Thanks for the e-mail, which clarifies a lot of things. Some of these points are very logical but some others seem to me like a lot of additional work. Since September of this year I have received the comment by Arian that specifications are not fully OPEN in the sense that there was no mechanism in place to ensure that they could be modified based on the feedback from people. · Starting a process like this at Xmas time (in reality that would mean January) means setting up a process, having someone monitoring that and ensuring that modifications are implemented when needed by GE owners. This is not feasible in 4 months IMHO, but extending it till September requires more work than the originally planned (unless no feedback from externals) Do not underestimate the effort related to dissemination, collaboration and expansion to smart cities and internationally (when did we promise this?). Part of the plan depends on the availability of resources from Ogilvy and partners from the third open call, but every time something serious has to be organized, it requires a lot of work. Bear in mind that the agenda is quite full: · FIA in March · The Future Internet event organized by the FI PPP in Brussels (beginning of April); · Events that will come from the EC, like URBAN forum in February · Plus the FI-WARE selected events like startup weekends, etc, etc Count on one event per month at least. The extension of the project will come with extension of work. Finally, activities towards real exploitation require an intense follow up. When you want to sell a solution to a customer you present your offering once, but then, convincing the customer means that you have to work continuously until your solution is agreed. So, going to an event is the beginning of something much harder (for example, convincing people from the EIP Smart Cities to bet on FI-WARE will require a lot of effort and resources; of course, convincing real customers is not even thought to be included here...). My two cents. Nuria de Lama Research & Innovation Representative to the European Commission T +34 91214 9321 F +34 91754 3252 nuria.delama at atos.net Albarracín 25 28037 Madrid Spain www.atosresearch.eu <http://www.atosresearch.eu/> es.atos.net IMPORTANT - MAIL ADDRESS CHANGE - From now on, please use only mail address nuria.delama at atos.net The former @atosresearch.eu address will be cancelled soon From: fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of Juanjo Hierro Sent: martes, 26 de noviembre de 2013 22:02 To: fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: [Fiware-wpl] Fwd: RE: FI-WARE Project extension Nicely, Arian finally answered the questions we made regarding extension of the project. I will then organize the doodle poll to go for a decision. Best regards, -- Juanjo -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: FI-WARE Project extension Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:46:50 +0000 From: <Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu> <mailto:Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu> To: <jhierro at tid.es> <mailto:jhierro at tid.es> CC: <CNECT-ICT-285248 at ec.europa.eu> <mailto:CNECT-ICT-285248 at ec.europa.eu> Dear Juanjo, 1) This will depend largely on the outcome of the Dec 18 review. The whole purpose is to direct efforts to parts which will/do contribute to the ultimate success of the PPP, and to move FI-WARE into FI-PPP phase 3 mode. I'm not a fortune teller, but - based on the previous review report and other indications - I could imagine the following: · Support, dissemination, and training will indeed be essential, as well as cooperation with XIFI, expansion, sustainability, and hand-over to the TFE project. · Certain GEi developments will be stopped. Some of them might be started again, but in a different fashion and with a different owner, or using a competition approach. · GERIs/GEis should be properly packaged and made publicly available, including documentation, manuals, videos, tutorials, etc. Focus on supportive materials, focus on making GE implementations usable. · GE REFERENCE implementations, and not just GEis, should be developed. We need to move towards true reference implementations of open specifications. Appropriate processes need to be put in place for third parties to comment on and influence the specifications, and for third parties to cross-reference a GERI and its GE specification. The GERIs should document how the specification was interpreted via implementation decisions. · Related to the point above, GE validation, including redress, by third parties (incl phase 2 projects) need proper processes and mechanisms (see page 4, review report). · In addition, mechanisms need to be put in place for truly OPEN (and not just public) specifications (see page 5 review report) · Prioritisation of GEs (see review report page 5) and consequences. This should be presented at the review meeting on Dec 18. · Clarity on status: cockpit, Catalogue Testbed, FI-LAB, GE + GEi status and planning was and is still unclear. The cockpit is not up-to-date, partners start developing "components", "optional extensions" (what are those?), etc. It is impossible to get a good overview. · Continuation of exploitation activities including clarification of T&Cs. · Increased focus in year 3 on dissemination, contests, Startup Weekends, etc. This should be presented in the review meeting. · Expansion towards smart cities and internationally: what is planned and what can be achieved at the end of the project? Also to be presented at the review meeting. · Increasing support to phase 2 projects and third parties, where needed 2) For the majority of the work in a specific GE, yes. But I understand GE specifications and implementations are living artefacts. Therefore, it would seem logical to me that support, modifications based on feedback, etc continue until the end of the project. It cannot be that feedback from use case projects is ignored because it came at month 34. 3) That does not make sense to me. It should be month 40. Of course, if partners think they can have their contribution at month 36, they can obviously send it to the WP leader at month 36. 4) Yes 5) Yes Best regards, Arian. From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 1:39 PM To: ZWEGERS Arian (CNECT) Cc: jhierro >> "Juan J. Hierro" Subject: FI-WARE Project extension Dear Arian, As already commented to Jesus and you, we have opened a thread of discussion within FI-WARE about an extension of 4 months to the project in line with the recommendation given in the last review report. In order to give a definitive answer, some partners are asking for some elaborated answer to the following questions: 1. What kind of activities are foreseen during the extended period ? Would they only be related to support, dissemination and training ? 2. Will a given FI-WARE GEi owner be able to chose between a) closing its contribution to FI-WARE GE Open Specifications and its FI-WARE GEi development activities as already planned in the DoW (i.e., delivering updated GE Open Specifications as well as GEi software, testing plans and related documentation in month 33, that is end of January) or b) delay them to be in month 36 ? Ability to choose would be certainly useful, because some GEi owners can adapt to the extension provided that a delay in deliverables is approved, while others can live with the extension but provided that they can close their activities in the dates originally planned in the DoW. Telefonica, as coordinator, doesn't see any problem allowing a partner to close its activities as planned in the DoW. Just to avoid any burden we most probably would submit all the mentioned deliverables in month 36 (despite some partners would submit them internally at month 33) 3. Could month 36 be preserved as the date for submission of deliverables in WP11 (exploitation) ? 4. Could month 40 be defined as the date for submission of deliverables linked to WP12 (communication, collaboration and dissemination) ? 5. Can partners assuming a WPL or WPA role discontinue that role in month 36 if another partner is ready to take over their role until the end of the project ? Could you please answer these questions ? This and any other information that may be helpful to understand what the extension will mean in terms of workload would be certainly helpful to reach an agreement within the consortia as we would love to during this upcoming week. 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