Hi everyone,
Just wanted to forward the mail from our PO, where she seems to be
satisfied with our answer.
It's good to see that she realizes that the many open calls open
ongoing at the same do not help to reach good figures regarding number
of applications.
Cheers,
Document
Juanjo Hierro
Chief Technology Officer
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Subject: RE: IMPORTANT: Insights from Open Call 1 and concrete action
for your approval
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 06:59:53 +0000
From: NAGY Annamaria <Annamaria.NAGY at ec.europa.eu>
To: Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at fiware.org>
CC: cnect-h2020-951975 at ec.europa.eu <cnect-h2020-951975 at ec.europa.eu>
Dear Juanjo,
Thank you for your reassuring answer.
The engagement of DIHs is a challenge to all ongoing projects and I
guess it does not help that these open calls are ongoing at the same time.
Many thanks,
Annamaria
*From:*Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at fiware.org>
*Sent:* Monday, October 4, 2021 6:21 AM
*To:* NAGY Annamaria (CNECT) <Annamaria.NAGY at ec.europa.eu>
*Cc:* CNECT H2020 951975 I4TRUST <cnect-h2020-951975 at ec.europa.eu>
*Subject:* Re: IMPORTANT: Insights from Open Call 1 and concrete action
for your approval
Dear Annamaria,
Ok. We keep trying to engage more DIHs, of course, but a
consequence of not relaxing the rule is that most (if not all) the DIHs
will prepare just one application which will mean less applications at
the end that we could receive from some regions. We'll have to live
with it for this Open Call, I guess.
With regards to the point on one2one meetings, they were considered
under scouting activities described in the DoA. Regarding your concerns
about equal treatment we want to clarify that we have offered these
meetings to all (even organizations that are not yet applicants but are
following i4Trust developments) and we have asked all to formulate their
questions in advance so that we can prepare general responses that then
can be shared with others, in planned webinars, FAQs, Community Spaces,
etc. precisely following the principle that guidance should be available
to all applicants in an equally and fair manner.
Best regards,
Juanjo
On 28/9/21 17:24, NAGY Annamaria wrote:
Dear Juanjo,
In principal, I do not support any changes to an already published
call. This should be done only exceptionally. There is a big change
already done, i.e. the extension of deadline. Every time we change
an ongoing call, there is a risk that transparency and equal
treatment would be impaired.
Regarding the limit of funding for DIHs, the current Guide for
Applicants states that funding received from any other similar
sources (e.g. other DT-ICT-05 projects) would be counted into the
EUR 60K limit. So I don’t see the point in raising the 18K limit for
DIHs to 40K instead. The participation in other experiments without
funding is already available for them as well.
Also, I don’t see how this planned raise in funding can help
geographical distribution either. Instead, it would be desireable to
make effort to involve DIHs from under-represented EU member states,
to mobilize them as well. Then the applications would have an ideal
geographical balance.
I have a problem with the offered “one2one meetings to applicants”
as well. This goes against equal treatment. Basically, the
guidance/advice you give to applicant X should be available to all
the rest of applicants, too.
I would not change the rules at this point, but rather collect all
the lessons learnt and use them when drafting the call documentation
for the next open call.
Many thanks and best regards,
Annamaria
*From:*Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at fiware.org>
<mailto:juanjose.hierro at fiware.org>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2021 10:27 AM
*To:* NAGY Annamaria (CNECT) <Annamaria.NAGY at ec.europa.eu>
<mailto:Annamaria.NAGY at ec.europa.eu>
*Cc:* CNECT H2020 951975 I4TRUST <cnect-h2020-951975 at ec.europa.eu>
<mailto:cnect-h2020-951975 at ec.europa.eu>
*Subject:* Re: IMPORTANT: Insights from Open Call 1 and concrete
action for your approval
Dear Annamaria,
May you give us the approval for implementing the change proposed
in my last mail regarding the Open Call ?
As explained, we believe this may boost the number of applications.
Thanks in advance,
Juanjo
On 24/9/21 13:55, Juanjo Hierro wrote:
Dear Annamaria,
As mentioned in my previous mail, figures regarding responses
to the first i4Trust Open Call are improving. Current
statistics are:
1.115 applicants registered in the open call management platform
(this is not really a good indicator because we know many
organizations will just register to check the complexity of the
process or just for curiosity)
2.29 applications already include basic information (this starts
to be promising)
3.20 applications have a consortium of DIH and SMEs already
formed (we expect that they will most likely submit their
application)
4.19 applications include already a draft description of their
experiment (these are indeed applications we expect will be
submitted)
Several applicants indeed expressed they were glad with the
extension of the call and expressed their interest to further
discuss how they could improve their applications. For this
purpose, a number of actions have been planned to make sure that
consortium which have started to work in the proposal will
finalize their process. For example:
1.we have offered one2one meetings to applicants in order to
solve specific questions they may have
2.we will organize a webinar on October 7th to provide hints on
design of experiments and solve general doubts
We are also going to perform a campaign towards DIHs within
the S3 Catalogue which have not jet joined the i4Trust Community
in order to promote the Open Call, leveraging the recent
announcement about the Data Spaces Business Alliance which we
hope may help to raise their interest.
However, one of the most valuable insights we have obtained
through direct feedback from DIHs and SMEs is that one
requirement we had established in the Open Call was creating too
high barriers for submission. Actually, we had established
that DIHs would be funded a maximum of 18 K€ per proposal *AND*
they can only be funded up to 18 K€ in all the proposals they
are included (note that consortiums are funded between 72 K€ and
120 K€ depending on the number of SMEs involved). Since the
each consortium is required to bring a DIH, we are facing these
two scenarios that are impacting the number of proposals we may
receive:
1.Since 18 K€ is already not a large funding and DIHs are
expected to require it for covering their support in a given
experiment, DIHs are taking the option of submitting only one
proposal. This despite they are receiving request from SMEs of
their community that are interested in the call. DIHs are
telling those SMEs: "sorry, we will be submitting just one
proposal, therefore we'll have to wait for the 2nd Open Call".
2.Since having a DIH in the consortium is a must requirement,
SMEs that got attracted by the Open Call and have a nice
experiment in mind, have to search for a DIH they may integrate
in their consortium. However, they are approaching DIHs they
see part of the i4Trust Community that may be also connected to
their region and, since they are telling them, "sorry, we are
already booked" and they cannot find easily another DIH in their
region, they finally give up
This is not speculation but we got very concrete
testimonies/cases.
After this analysis, the i4Trust partners have come to the
conclusion that we could overcome this problem just by relaxing
a bit the requirements on DIHs as follows: *keep the funding of
a DIH per proposal limited to 18 K€, but allow them to get
involved in more than one selected proposal, provided that the
maximum funding they will gather among all experiments selected
where hey are involved is limited to 40 K€ which can be
negotiated at the negotiation phase* (that is, if they are
involved in three experiments that get selected, and placed 18
K€ of funding in each, they will come with a proposal to adjust
their funding, based on synergies they can bring, so that the
overall funding gets limited to 40 K€)
With this approach, we will make sure that many DIHs will
support creation of consortium for two experiments, perhaps some
of them even up to 3 or 4.
Note that, at the end of the date, one criteria for final
selection of experiments that may have very similar scoring in
terms of excellence, implementation and impact will be
geographically distribution, therefore we believe that
introduction of this change in the requirements will not mean in
practice that out of the 16 experiments to be selected we will
have only 6 DIHs. At the end, we can expect they would be
higher number of DIHs for sure. However, we will create
incentives for submitting more applications, which willl turn
into more competition, which will lead in better quality of
selected experiments.
Would you agree with relaxing the rule as described (in blue
bold above)?
Looking forward your feedback and thanks in advance for a
quick response,
--
*Juanjo Hierro*
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