Dear Thierry, dear all,
As regards spam. Good news.
I've got a feeling that the new solution would not delete spam messages, it would just hold them (as it does now). The difference is that all the messages from "known" people would make it through and not get moderated. The drawback is that anyone in the consortium could break in in any list (but people seem happy with this)
I have being discussing the spam problem with our administrator for weeks and he managed to come up with something just today. Thierry complains about one list, I manage tens, so you can imagine how long it takes every day. The good news is that this morning our administrator has included several changes in the configuration of our Postifx mail server in order to reject the wide majority of unwanted incoming "junk email". The changes included add more restrictions that the Postfix SMTP server applies in the context of a client. We are not taking into account the content of the emails yet, we are avoiding mails from servers that misbehave (that don't follow the standard). If the result is not a drastic reduction of spam, the next action is to add applications that parse the content of emails and mark them as SPAM or even drop them.
Best regards,
Miguel
El 20/03/2013 22:49, thierry.nagellen at orange.com<mailto:thierry.nagellen at orange.com> escribió:
Dear all,
Maybe I miss a point but till now we do not have so many messages from people who are registered on the forge and not in the mailing-lists. So the 2 options should not really change the situation. I have also at least 3 or 4 spams per day in the IoT list, which is not so much but of course requires some additional work.
I'm also not an expert in mailman but is it not possible to apply filters on some keywords in the header of the email?
If not I prefer to have the same solution for all mailing-list and prefer option 2.
BR
Thierry
De : fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] De la part de Garino Pierangelo
Envoyé : mercredi 20 mars 2013 09:51
À : Sandfuchs, Thorsten; stefano de panfilis
Cc : fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu>; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu>
Objet : [Fiware-wpl] R: proposal to change the moderation of fiware-wpl/wpa lists
Dear All,
I do support the proposal by Stefano, to implement filtering both on wpl/wpa mailing lists and on all the other fiware-nnn mailing lists (as spamming has become rather aggressive in the past two-three weeks).
I would vote Option 2 for wpl/wpa lists and Option 1 for all the other lists.
BR
Pier
Da: fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] Per conto di stefano de panfilis
Inviato: mercoledì 20 marzo 2013 03:02
A: Sandfuchs, Thorsten
Cc: fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu>; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu>
Oggetto: Re: [Fiware-wpl] proposal to change the moderation of fiware-wpl/wpa lists
Dear Thorsten and all,
Being the wpl/wpa more a governing body than a free forum for discussion i'd prefer option 2 for the wpl/wpa mail list, while i'd implement option 1 for all the wps mail list.
My two cents,
Stefano
2013/3/19 Sandfuchs, Thorsten <thorsten.sandfuchs at sap.com<mailto:thorsten.sandfuchs at sap.com>>
Dear WPL/WPA
We would like come forward with a proposal to change the policy on how mails to the lists fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu> and fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu> are currently moderated/filtered.
Please indicate if you support this approach or want to object to it and what option would be your favorite one. Please respond within the next two weeks (EOB 29.03.) to hopefully implement the changes starting with the second week of april (8th of april).
Current situation:
- All emails of non-members get in a queue of a moderator
- The moderator judges by the relevance for "general interest" and is denying or allowing the request (in most cases the request passes this filter and is posted to the list)
Rationale:
- The rationale behind this is to have a tight control on who is able to post on the list and to filter spam
New approach:
Option 1: filter & automatically approve emails based on regular expressions on company level related to FI-PPP members (e.g. @tid.es<http://tid.es> @ibm.com<http://ibm.com>, ...)
Option 2: filter & automatically approve emails based on members subscribed to the forge (if members has an account-email address, take this emailaddress as valid poster to the list)
- All non-pre-filtered (option 1 or 2) emails will still be routed to the moderator as is the current situation
- New: the moderator should allow every "human" and obvious "non-spam" email to pass to the list
New Rational:
- The sole purpose of the new filter mechanism is now to filter out spam emails by bots
- Responsibility on who is posting to the list lies solely on the poster. The lists are not governed by a moderator from a content perspective.
- We enable more timely emails to the lists by members and non-members
The new approach of both options is from a technology perspective quite easy to implement (given standard mailman functionality).
Our recommendation and preferred option: option 1 as it as well lowers the administrative overhead for the moderator and is the most "open communication" encouraging approach.
This initiative is not really related to a particular case, but the general notion of having emails delayed is to our opinion a potential risk for the project success. While the effort of filtering spam is highly appreciated, as it is lowering our burden to process more mails, we shouldn't constraint ourselves to much and allow every (human) voice to be heart on the lists and encourage and support the communication to be as open as possible.
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