Juanjo,
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From: Suzanne Erez [mailto:SUZANNE at il.ibm.com]
Sent: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 14:57
To: Juanjo Hierro
Cc: Alex Glikson; 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu; LUIS GARCIA GARCIA; Schweppe, Kathrin
Subject: Re: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models
Juanjo,
Thank you for your note and for the explanation. It was helpful to
understand what your purpose is.
There are two parts to the license - 1) the copyright statement and 2) the
license terms.
The first part "Copyright © 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners unless
specified otherwise" while with the right intention, is not legally
binding on anything or anyone. The term" FI-WARE Project partners" is not
defined in any legally binding document. Additionally, it is according to
the CA and the GA that each Part is to write Copyright © 2012 by <PARTY
NAME OF PERSON WRITING THE SPEC>. Anything other than that is not in line
with the GA or CA.
II.26. Ownership
1. Foreground shall be the property of the beneficiary carrying out the
work generating that foreground.
As to the second part, while the language may be acceptable, it is only
suggested that each party review it with their own legal department. As an
example, IBM has many standard licenses that we use for many purposes. We
will review this license, and decide to adopt it or a similar IBM one.
I can not thank you enough, or express our appreciation for all the hard
work you have done as coordinator. thank you!
Suzanne
Suzanne Erez
Counsel, IPLaw, Israel
Associate PPM, PPM 150, 160
IBM Haifa, Israel suzanne at il.ibm.com
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From: Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es>
To: Alex Glikson/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL,
Cc: "'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu)"
<fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu>, "fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu"
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Date: 21/05/2012 09:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Fiware-pcc] [Fiware-wpl] Licence models
On 21/05/12 23:21, Alex Glikson wrote:
Dear Juanjo, all,
Our legal department says there is no legal entity known as FIWARE
Project Parties. So FIWARE Project Parties can not be the owners of
anything, and can not be copyright owners either.
Well ... the trick here was that "FI-WARE Project Partners" on the wiki
is a link to the wiki page where project partners are listed ... so we
thought was a kind of abbreviation of the whole list of partners ...
BTW, I have replaced any ocurrence of the "FI-WARE partner" in the legal
notice by "FI-WARE Project Partners" with the link to the wiki page listing
the FI-WARE Project Partners for consistency.
It also says in the CA and the GA, that the party that creates the
Foreground is the owner of the Foreground.
Nothing is said in the published FI-WARE Legal Notice about ownership.
The legal notice covers license to use which is different. What the legal
notices says in that respect is, essentially, that the specs are public and
royalty-free, therefore anyone can build products based on them, that the
FI-WARE partners are not responsible for identifying infringed patents, and
that the FI-WARE partners are not liable for errors in the specifications.
It doesn't say anything about ownership, so therefore any agreement between
FI-WARE partners about such ownerships (i.e., whatever is stated in the
CA/GA regarding ownership, prevails). Note that ownership doesn't equal
to license to use which is what we have tried to regulate here according to
the CA/GA.
While IBM supports making the specifications public, as per the DOW,
the DOW does not say we need to also give away ownership to what we
wrote.
I don't see what are we giving away about ownership with the current
legal notice either.
If you would like to write on your material "Copyright © 2012 FIWARE
Project partners" that is your decision. But we believe that each
Party should be able to decide if they want to retain ownership of
their own material.
That's why I proposed to change the sentence to say "Copyright © 2012 by
FI-WARE Project partners" by "Copyright © 2012 by FI-WARE Project partners
unless specified otherwise" (FI-WARE project partners being a link), and
then you can negotiate the copyright that should come with whatever spec
has been produced within your chapter with the contributing parties.
Do you object to that formula ? Indeed I believe it covers your
demands ... since you will be able to specify a different copyright
statement (but not license to use) on what you consider your material.
Note that, regarding copyright, we just tried to avoid going public
without any sort of copyright. Now you can fix it if we introduce the
proposed change. Regarding the rest of the Legal Notice, we are just
defining the license to use specifications, in line with what the CA/GA
states. We don't say anything about ownership, so the CA/GA prevails.
Best regards,
-- Juanjo
Regards,
Alex
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From: "Fasse, Axel" <axel.fasse at sap.com>
To: Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es>,
Cc: "fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu"
<fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu>,
"'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu)"
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<fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu>
Date: 21/05/2012 05:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpl] [Fiware-wpa] Licence models
Sent by: fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu
Dear Juanjo,
I’m already in discussions with our colleagues from the legal
department.
You will get a feedback as soon as possible.
Best regards,
Axel
From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es]
Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:37
To: Fasse, Axel
Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE
JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu;
fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu
Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models
Ok. Given your support, I will go for the proposed option (change
"Copyright © 2012 FIWARE Project partners" by "Copyright © 2012
FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise") unless anyone
objects before Wednesday 12:00 CET.
Thanks and best regards,
-- Juanjo
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Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital
website: www.tid.es
email: jhierro at tid.es
twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro
FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect
You can follow FI-WARE at:
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On 21/05/12 16:22, Fasse, Axel wrote:
Dear Juanjo,
you don’t have to convince me about a pragmatic approach.
I think it is necessary to find a solution that is supported by all
partners.
Best regards,
Axel
From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es]
Sent: Montag, 21. Mai 2012 16:12
To: Fasse, Axel
Cc: 'fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu' (fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu); JOSE
JIMENEZ DELGADO; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu;
fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu
Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] Licence models
On 21/05/12 16:09, Juanjo Hierro wrote:
Dear Axel,
Trying to be pragmatic, one suggestion is that we change the
sentence "Copyright © 2012 FIWARE Project partners" in the current
FI-WARE Open Specifications Legal Notice changes to become "Copyright
© 2012 FIWARE Project partners unless specified otherwise" ... and
then allow those companies that believe they "own" a given
specification to create a section at the beginning of the wiki page
linked to their spec where the proper copyright notice in their
opinion is written down.
Of course, those companies that believe that the copyright of a
given specification only belongs to them should justify it and get at
least the agreement of at least partners of the same Chapter (e.g.,
Security Chapter) or joint Task Force (e.g., FI-WARE NGSI)
Best regards,
-- Juanjo
Would that work for you ?
Best regards,
-- Juanjo
-------------
Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital
website: www.tid.es
email: jhierro at tid.es
twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro
FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect
You can follow FI-WARE at:
website: http://www.fi-ware.eu
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242
twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware
linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932
On 21/05/12 15:18, Fasse, Axel wrote:
Dear Juanjo, Dear Jose,
we appreciate the work you and your legal team spend on the License
you have supplied us. However, we agree with IBM, that the License is
not based upon the CA because the copyright of the Generic Enabler
Specification and the Generic Enabler, esp. the Code, is owned by the
party who generated the Generic Enabler Specification and the Generic
Enabler.
We agree further with IBM, that each party is free to choose a
license of its choice under which the release to the public can
happen.
Best regards,
Axel Fasse
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