Dear Philipp,
Ok, thanks, it makes sense to clarify if there is just the slightest doubt.
Apparently XiFi had a similar situation and they submitted the case to
their internal board, who rejected the appeal in a vote. When I looked
into this I went to the DoW and saw that the governing body that fits
here is the PCC for the very reason that you express (funding
allocation). So, more formally expressed, this decision cannot be taken
by the coordinator (or PIIU) alone and must be submitted to the
adequate governing body (the PCC)
As regards the question, I proposed a simplified approach. As it seems
that they do not have a case, the vote the coordination proposes is to
see first if more thorough consideration applies or not. So we ask "Do
we reject their appeal or do we think that we need to explore other
options?"
I assume that this is what it was implicitly understood - but it is a
good idea to make it explicit. Thanks , Philipp.
Regards,
Miguel
El 30/03/2016 a las 13:22, Philipp Slusallek escribió:
> Hi Miguel,
>
> Mostly good again, thanks.
>
> My point was NOT the content, of whether the redress has merit or not
> (rather not, as I said). And it was NOT about the documents about the
> content (the relevant ones were attached/linked, thanks). It was also
> NOT about how the decision has been made (thus unrelated to Barbara).
>
> My point was that it was not made clear what the vote really was about
> and what it was based on: I think for such votes should be more clearly
> formulated what the basis for the vote is (it referred to the PCC but
> the definition of the PCC does not list redress, but it comes somewhat
> close, when talking about "funding decisions", this could simply be
> mentioned so its clear why we are voting the way we are voting).
>
> The other point is that there was no clear formulation of what the eact
> formulation of the question is that we are voting on. I would consider
> both of those to be key aspects when asking for a vote.
>
> But I hope I answered them in the right way and so all is fine.
>
> However, if you disagree with how I interpreted your email in the sense
> above, please let me know.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Philipp
>
> Am 30.03.2016 um 10:01 schrieb MIGUEL CARRILLO PACHECO:
>> Hi Philipp,
>>
>> I am hoping that you are well now!
>>
>> Reading the redress we believe that they do not have a case. If it
>> depended on us (TID), we would reject it right away. But you may not
>> share this view and we are creating a vote whether to reject it. If
>> there are objections or votes against the rejection then we should
>> continue working on it and decide on what to do with it more in detail.
>> But it seems that this will not be necessary.
>>
>> The backgound information and rationale for the vote were attached to
>> the original email, we asked PIIU for a doc precisely for that, to
>> provide information on the process to allow you to make an informed
>> decision! If you need further information please contact Barbara
>> Ferraioli <ferraioli at piu-innovazione.org>, apparently she was reluctant
>> to circulate or add to reports part of the info (evaluation sheets,
>> names of the evaluators, etc) for confidentiality/legal reasons but she
>> can describe the general procedure, the data we collected in the sheets
>> and how we did it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Miguel
>>
>> El 30/03/2016 a las 7:01, Philipp Slusallek escribió:
>>> Hi Miguel, all,
>>>
>>> Sorry for not voting yet (illness & vacation).
>>>
>>> However, reading your email I am not 100% sure what we are actually
>>> voting on as there is no clear question formulated neither in the email
>>> nor in the Doodle. Also there is no info as to what the background and
>>> rational for the vote is.
>>>
>>> I assume that according to EU rules FI-Core needs to make a decision
>>> whether we see that the redress is addressing valid concerns and has
>>> standing (or something like this), right? I will vote assuming that
>>> something like this is the question.
>>>
>>> Having looked at the proposal and the complaint I do not see that they
>>> have much standing. However, I must say that the review report is very
>>> short and lacking a lot of detail about what the decision is based on. I
>>> can at least partly understand why they are not happy about the report.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Philipp
>>>
>>> Am 21.03.2016 um 11:45 schrieb MIGUEL CARRILLO PACHECO:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> As some of you maybe aware, there was a redress from one of the
>>>> proposers (NEMNODE) who did not pass the evaluation of the Open Call.
>>>> This is project related (FI-Core) and not Foundation-related. It is the
>>>> FI-Core project who conducts the call and the one that incorporates the
>>>> new partners to the FI-Core consortium and provides the funds.
>>>>
>>>> We therefore need to call for a Fi-Core PCC vote that can be virtual -
>>>> we will do it in *doodle*. We will allow a long time because there are
>>>> holidays in between. Please *_vote _**_before 30/March_* . Voters are
>>>> the PCC members: Project Coordinator, The Technical Manager (same on in
>>>> this case), WPLs and WPAs (if different than the WPL).
>>>>
>>>> * http://doodle.com/poll/b9rgkuxi3uebhnci
>>>>
>>>> The details you may need to make an informed decision follow.
>>>>
>>>> I enclose the redress request. Part of it is inaccurate, we mustn't
>>>> publish the names of the experts (they must be kept private and
>>>> disclosing this would be serious). In any case, we added all the info
>>>> that is needed to the website:
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> https://www.fiware.org/fiware-labs-nodes-support-open-call-update-feb2016/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I enclose a quick summary of the process created by PIIU to provide the
>>>> rationale why we believe that this should be rejected. In short:
>>>>
>>>> * The evaluators are reputed, they have proven professional
>>>> credentials and that they are independent.
>>>> * All is traceable and the process followed was objective
>>>> * Most of the info could be extracted from previous reports.
>>>>
>>>> The proposal NEMNODE is here:
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/elth5nqskbia69g/FIWARE-LAB-OPEN-CALL-2015-PROPOSAL-NEMTSCHEK%20OOD%20-%20Part%20A%20and%20Part%20B.pdf?dl=0>https://www.dropbox.com/s/elth5nqskbia69g/FIWARE-LAB-OPEN-CALL-2015-PROPOSAL-NEMTSCHEK%20OOD%20-%20Part%20A%20and%20Part%20B.pdf?dl=0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The related ESR goes enclosed.
>>>>
>>>> Of course _*all this information must be kept confidential.*_
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Miguel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please update your address book with my new e-mail address:
>>>> miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com
>>>> <mailto:miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> _/ _/_/ Miguel Carrillo Pacheco
>>>>
>>>> _/ _/ _/ _/ Telefónica Distrito Telefónica
>>>>
>>>> _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ Investigación y Edifico Oeste 1, Planta 6
>>>>
>>>> _/ _/ _/ _/ Desarrollo Ronda de la Comunicación S/N
>>>>
>>>> _/ _/_/ 28050 Madrid (Spain)
>>>>
>>>> Tel: (+34) 91 312 94 15
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> e-mail: miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com
>>>> <mailto:miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Follow FIWARE on the net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Website: http://www.fiware.org
>>>>
>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/eu.fiware
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Fiware
>>>>
>>>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario,
>>>> puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso
>>>> exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el
>>>> destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilización,
>>>> divulgación y/o copia sin autorización puede estar prohibida en virtud
>>>> de la legislación vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le
>>>> rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y proceda
>>>> a su destrucción.
>>>>
>>>> The information contained in this transmission is privileged and
>>>> confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or
>>>> entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended
>>>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution
>>>> or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have
>>>> received this transmission in error, do not read it. Please immediately
>>>> reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error
>>>> and then delete it.
>>>>
>>>> Esta mensagem e seus anexos se dirigem exclusivamente ao seu
>>>> destinatário, pode conter informação privilegiada ou confidencial e é
>>>> para uso exclusivo da pessoa ou entidade de destino. Se não é vossa
>>>> senhoria o destinatário indicado, fica notificado de que a leitura,
>>>> utilização, divulgação e/ou cópia sem autorização pode estar proibida em
>>>> virtude da legislação vigente. Se recebeu esta mensagem por erro,
>>>> rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique imediatamente por esta mesma via e
>>>> proceda a sua destruição
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario,
>>>> puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso
>>>> exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el
>>>> destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilización,
>>>> divulgación y/o copia sin autorización puede estar prohibida en virtud
>>>> de la legislación vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le
>>>> rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y proceda
>>>> a su destrucción.
>>>>
>>>> The information contained in this transmission is privileged and
>>>> confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or
>>>> entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended
>>>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution
>>>> or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have
>>>> received this transmission in error, do not read it. Please immediately
>>>> reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error
>>>> and then delete it.
>>>>
>>>> Esta mensagem e seus anexos se dirigem exclusivamente ao seu
>>>> destinatário, pode conter informação privilegiada ou confidencial e é
>>>> para uso exclusivo da pessoa ou entidade de destino. Se não é vossa
>>>> senhoria o destinatário indicado, fica notificado de que a leitura,
>>>> utilização, divulgação e/ou cópia sem autorização pode estar proibida em
>>>> virtude da legislação vigente. Se recebeu esta mensagem por erro,
>>>> rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique imediatamente por esta mesma via e
>>>> proceda a sua destruição
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Fiware-chapter-architects mailing list
>>>> Fiware-chapter-architects at lists.fiware.org
>>>> https://lists.fiware.org/listinfo/fiware-chapter-architects
>>>>
>> --
>>
>> Please update your address book with my new e-mail address:
>> miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> _/ _/_/ Miguel Carrillo Pacheco
>> _/ _/ _/ _/ Telefónica Distrito Telefónica
>> _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ Investigación y Edifico Oeste 1, Planta 6
>> _/ _/ _/ _/ Desarrollo Ronda de la Comunicación S/N
>> _/ _/_/ 28050 Madrid (Spain)
>> Tel: (+34) 91 312 94 15
>>
>> e-mail: miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com
>>
>> Follow FIWARE on the net
>>
>> Website: http://www.fiware.org
>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/eu.fiware
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Fiware
>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario,
>> puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso
>> exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el
>> destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilización,
>> divulgación y/o copia sin autorización puede estar prohibida en virtud
>> de la legislación vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le
>> rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y proceda
>> a su destrucción.
>>
>> The information contained in this transmission is privileged and
>> confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or
>> entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended
>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution
>> or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have
>> received this transmission in error, do not read it. Please immediately
>> reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error
>> and then delete it.
>>
>> Esta mensagem e seus anexos se dirigem exclusivamente ao seu
>> destinatário, pode conter informação privilegiada ou confidencial e é
>> para uso exclusivo da pessoa ou entidade de destino. Se não é vossa
>> senhoria o destinatário indicado, fica notificado de que a leitura,
>> utilização, divulgação e/ou cópia sem autorização pode estar proibida em
>> virtude da legislação vigente. Se recebeu esta mensagem por erro,
>> rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique imediatamente por esta mesma via e
>> proceda a sua destruição
--
Please update your address book with my new e-mail address: miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------
_/ _/_/ Miguel Carrillo Pacheco
_/ _/ _/ _/ Telefónica Distrito Telefónica
_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ Investigación y Edifico Oeste 1, Planta 6
_/ _/ _/ _/ Desarrollo Ronda de la Comunicación S/N
_/ _/_/ 28050 Madrid (Spain)
Tel: (+34) 91 312 94 15
e-mail: miguel.carrillopacheco at telefonica.com
Follow FIWARE on the net
Website: http://www.fiware.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/eu.fiware
Twitter: http://twitter.com/Fiware
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932
----------------------------------------------------------------------
________________________________
Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilización, divulgación y/o copia sin autorización puede estar prohibida en virtud de la legislación vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y proceda a su destrucción.
The information contained in this transmission is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, do not read it. Please immediately reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error and then delete it.
Esta mensagem e seus anexos se dirigem exclusivamente ao seu destinatário, pode conter informação privilegiada ou confidencial e é para uso exclusivo da pessoa ou entidade de destino. Se não é vossa senhoria o destinatário indicado, fica notificado de que a leitura, utilização, divulgação e/ou cópia sem autorização pode estar proibida em virtude da legislação vigente. Se recebeu esta mensagem por erro, rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique imediatamente por esta mesma via e proceda a sua destruição
You can get more information about our cookies and privacy policies clicking on the following links: Privacy policy Cookies policy