I honestly believe that the agenda for the the educational session weeks could perfectly be arranged to meet their needs ... to me the issue simply seems to be that none of the proposed dates work for them ...
From my perspective, this can only be solved by means of arranging a virtual meeting where most of us can attend, plan a f2f meeting if we find a date and venue where those from the IoT/Data/Apps-composition chapters plus maybe me or Carlos can attend OR just rearrange InstantMobility's milestones so that they can get in better sync with FI-WARE ...
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On 24/04/12 07:32, Alex Glikson wrote:
At least from my perspective, one of the main goals of the 2 interlock sessions which have been scheduled is to conduct exactly the kind of technical discussion proposed by IM -- explain what we plan to deliver, let each UC outline their expectations from our GEs and how they would fit there architecture. So, assuming they come ready, we just might need to align the agenda accordingly. Frankly, I don't see a reason for any other kind of F2F session with them. Am I missing anything?
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Alex
From: stefano de panfilis <stefano.depanfilis at eng.it><mailto:stefano.depanfilis at eng.it>
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Date: 23/04/2012 09:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpl] Fwd: RE: Instant Mobility & FI-Ware F2F Meeting
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dear juanjo,
as testbed team we are eager for info from the uc projects!!! info on how they will use the testbed as this is crucial for us to:
- size the testbed, and
- plan the validation phase
to this extent we are planning a questionnaire to be briefly shown at each session of the educational week so that info can be gathered (basically the same we did fi-ware internally in the january week in madrid).
having said that, i think, if the meeting is only to highligth scenarios it could be fine, if it is to provide or discuss more requirements over specific ge, of course not (i agree with you) as this requires different engagements and, above all, has already its support being the backlog tool.
ciao,
stefano
2012/4/23 Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es<mailto:jhierro at tid.es>>
Hi all,
I would like to hear other's opinion. Particularly Thierry, given the fact that he is involved in the InstantMobility project and he may add some more background.
In a first approach, I feel reluctant to organize a f2f meeting prior to the planned f2f educational sessions because:
* This may open a "Pandora box" where we start continuously jumping from the request of one UC project to another
* During a FI-PPP SB meeting in January, it was already discussed that UC projects could slightly fine-tune their scheduling if that helps to achieve a better synchronization with FI-WARE. The EC should be willing to accept it (indeed, Peter Fatelnig and Andrian Zwegers were present at that meeting and didn't object to that). After all, it is not only FI-WARE who has to be the only one fighting for re-planning in order to achieve a better synchronization with UC projects.
Besides, I don't understand why one virtual meeting (or even two if necessary) couldn't work if well prepared ...
Last but not least, I believe that the presentation made on scenarios during the last Architecture Board should be considered just an introduction (BTW, I have to ask for a copy of the presentation). We would definitively need that the UC projects share more elaborated scenarios with us, where a detailed description about how they envision FI-WARE could be used, is provided.
However, I would like to hear other's opinions. May be your chapter teams don't have problems attending the demanded f2f meeting.
Cheers,
-- Juanjo
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Subject:
RE: Instant Mobility & FI-Ware F2F Meeting
Date:
Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:18:53 +0200
From:
GATELLIER Patrick <patrick.gatellier at thalesgroup.com><mailto:patrick.gatellier at thalesgroup.com>
To:
JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA <jhierro at tid.es><mailto:jhierro at tid.es>
CC:
JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO <jimenez at tid.es><mailto:jimenez at tid.es>, "thierry.nagellen at orange.com"<mailto:thierry.nagellen at orange.com> <thierry.nagellen at orange.com><mailto:thierry.nagellen at orange.com>, MARGUERITE Julie <julie.marguerite at thalesgroup.com><mailto:julie.marguerite at thalesgroup.com>, CRISTINA PEÑA ALCEGA <alcega at tid.es><mailto:alcega at tid.es>, "Dirk.Beckmann at dlr.de"<mailto:Dirk.Beckmann at dlr.de> <Dirk.Beckmann at dlr.de><mailto:Dirk.Beckmann at dlr.de>, "Maria-Concepcion.ANTON-GARCIA at ec.europa.eu"<mailto:Maria-Concepcion.ANTON-GARCIA at ec.europa.eu> <Maria-Concepcion.ANTON-GARCIA at ec.europa.eu><mailto:Maria-Concepcion.ANTON-GARCIA at ec.europa.eu>
Dear Juanjo,
We do not want to elaborate a lot on our scenarios already shown during the last Architecture Board but to exchange in details on enablers’ interfaces. This technical meeting requires more interactions that it is possible to manage with a virtual meeting, especially with the proposed agenda which target a five hours session.
Of course the educational sessions are relevant to improve Instant Mobility consortium knowledge on FI-Ware architecture and enablers and this is fully complementary to the technical sessions we expect.
In Instant Mobility work plan, we have to define in the following weeks what can be achieved for a relevant prototype and as you are fully aware, the first week you booked for the educational session is the same one than our review so Instant Mobility partners will attend the second session early in June. This is too late regarding our technical specifications deliverables deadline: the end of June.
Based on these elements, we expect that you will take into account our proposal for a face to face technical meeting which will be highly profitable for both projects and for future trials. Overall, this is no more than a one day meeting.
Best Regards
Patrick GATELLIER/Julie MARGUERITE
Instant Mobility Project Coordinators
De : Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es]
Envoyé : mercredi 18 avril 2012 20:01
À : GATELLIER Patrick
Cc : JOSE JIMENEZ DELGADO; thierry.nagellen at orange.com<mailto:thierry.nagellen at orange.com>; MARGUERITE Julie; CRISTINA PEÑA ALCEGA; Dirk.Beckmann at dlr.de<mailto:Dirk.Beckmann at dlr.de>; Maria-Concepcion.ANTON-GARCIA at ec.europa.eu<mailto:Maria-Concepcion.ANTON-GARCIA at ec.europa.eu>; jhierro >> "Juan J. Hierro"
Objet : Re: Instant Mobility & FI-Ware F2F Meeting
Dear Patrick,
Sorry for the delay in my response. Unfortunately, the original email didn't reach me because apparently you used a wrong email address, so that I learned about its existence during the confcall with the rest of members of the FI-PPP AB that we had on Monday afternoon.
It will be very difficult to arrange f2f meetings with each UC project apart from the ones we are currently planning, the weeks of May 21st and June 4th, as you are perfectly are aware of. However, the idea of having a meeting in advance was tackled during our last FI-PPP AB confcall and it was agreed to have them in the form of a virtual meeting per UC project. We can program it as long as it is needed so this should not be an obstacle. The dialogue around concrete scenarios that you would present to us during such a virtual meeting would help not only to solve some questions at that point in time, but to help preparing the f2f meetings we are planning. I remind you that during the f2f meetings, there will not only be sessions where FI-WARE will present chapters and answer questions/doubts, but also sessions where UC projects will present their envisioned architecture, around concrete and well-defined scenarios. Therefore, the proposed virtual meeting would help to prepare contents for the f2f meeting at both sides, helping to make it more effective.
If you agree, we can setup a doodle with tentative dates at which these virtual meeting could take place.
As you know, all this will work provided that the current proposal about replanning some milestones in FI-WARE gets accepted. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to spend the necessary resources. We believe this is the right thing to do at this moment, and this will be able to answer some of the recommendations from the overall FI-PPP Program reviewers, and we would like to get your support in that respect.
Best regards,
-- Juanjo Hierro
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On 18/04/12 15:53, GATELLIER Patrick wrote:
Dear FI-Ware colleagues,
We remind you of the last week mail below, still not answered.
You were also informed of this request by Thierry Nagellen at the last AB meeting.
To help you organizing this one day meeting, please find attached a tentative agenda.
Could you please give us a feedback by return ?
Many thanks
Best Regards
Patrick GATELLIER/Julie MARGUERITE
Instant Mobility Project Coordinators
De : GATELLIER Patrick
Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2012 17:12
À : 'jimenez at tid.es<mailto:jimenez at tid.es>'; ' jhierro at tid.es<mailto:jhierro at tid.es>’
Cc : 'thierry.nagellen at orange.com<mailto:thierry.nagellen at orange.com>'; MARGUERITE Julie; CRISTINA PEÑA ALCEGA; 'Dirk.Beckmann at dlr.de<mailto:Dirk.Beckmann at dlr.de>'; DAUTELLE Jean-Marie; GUIMONT Arnaud
Objet : Instant Mobility & FI-Ware F2F Meeting
Dear FI-Ware Colleagues,
During the last use case meeting, on the 26th of march, it was agreed between the UA representatives that direct F2F meetings between WP technical representatives and each UA project would be extremely beneficial for all of us.
In the case of Instant Mobility, the purpose of this F2F meeting is to share with FI-Ware a common detailed understanding of the GE capabilities with respect to IM technical expectations as it was also explained during the last face to face Architecture Board in Zurich (March 29th).
We are currently in the process of incorporating FI-Ware enablers in the global modeling of the Instant Mobility use cases and mobility services platform. This will of course result in the definition of a set of new and much more precise EPICS to be provided to FI-Ware.
We in particular wish to have a free form dialog about these EPICS, the expected interfaces and the GE modules functional and non-functional characteristics.
The FIA at Aalborg could be a good place to have such a meeting which in our view should go over most of the GE and therefore need two half days of work. We will be able to send you an architecture description of the Instant Mobility system within ten days (end of april)
Can you please tell us where and when such a meeting will be possible within the next month ?
Many thanks, best regards
Patrick GATELLIER/Julie MARGUERITE
Instant Mobility Project Coordinators
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