to > be revised anyhow. It would be good, if you could send a revised draft to > the DWG by Monday morning, 24 February, 11:00, so we could consider it in > the ECFI-1 OC call. > > > > Just to make this clear: after the agreement in the DWG, the ECFI-1 OC will > not discuss whether to have a plenary session and a parallel session > organised by FI-WARE or not, but only how and when it should happen. This > requires, of course, that FI-WARE delivers the required agendas, including > speakers, for both sessions soon. Without preempting the ECFI-1 OC call > discussion, I daresay that accommodating your wish to have the FI-WARE > organised plenary session in the morning of day 1 is hardly feasible, as > this would require un-inviting high-level speakers who add value to the > conference programme and who took months to secure. Thus, my proposal to the > ECFI-1 OC, which I had already explained at the last DWG call, has been to > start day 2 with the FI-WARE organised plenary session. > > > > In addition to the conference programme, the FI-WARE project will have > plenty of opportunities for presenting FI-WARE, FI-LAB and FI-OPs in the > exhibition. Please send me the description of the FI-WARE stand at your > earliest convenience. In addition, I would appreciate, if FI-WARE could > mobilise its PR forces to promote the event. > > > > As you can see, there is a lot of actions you can take right now - there is > absolutely no reason for you to wait for outcomes of the next organising > committee call. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Milon > > > > From: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria [mailto:nuria.delama at atos.net] > > Sent: Donnerstag, 20. Februar 2014 10:58 > > To: Milon Gupta; Fatelnig Peter > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; > David Kennedy > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Hi all, > > > > Thank you very much for the open exchange of messages. > > > > I think the position of FI-WARE is clear: > > • I welcome the agreement by the EC and Ilka on the plenary session showing > that the three brands FI-WARE/FI-LAB/FI-OPS are up and running → I > understand that for both the plenary session and the parallel workshop we > have to wait until the Organizing committee agrees on that and approves the > contents formally. Be aware that I will not start preparing anything until I > get confirmation > > > > • Then, involvement of Ogilvy can happen, but their assignment of resources > is very much planned, and as I pointed out, some works can be done but would > require CONCORD to pay unless we talk about minor works. For example, some > support to design could be given, but if we want new material to be created > or to provide media coverage of the event, this would have to be covered (as > said, we have assigned this kind of resources to external events that can > have more impact at commercial level). If this is not feasible you can > always rely on a lot of things that have been done. FI-WARE has elaborated > quite a lot of material for different events: we have the generic ones and > the ones focused on smart cities (brochures, posters…). Additionally we > count on a channel fed with lots of videos recorded in different events (UK; > Lithuania, Spain, Brazil…). > > > > Tell me if you finally fix a teleconference or if you want that I trigger > any additional action. > > > > Best regards, Nuria > > > > From: Milon Gupta [mailto:gupta at eurescom.eu] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 4:43 PM > > To: Fatelnig Peter > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia; De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria; Lakaniem Ilkka; > Hierro Sureda Juan José; David Kennedy > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Dear Peter, > > > > Thank you for your suggestions, which I forwarded yesterday for > consideration to the other members of the ECFI-1 organising committee (OC), > which I am chairing. The ECFI-1 OC was created about half a year ago as a > temporary group within the DWG with the mandate to plan and implement the > event. Decision procedures are organised transparently in order to ensure > participation and commitment by a maximum number of projects. > > > > The ECFI-1 OC will have a conference call next week. I will update you on > any decisions agreed by the ECFI-1 at that meeting as well as any other > relevant developments in regard to the event. > > > > In the meantime, I would appreciate any support the EC and the FI-WARE > project could provide in promoting the ECFI event towards potential > participants. > > > > Due to other commitments, I am not available for a conference call this > week. Maybe we could have a chat next week after the ECFI-1 OC conference > call, where I could update you on the latest status. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Milon > > > > > > From: Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu [mailto:Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu] > > Sent: Dienstag, 18. Februar 2014 10:48 > > To: nuria.delama at atos.net; Lakaniem Ilkka; Hierro Sureda Juan José; Milon > Gupta; David Kennedy > > Cc: Fatelnig Peter; Berström Ragnar; Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu; > Maria-Concepcion Anton Garcia > > Subject: RE: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > Importance: High > > > > Dear colleagues, > > Thanks for the frank discussion on how best to position the event and the > operational aspects. Here – in a staccato approach – what I believe would be > the way forward: > > 1) Objective: Pitching the Future Internet PPP outcomes (FI-Ware, FI-Lab and > FI-Ops) and what phase 3 holds in terms of opportunities to the Brussels > microcosm. > > 2) The fee of 285 Euro is a deterrent. Can it be lowered to 99 Euro (and > reimburse those who have paid)? Can it be waived altogether? > > 3) A key message is: "The FI-PPP delivers, the product lines FI-Ware, FI-Lab > and FI-Ops are there and work today", celebrate the early 'usages' by phase > 2 projects and the hackathons. > > 4) Key points for the debate could be: What are the challenges to make > FI-PPP outcomes sustainable? What are the challenges the fast pace of > technological changes pose for FI-Ware? What are non-technical challenges? > What needs to be done to make the FI-PPP a success? > > 5) A FI-Ware, FI-Lab and FI-Ops – mini-session should be added to the > opening plenary (What is are the products, where are we in the programme, > show 1-2 working examples…). Not more than 25 minutes. > > 6) The input material for the conference needs to be catchy. No point of > showing half-baked, technical speak in a format which is not appealing. > Again the key message is: The FI-PPP delivers! Then one should expand on the > 'products' i.e. FI-Ware, FI-Lab and FI-Ops and then on the two –pronged > take-up actions. 1) The P2 domain specific large scale trials and the 16 FI > Accelerators of P3. I think it is indispensable that FI-WARE connection to > Ogilvy is used 110% to produce publishable material before the end of the > months (admittedly the website is nice). > > 7) I would like to write to a number of Commission service to raise interest > and invite to attend (I will also ask Mario to write to his peers), > including Member states representatives. > > 8) Equally I would expect that the companies in FI-WARE and the P2 trials > will activate their representations in Brussels and the associations they > are member of (e.g. DigitalEurope). Also the ETPs, Nessi, Net!Works (and the > new 5GPPP), FIRE, Smart City EIP should be pushed as multipliers of the > message. > > Final question: > > • While hearing all views, the event now needs somebody who makes the > decision, fast and firm, in order to move actions. Who will be that driver > where all inputs can be focussed and actions is organised? > > • Can we have another phone call towards the end of the week? > > • Nuria, would it be possible to activate Ogilvy already now? > > I wanted to be sharp on the above, of course in the end there is flexibility > everywhere as we go along. > > Best, Peter > > > > From: De-Lama Sanchez, Nuria [mailto:nuria.delama at atos.net] > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:39 PM > > To: FATELNIG Peter (CNECT) > > Cc: Lakaniemi Ilkka (ilkka.lakaniemi at aalto.fi); Juanjo Hierro; Milon Gupta; > David Kennedy (kennedy at eurescom.eu) > > Subject: FI-WARE proposals for ECFI > > > > Hi Peter, all, > > > > Thanks for the discussion we had yesterday. I have come back to some of my > colleagues, including the Ogilvy team to check the way we could support the > ECFI event. > > > > We are of course glad to help. As said during the teleconference, FI-WARE is > going through its last phase and we are running out of resources; that is > why we had to assign some of the remaining resources to those activities > where the ROI seems to be higher and in our case these are the ones that > target developers and people outside the research community. > > Nevertheless, there is still some time to work on that. Let me suggest the > following actions. > > > > • I attach the FI-WARE proposal for the programme. This includes a > presentation in the plenary plus a parallel session where some of the > concepts will be extended. The initial presentation will be made by Juanjo, > but for the parallel session our idea is to count not only on internal > people, but also “FI-WARE” ambassadors, including cities that have connected > to FI-WARE as well as some of the winners of the hackathons (for example > from the last edition of Campus Party held in Brazil). Of course names will > be confirmed once the session is approved and assuming the do not have to > pay the fee (I also sent it to the DWG for consideration by the OC) • > FI-WARE has also confirmed its presence in the exhibition (still details to > be sent) > > > > It was not easy to confirm this because, as you know, we were working until > recently on the basis of the session with the Chamber of Commerce. > > > > Assuming that these changes are implemented in the programme then, we could > get more engaged in the design and visibility of the event. As said before, > FI-WARE can provide suggestions for improvement, but if more time intensive > work is needed, then we would need to cover the costs of Ogilvy. This would > be specifically required for this type of activities: > > - new designs of flyer, stands, ... > > - Material production (for example, if online development is required..) > > - Coverage of the event if we want to create professional media material > (and a team from Ogilvy has to travel there). We did this in ICT event, > Smart City Expo, Campus Party London and Campus Party Brazil with very good > results > > > > The remaining budget has been assigned to the next Campus party, some > important political events in Spain and the one we have to organize with the > Chambers of Commerce. We are in discussions with FI-CONTENT on how to do it > for CeBIT precisely because of limited resources. > > > > However, FI-WARE puts at the disposal of anyone in the PPP all the material > already created. Links to videos have been distributed and I do not think > there is anything against using them on the ECFI website to make it more > dynamic, including statements about the FI PPP from relevant people. > > • A lot of audiovisual material in > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6tA5RY6g04&list=UUbXNGF_hhvKpXdQ1KxzX2HQ > > > > Let us know your views. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Nuria de Lama > > > > Research & Innovation > > Representative to the European Commission > > > > M +34 680645692 > > T +34 91214 9321 > > F +34 91754 3252 > > nuria.delama at atos.net > > Albarracín 25 > > 28037 Madrid > > Spain > > www.atosresearch.eu > > es.atos.net > > > > > > IMPORTANT - MAIL ADDRESS CHANGE - From now on, please use only mail address > nuria.delama at atos.net The former @atosresearch.eu address will be cancelled > soon > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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