[Fiware-webui] Fwd: [Fiware] [IMPORTANT]Guidelines for the Open Specs (important clarification) - Deadline TODAY

Toni Alatalo toni at playsign.net
Wed Sep 9 07:02:35 CEST 2015


Hi - sorry about the old link to the arch diag but the current one is also
the same: client core is a thing there, and it describes well what
WebTundra implements.

I agree that it is useful to have the GEs as separate ones too but was
focusing on the case where the client core is provided as a single with a
unified API.

One place where I gave a shot at describing these different use cases was
for the ex- White Paper which became the developer guide:
https://www.fiware.org/devguides/providing-an-advanced-user-experience-ux/3d-ui-interactive-3d-graphics-and-augmented-reality-in-any-web-browser/

~Toni

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Philipp Slusallek <philipp.slusallek at dfki.de
> wrote:

> Hi Toni,
>
> There seems to be some confusion here. Our architecture diagram (the
> latest/current one is actually
>
> https://forge.fiware.org/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/Advanced_Web_UI_Architecture
> ).
> Show only a single GE, which is 3D-UI. Note that GE is a specification
> not an implementation. Also Sync is a separate GE
>
> Of that 3D-UI GE we have two implementations (GEi), XML3D and WebTundra.
> The latter of which is happening also to include an implementation of
> the Sync GE. XML3D has been the reference implementation (GEri), though,
> for 3D-UI since the beginning.
>
> I think that it is important to be able to separate 3D from Sync, as
> there are many cases where Sync is actually not needed and this is why
> these are separate GEs and why have implemented them separately -- but
> such that they can be combined nicely, when developers need it
> (improvements are certainly still possible and planned).
>
> YOu are coming from a different point of view where both GEs have always
> been come as a bundle -- and that is perfectly fine to do for GEs or
> combinations thereof. So we are all set here.
>
> But you are raising a good point, that our GEs are not as compatible as
> they probably could -- or even should -- be. I have raised this in some
> of our discussions/emails as a point that we need to address, as the
> commission had issues about us maintaining two GEs. I have been able to
> defend this and its not been raised as an issue in the review outcome.
> So we probably will not see an immediate complaint, but we should
> address this going forward.
>
> If we have time today, we maybe should start this discussion.
>
> As a quick solution, we could simply create pointers between the two GEs
> stating that for some use-cases it does make sense to use them together
> and where to find the API documentation to do so. Would that solve you
> immediate concerns?
>
>
> Best,
>
>         Philipp
>
>
>
> Am 09.09.2015 um 03:46 schrieb Toni Alatalo:
> > Hi - yes Torsten is correct and that was agreed, however that's not the
> > whole story so I try to clarify the situation here:
> >
> > WebTundra is the reference implementation of the client core in FIWARE
> > WebUI, see architecture diagram at
> >
> https://forge.fiware.org/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/Advanced_Middleware_and_Web_UI_Architecture#Architecture_Overview
> > . Because it is the only implementation where 3DUI and Synchronization
> > are integrated. And essentially for this spec biz: the idea is that
> > there is a unified API by which both 3D gfx and synchronization happen.
> >
> > That means that the developer uses a single API to develop a multiuser
> > application. Under the hood the 3D and Synchronization implementations
> > take care that the state is both rendered and replicated over the
> > network. And optionally the physics are simulated too, either in client
> > or server. But typically the developer does not use the GEs separately
> > but through a single API: the scene with the entities and components.
> > This is unfortunately not reflected well in the GE oriented docs now --
> > the issue was discussed earlier in a thread where I wondered whether we
> > miss a GE (this kind of ‘scene api ge’ or so).
> >
> > Furthermore, a result from old-fiware was that XML3D and Tundra EC-model
> > are essentially the same. In both there are components for 3D app
> > functionality which are easy for user to add: for example Mesh. These
> > are equivalent:
> >
> > XML3D:
> > <mesh src=”cube.json”>
> >
> > TXML:
> > <entity>
> >   <component type="EC_Mesh">
> >     <attribute value="cube.json" name="Mesh ref"/>
> >   </component>
> > </entity>
> >
> > WebTundra JS:
> > entity.addComponent(Tundra.Mesh, “cube.json”); //simplified fictional
> > API to illustrate
> >
> > No matter which syntax you use, the end result is the same: you get an
> > entity with a mesh component in your applications memory. So they really
> > are the same thing. Not theoretically but that is literally how
> > WebTundra works. This is documented in the 3DUI GE spec in the mapping
> > part:
> >
> https://forge.fiware.org/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/FIWARE.OpenSpecification.MiWi.3D-UI#Mapping_Synchronization_GE_data_to_XML3D_objects
> >
> > That scene model & JS API is documented now in the Synchronization GE.
> > But the whole point is that the same API is used for 3DUI. Developers
> > instantiate components and define their attributes, and the platform
> > takes care that they both a) show in 3D and b) are synchronized over the
> > net. So we actually have a single API for the two GEs.
> >
> > Basically what we want to say in the 3DUI spec is that in Tundra &
> > WebTundra we have components such as Mesh and Light. The current XML3D
> > oriented spec approximately says that so I’ve figured it is bearable.
> > And then the Sync GE specs describe the JS API for creating those
> > entities and components. I think it would be clearer though to have a
> > single document to tell all that but I’m not sure where we could put
> > that in the FIWARE scheme. Perhaps it is OK to have it externally just
> > as a realXtend dev doc. And of course in the FIWARE dev manuals. If
> > someone has better ideas for handling this though please do tell.
> >
> > Sync and 3DUI have specific things too but for the basics it’s the same.
> > Outside the common part, for example in Sync you can define client
> > connection handlers & authentication. And in 3DUI are specifics about
> > graphics such as material properties / shader parameters. There details
> > differ between the Three.js and XML3D implementations. XML3D.js is
> > obviously the reference implementation of XML3D itself, down to such
> > rendering details and DOM integration.
> >
> > But regarding FIWARE WebUI, perhaps the 3DUI spec should document only
> > the common part which works for the integrated 3DUI & Synchronization
> > solution? What is shared between the WebTundra core components & XML3D
> > elements (mesh, light etc. and their params). Then the details about
> > materials etc. are external in XML3D & Three.js documentations
> respectively.
> >
> > Hopefully this brings Cvetan and others up-to-speed what these spec docs
> > mean from a realXtend perspective. And even better if we find ways to
> > clarify the situation.
> >
> > ~Toni
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Torsten Spieldenner
> > <torsten.spieldenner at dfki.de <mailto:torsten.spieldenner at dfki.de>>
> wrote:
> >
> >     Yes :)
> >
> >     I did the same for FiVES - there is just no Open Spec for
> >     alternative implementations.
> >
> >     Best,
> >     Torsten
> >
> >     Am 04.09.15 um 3:27 PM schrieb Cvetan Stefanovski:
> >>     Ah alright, I seem to have missed that part.
> >>     In that case, can I just close the WebTundra OpenSpec JIRA issue?
> >>
> >>     On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:26 PM Torsten Spieldenner
> >>     <torsten.spieldenner at dfki.de <mailto:torsten.spieldenner at dfki.de>>
> >>     wrote:
> >>
> >>         Hi,
> >>
> >>         as the Spec is per GE, and not per GEi, we decided on
> >>         Wednesdays Web UI call that we are going to provide the
> >>         reference GE implementation spec here, which will come from
> >>         DFKI and is done with Respec, as discussed with Miguel and
> >>         Jose before.
> >>
> >>         The WebTundra-Specific JavaScript - API is a specialty of the
> >>         WebTundra-implementation, and will be linked from the User and
> >>         Programmers guide, but not be part of the overall GE spec. So
> >>         there is no Spec for WebTundra that needs to be submitted in
> >>         the scope of the incoming deadline.
> >>
> >>         @Toni: Feel free to correct me, if I got something wrong here :)
> >>
> >>
> >>         Best,
> >>         Torsten
> >>
> >>         Am 04.09.15 um 3:21 PM schrieb Cvetan Stefanovski:
> >>>         Hello,
> >>>
> >>>         I prepared the open spec docs for 2D-UI and Interface Designer.
> >>>         However, I cannot seem to find the previous open spec for
> >>>         WebTundra, as it is not on any page.
> >>>
> >>>         Toni: can you point out an URL where the open spec for
> >>>         WebTundra is?
> >>>
> >>>         On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:12 AM Torsten Spieldenner
> >>>         <torsten.spieldenner at dfki.de
> >>>         <mailto:torsten.spieldenner at dfki.de>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>             Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>             this is a reminder that TODAY is the deadline of having
> >>>             the Open Spec documents ready. I had a look at the WebUI
> >>>             Open Specs, and unfortunately, most of them are not in
> >>>             correct shape (see Miguels email below). As communicated
> >>>             on several mailinglists last week, the page should not be
> >>>             created by coarse copy of the contents of the old page,
> >>>             but by using includes in the Wiki page. See 3D-UI as
> example:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://forge.fiware.org/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php?title=FIWARE.OpenSpecification.WebUI.3D-UI_R4&action=edit
> >>>
> >>>             Also, as discussed in the Wednesday call, we need to make
> >>>             sure that ALL GE are documented. Some GE are still
> >>>             missing content completely.
> >>>
> >>>             Instructions of how to create the Apiary Doc from the
> >>>             sources will be sent by Miguel during this day.
> >>>
> >>>             Best,
> >>>             Torsten
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>             -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> >>>             Betreff:        Re: [Fiware] [IMPORTANT]Guidelines for the
> Open
> >>>             Specs (important clarification)
> >>>             Datum:  Thu, 3 Sep 2015 17:25:22 +0200
> >>>             Von:    MIGUEL CARRILLO PACHECO
> >>>             <mailto:miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com><
> miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com>
> >>>             <mailto:miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com>
> >>>             An:     fiware at lists.fi-ware.org
> >>>             <mailto:fiware at lists.fi-ware.org>
> >>>             <fiware at lists.fi-ware.org> <mailto:
> fiware at lists.fi-ware.org>
> >>>             Kopie (CC):     fiware-chapter-leaders at lists.fi-ware.org
> >>>             <mailto:fiware-chapter-leaders at lists.fi-ware.org>
> >>>             <fiware-chapter-leaders at lists.fi-ware.org>
> >>>             <mailto:fiware-chapter-leaders at lists.fi-ware.org>,
> >>>             fiware-chapter-architects at lists.fi-ware.org
> >>>             <mailto:fiware-chapter-architects at lists.fi-ware.org>
> >>>             <fiware-chapter-architects at lists.fi-ware.org>
> >>>             <mailto:fiware-chapter-architects at lists.fi-ware.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>             Dear all,
> >>>
> >>>             Two weeks after my first warning  I insist that some
> >>>             people are not getting this right(see my previous message
> >>>             on the matter below this message). [Security people,
> >>>             please see the note at the end]
> >>>
> >>>             I was looking at the contents of
> >>>             <
> http://wiki.fiware.org/Summary_of_FIWARE_Open_Specifications_R4><
> http://wiki.fiware.org/Summary_of_FIWARE_Open_Specifications_R4>
> http://wiki.fiware.org/Summary_of_FIWARE_Open_Specifications_R4
> >>>             and saw that many of you are not following the guidelines
> >>>             on the Guidelines for R4
> >>>             <
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wa15t2dSEucSA1xD7FyOLpP0ymihYYry0mhALV6GsXU
> >
> >>>             (see section 2.1)
> >>>
> >>>             Please take into account the text after "/*Note that most
> >>>             of the work is wiki “includes” * /" , it gives you the
> >>>             key to do this correctly.
> >>>
> >>>             I see that many of you are writing an independent text
> >>>             for all the page, completely decoupled from the
> >>>             architecture, which will result in a rejection when we
> >>>             inspect it.
> >>>
> >>>             Another example of a page that seems well edited (at
> >>>             least in the respect I refer to):
> >>>
> >>>               *
> https://wiki.fiware.org/FIWARE.OpenSpecification.Data.StreamOriented_R4
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>             The wiki source of the page explains very well how this
> goes:
> >>>
> >>>               *
> https://forge.fiware.org/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php?title=FIWARE.OpenSpecification.Data.StreamOriented_R4&action=edit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>             *Tomorrow I will send the instructions to deliver to us
> >>>             the Apiary Blueprint format to us (section 2.2 in the
> >>>             guidelines)  *
> >>>
> >>>             Best regards,
> >>>
> >>>             Miguel
> >>>             P.S.: The security people can link the architecture pages
> >>>             as they are now waiting the leaders to port it (as you
> >>>             know, the architecture was sent to the EC the other day).
> >>>             If a GE is new and does not have a page yet, just link
> >>>             the page name that will exist in the future. Check with
> >>>             Cyril if there are any doubts.
> >>>
> >>>             El 20/08/2015 a las 10:56, MIGUEL CARRILLO PACHECO
> escribió:
> >>>>             Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>>             A colleague came to me asking one question and I
> >>>>             realised that there is a wrong approach in some GEs.
> >>>>             Fortunately, I took a look and saw  that there are very
> >>>>             few who have posted their contributions to the wiki
> already.
> >>>>
> >>>>             The "*Summary of Open specs*" pages work as in previous
> >>>>             versions. I anticipated that it is a "coarse copy-paste
> >>>>             from previous versions" implying that the structure is
> >>>>             similar. For instance, see the source wiki page for the
> >>>>             "old" Open Specs of the Orion Context Broker:
> >>>>
> >>>>               *
> https://forge.fiware.org/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php?title=FIWARE.OpenSpecification.Data.ContextBroker&action=edit
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>             most of it is "includes" of Architecture pages!!!
> >>>>             Admittedly, sometimes you will need to shuffle around
> >>>>             the sections in the architecture to make them uniform
> >>>>             but this should not be a big deal.
> >>>>
> >>>>             The big work is actually for the other part, the API.
> >>>>             The "Summary" page should be easy and quick.
> >>>>
> >>>>             This must be a bit new for the new enablers/partners but
> >>>>             for the others it should be trivial to understand.
> >>>>
> >>>>             Sorry if this was not sufficiently clear in the first
> place.
> >>>>
> >>>>             Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>             Miguel
> >>>>             P.D.: It would be arguable whether to using the same
> >>>>             info on two pages makes sense. We were forced to do this
> >>>>             after receiving one comment from the reviewers.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>             El 18/07/2015 a las 0:07, MIGUEL CARRILLO PACHECO
> escribió:
> >>>>>             Dear all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             My colleague José Manuel Cantera has anticipated how
> >>>>>             you should edit the Open Specs APIs and this is the
> >>>>>             major item of work we expect for this part of the 4th
> >>>>>             Release of the Open Specs. But I will add the
> >>>>>             information to complete the work. We will proceed like
> >>>>>             this:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             AS REGARDS THE APIs
> >>>>>             =====================
> >>>>>
> >>>>>               * You will create the APIs following Jose Manuel´s
> >>>>>                 intructions, ideally on APIary.
> >>>>>               * If you do not use APIary as we expect you will do
> >>>>>                 by default, you are free to do so but it would be
> >>>>>                 trouble for you.  This would imply that the
> >>>>>                 automated tools we are creating to produce
> >>>>>                 deliverables would not work for you and you would
> >>>>>                 have to create all by hand and complying strictly
> >>>>>                 with the same templates, etc. We will not accept
> >>>>>                 any delays on the grounds of this, if you do not
> >>>>>                 accept APIry it is fine but then you will need to
> >>>>>                 make the effort to present the same docs in time.
> >>>>>               * The documents I refer to will be automatically
> >>>>>                 generated from your APIary repository and you will
> >>>>>                 add them to your Github repository.
> >>>>>                   o If you use APIary following the guidelines, you
> >>>>>                     will get the docs as an output of automated
> scripts
> >>>>>                   o If you do not use APIARy the process is the
> >>>>>                     same, you will have to edit the docs by hand
> >>>>>                     and upload to Github
> >>>>>                   o Jose Manuel will send the templates for those
> >>>>>                     who refuse to use APIAry when they are ready
> >>>>>                     (getting there but not available yet  ...).
> >>>>>                     Those using APIary do not need them.
> >>>>>               * You _*must*__*n't*_*__*edit the pages linked from
> >>>>>                 this one:
> >>>>>                   o
> http://wiki.fiware.org/Summary_of_FIWARE_API_Open_Specifications
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                   o At the end of the process we will just put a
> >>>>>                     list of links to the Github repos and this page
> >>>>>                     will just have the list of links.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             AS FOR THE "SUMMARY OF OPEN SPECS" PAGES
> >>>>>             =========================================
> >>>>>             The work space is this page I just created to start it
> up:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>               *
> http://wiki.fiware.org/Summary_of_FIWARE_Open_Specifications_R4
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             Work to do:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>               * This page is a coarse copy-paste from the previous
> >>>>>                 one with slight modifications. The chapter leaders
> >>>>>                 will have to add, delete, modify or whatever is
> >>>>>                 needed to ensure that we have the links for the GEs
> >>>>>                 in their chapters in R4 on this page. There are
> >>>>>                 radical changes to do in several chapters
> >>>>>                 (Security, I2ND and  WebUI, for instance)
> >>>>>               * Each GE owner will have to provide their inputs for
> >>>>>                 his/her GE page linked from here. Please use these
> >>>>>                 sections _*STRICTLY*_:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                         1 Preface
> >>>>>                         2 Copyright
> >>>>>                         3 Legal Notice
> >>>>>                         4 Overview
> >>>>>                         5 Basic Concepts
> >>>>>                         6 Generic Architecture
> >>>>>                         7 Main Interactions
> >>>>>                         8 Basic Design Principles
> >>>>>                         9 Detailed Specifications
> >>>>>                         10 Re-utilised Technologies/Specifications
> >>>>>                         11 Terms and definitions
> >>>>>
> >>>>>               * In "9 Detailed Specifications" we just want  a link
> >>>>>                 to the Github repository. We will add an
> >>>>>                 explanatory text later.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             DEADLINES
> >>>>>             =================
> >>>>>
> >>>>>               * *July, 24*: For the _*leaders *_to have the links
> >>>>>                 on page  ready (if absent, the *_Architect _*will
> >>>>>                 have to do it architect) – I will apply karma on
> >>>>>                 the 27th
> >>>>>               * *Sept, 4*: The summer is here and most of you will
> >>>>>                 take a few weeks of well deserved break. Let us
> >>>>>                 give a reasonable deadline the *GE owners* to have
> >>>>>                 their pages and all on Github at the beginning of
> >>>>>                 September (on the 4th).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             Needless to say, the chapter leaders have the duty of
> >>>>>             following up an ensuring that all is in good order and
> >>>>>             delivered on time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             Miguel
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