Dear Thorsten,
The description of the Use Cases that are listed on the wiki looked a bit weird but I actually asked our TID legal deparment to prepare a first draft of the terms and conditions that would apply to the FI-WARE OIL under the assumption that we will actually support UC1 to UC3, of course, this meaning that the proper clauses for each would have to be incorporated. My interpretation of these UCs are as follows:
* UC1: Third parties will be able to use the FI-WARE OIL to play/experiment with FI-WARE GEis deployed on the FI-WARE OIL
* UC2: Third parties will be able to use the FI-WARE OIL to test experimental applications developed based on FI-WARE GEis deployed on the FI-WARE OIL and they will be able to deploy those experimental applications on the FI-WARE OIL
* UC3: Experimental applications deployed on the FI-WARE OIL will be made accessible to potential testing users or users participating in demos/showcases
Note that we would support the three of them which are actually compatible.
I don't understand very well what we refer as UC4 and, in any case, there were no clauses proposed to cover them which had helped to understand the scope for that UC. We understood it was a special case of UC3, where the experimental application can be considered itself a GE (or domain-specific common enabler). However, this wouldn't mean any difference with respect to terms and conditions to be defined.
Given said the above, the following main ingredients/principles have been considered for development of the first draft of terms and conditions (of course, more elaborated legal wording will come in the draft but I guess you can find this summary more comprehensive ;-):
* FI-WARE GEis available on FI-WARE OIL can only be used for experimental purposes. Subscribers to terms and conditions of the FI-WARE OIL can only develop experimental applications based on FI-WARE GEis available through the FI-WARE OIL. This means that such applications cannot be providing any kind of service to third parties.
* FI-WARE GEis available through the FI-WARE OIL will be provided "as is" so no responsibility will be assumed (liability)
* FI-WARE GEi owners will provide "best-effort" support to usage of FI-WARE GEis made available through the FI-WARE OIL.
* The specific models for which support of a given FI-WARE GEi will be provided in the FI-WARE OIL (even if we are talking about "best-effort" support) will be described in the corresponding entry in the FI-WARE Catalogue. Note: If you ask me, I would highly recommend FI-WARE GEi owners to limit the models for which support is going to be provided to any of the following ones (binaries or source code may also be made available for download and local deployment but I would then recommend to carefully give a though to what kind of "best-effort" support you can provide):
* Global SaaS instances, i.e., instances of the FI-WARE GEi that has been deployed on the FI-WARE OIL by the GEi owner, offering its functions "as a Service" through well-defined APIs served at defined Service End Points
* Dedicated SaaS instances, i.e., meaning that it can be instantiated in the FI-WARE Cloud and provided "as a Service" using FI-WARE Cloud tools
* FI-WARE partners will not be responsible from malicious requests or malitious applications running on OIL
* We will not be responsible for right usage of data in the FI-WARE OIL. It is assumed that FI-WARE OIL users will comply with any applicable laws regarding data they are using
* We have rights to take any statistical data that help to improve operations of the FI-WARE OIL or may help to advertise OIL (in this latter case, being able to publish what GEis are being used, etc)
* We can interrupt or get rid of any applications running on OIL unilaterally without prior notice if we detect any malitious behaviour or this is required for the right performance of OIL, comply with existing laws, etc
* We can in general break the contract with users with prior notice of max 15 days even in the case of proper usage
* Any application that is based on FI-WARE GEis deployed on OIL should shown "powered by FI-WARE"
* Resources offered to FI-WARE users will in any case be limited and subject to quotas, expiration times, etc
As you see, most of these ingredients had been listed on the wiki.
I hope that we will be able to share soon this first draft of the FI-WARE OIL terms and conditions so that legal departments can agree on the concrete wording that will support the above ingredients.
Cheers,
-- Juanjo
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On 17/06/13 10:50, Sandfuchs, Thorsten wrote:
Hi Juanjo,
Concerning the messaging around the OIL the well-known picture down below comes to my mind.
I think it is hard to have a messaging towards the outside, as long as we don't have a clear internal view on the "thing". Therefore it is vital that you share more of the plan going forward and onboard us - e.g. in a session as proposed by Andrea on the topic. Currently I was quite "astonished" about the level of depth and engagement plan you layed out in front of the reviewers.
Let me remind everybody on the 4 basic use cases we gathered in Rome - documented here: https://forge.fi-ware.eu/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fi-ware-private/index.php/FI-WARE_Open_Innovation_Lab_Terms_and_Condition_Ingredients
For me many of the open questions are still "open" and pending some pragmatic decisions.
Especially for the "Archievements" document we need to have crystal clear statements what it _is_ and what it's _not_ - otherwise nobody can possibly use the thing...
Best,
/Thorsten
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From: fiware-wpa-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpa-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-wpa-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of Juanjo Hierro
Sent: Montag, 17. Juni 2013 09:22
To: Garino Pierangelo
Cc: fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu>; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu>
Subject: Re: [Fiware-wpa] R: [Fiware-wpl] Joint WPLs/WPAs follow-up confcalls today are cancelled IN ORDER TO free time to provide contributions to the form to be delivered to the EC
I assume that you had booked the timeslots from 11:00 to 12:30 and
from 14:30 to 16:00 to the joint WPLs/WPAs follow-up confcall.
Therefore, If I'm freeing those slots they become free time for you
but you must devote that time to review and contribute to the form, not
to carry out any other task.
I'm pretty sure that you may provide some more info that the one
currently provided to the part B, C and D sections. You just have to
think about what you will write if you were assigned the task to write
down the answer to those sections. You haven't contributed any input
to part C nor D.
BTW, there is already content for section D you may be willing to revise.
Cheers,
-- Juanjo
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Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital
website: www.tid.es<http://www.tid.es>
email: jhierro at tid.es<mailto:jhierro at tid.es>
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On 17/06/13 08:42, Garino Pierangelo wrote:
> Hi Juanjo,
>
> my comments to Part B of the form have been added yesterday.
> One further comment: if you plan to have a call before submitting the form, it would be better to know in advance to avoid issues in attending.
>
> BR
> Pier
>
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] Per conto di Juanjo Hierro
> Inviato: lunedì 17 giugno 2013 08:07
> A: fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu>; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu>
> Oggetto: [Fiware-wpl] Joint WPLs/WPAs follow-up confcalls today are cancelled IN ORDER TO free time to provide contributions to the form to be delivered to the EC
>
> Hi,
>
> We will cancel the joint WPLs/WPAs follow-up confcalls scheduled for today.
>
> This will help that you free at least 3 hours to provide
> input/comments to the form to be delivered to the EC. Therefore you
> don't have any excuse :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> -- Juanjo
>
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