Dear Colleagues, I have attached some information provided by Juanjo regarding the EC's perception and expectations towards FI-WARE, which in particular includes the deliverables. Best regards, Uwe Dr. Uwe Riss Senior Researcher, Internet Applications & Services | SAP Research Karlsruhe SAP AG | Vincenz-Priessnitz-Str. 1 | 76131 Karlsruhe | Germany T +49 6227 7-70212 | F +49 6227 78-26158 | M +49 151 16810936 | mailto: uwe.riss at sap.com<mailto:uwe.riss at sap.com> www.sap.com<http://www.sap.com/> Pflichtangaben/Mandatory Disclosure Statements: http://www.sap.com/company/legal/impressum.epx Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Geschaeftsgeheimnisse oder sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese E-Mail irrtuemlich erhalten haben, ist Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielfältigung oder Weitergabe der E-Mail ausdruecklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene E-Mail. Vielen Dank. This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged, undisclosed, or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying, or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform us immediately and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you for your cooperation. From: fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-wpl-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of Juanjo Hierro Sent: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 06:03 To: fiware-pcc at lists.fi-ware.eu Cc: fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: [Fiware-wpl] [Suspected Spam] Fwd: RE: Notes from confcall on analysis of the status of FI-WARE and the FI-PPP Dear colleagues, This is an email that may provide some background/input to our discussions on recovery steps within the FI-WARE PCC. We had a confcall with the Peter Fatelning and Arian Zwegers from the EC on September 3th trying to understand what are the priorities where we should concentrate our efforts in FI-WARE during the upcoming months, taking an overall FI-PPP program perspective. We took some notes of this interesting discussion and sent them back to Peter and Arian so that they could confirm our notes were accurate and/or make any further comments. I'm forwarding their response to you below of my signature "as it was", so that there is no any doubt about how accurate it could be any translation we may elaborate and send to you. There are a number of points that we believe are remarkable. Here you are our elaboration on them: * The top priority issue for the EC seems to be, by far, the sustainability of what we deliver. Regarding specifications of FI-WARE GEs, this has to do with sustainability of any reference implementation we will develop in FI-WARE but also with completeness/quality of published specifications and the terms and conditions established in Legal Notices attached to them, which should warrant that 3rd parties can, and will be attracted to, implement products in compliance with specifications. Note that most of this was capture in check point number 11 of the list of check points on page 10 of the month 12 official review report. Our conversation with the EC has been helpful to highlight how crucial this checkpoint is compared to the the rest. * Regarding sustainability of the reference implementations we will develop in FI-WARE, it seems like the EC will ask for a formal statement by partners owning the implementations about their intends to commercialize them as products under FRAND terms or provide them as Open Source if those commercial plans become not viable. We feel like we are going to be asked to provide such formal statement sometime end of October, early November (probably close to our next review). It is not clear to us to what extend we will be asked by the EC to drop any FI-WARE GE for which such a formal statement cannot be made, but certainly the EC wants that UC Trials in second phase of the FI-PPP take an informed decision on what FI-WARE GEs to use in the second phase of the FI-PPP based on statements provided. We personally believe that there may not be anything on our contract that may force us to drop a given FI-WARE GE in, say it, the second Release of FI-WARE, if such a statement cannot be made, but we guess it will be rather difficult to seek for funding to be devoted to maintain/evolve those GEs within the context of the Technology Foundation continuation project planned in phase 3. We would also add that we probably have to reconsider their inclusion in the Second Release of FI-WARE anyway, given the fact that we would not be backed by the EC on keeping them. * The EC is concerned about the completeness/quality of FI-WARE GE Open Specifications but not that much about the need to fix this "tomorrow". Clearly we should show a clear improvement in month 18, of course. However, the timing that is critical is that of making them rather usable by UC Trials in phase 2, and be able to provide an statement on commercial sustainability before that, rather than serving UC Projects needs in phase 1. * Clearly, supporting UC projects in phase 1 is important but not the critical thing from the EC's perspective. Providing a "perfect" support to the UC projects in phase 1 regarding usage of a given FI-WARE GE implementation is rather nice, but of no use if we are not going to be able to make any statement about commercial viability of that implementation (under FRAND terms, which may include provision of Open Source licenses or not). Making a statement about commercial viability of the implementation of a FI-WARE GE may minimize the impact of not providing a "perfect" support to UC projects in phase 1. Of course, we shouldn't use this as an alibi for a lack of support to UC projects in phase 1. We should try to do our best in that respect ... though priorities are clear. * The EC clearly welcomes our last efforts to make the FI-WARE Testbed available and welcome the management decisions implemented during the last months leading those efforts. We at TID know that some of those decisions were tough, and still we have to work on being more rigorous with planning and follow-up of activities. But all of this will pave the way to success. We hope that you share this. We would also like to share with you that Telefonica welcomes any constructive feedback and ideas that may help to improve overall performance. We would like to know if you would share this elaboration. Your comments/feedback is rather welcome. Anyways, take this as input for discussion during our PCC meeting. Cheers, -- Juanjo -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Notes from confcall on analysis of the status of FI-WARE and the FI-PPP Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:25:28 +0000 From: <Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu><mailto:Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu> To: <jhierro at tid.es><mailto:jhierro at tid.es> CC: <Jesus.Villasante at ec.europa.eu><mailto:Jesus.Villasante at ec.europa.eu>, <jimenez at tid.es><mailto:jimenez at tid.es>, <Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu><mailto:Arian.ZWEGERS at ec.europa.eu>, <Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu><mailto:Peter.Fatelnig at ec.europa.eu> Dear Juanjo, Please find below our comments to your summary. Kind regards, Peter From: Juanjo Hierro [mailto:jhierro at tid.es] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:10 AM To: FATELNIG Peter (CNECT); ZWEGERS Arian (CNECT) Cc: VILLASANTE Jesus (CNECT); Jose Jimenez; jhierro >> "Juan J. Hierro" Subject: Notes from confcall on analysis of the status of FI-WARE and the FI-PPP Dear Peter and Arian, Thanks for the open conversation maintained yesterday. The goal for us was to understand what are the priorities in which FI-WARE should concentrate on during the upcoming months, so that we make sure that we recover from the current situation, taking an overall FI-PPP program perspective. I would like to summarize the notes I took on your feedback in order to make sure that we deliver an accurate message to the rest of the FI-WARE partners. According to my notes: * The very first priority of FI-WARE should be to make sure that, in month 18, each partner that owns a reference implementation of a given FI-WARE GE makes a commitment to make such reference implementation commercially available within the context of the FI-PPP and beyond. This means that: o The FI-WARE GE reference implementation owner should make a clear commitment to commercialize the FI-WARE GE reference implementation it owns under FRAND conditions during and beyond the FI-PPP, accompanied by a commitment to deliver such reference implementation as Open Source in the case that commercialization of a reference implementation of the GE in compliance with FI-WARE specifications is discontinued; or o The FI-WARE GE reference implementation owner makes a clear commitment to deliver a reference implementation of the GE as Open Source The commitment statement must contain all information that possible users need in order to decide about using the GE reference implementation concerned or not, within the context of the PPP and outside. This means, for instance, that a timing needs to be indicated, the exact conditions and constraints need to be specified, etc. All details might not be known at this stage, for call 2, but as much information as possible should be provided. * The second priority of FI-WARE should be to make sure that the FI-WARE Architecture Description and Open Specifications are usable by both application developers and potential FI-WARE GE implementors, meaning they gather all the necessary information to allow them to develop applications and compliant implementation. Despite these Architecture Description and Open Specifications may be improved over time (the project is 3 years long), FI-WARE should be able to reach a certain minimum level of quality in month 18 The GE Open Specifications must contain all information needed to implement the GE; they must be self-contained (also without FI-WARE Architecture Description). We are currently looking at the different Legal Notices associated to the GE Open Specifications and will come back to that. * Rest is of less priority, including support to FI-PPP UC projects in phase 1. Of course, this not meaning that FI-WARE should try to make its best to support usage of the FI-WARE Testbed during this period. We have indicated the points which are a clear priority and we think we have been consistent in doing so from the beginning. This does not mean that FI-WARE should ignore other points mentioned in the review reports and outcome letter. We are confident that the partners in the consortium have the ability to address the points in the review reports and outcome letters and to deliver results that are useful to themselves, other partners in the PPP, and third parties. We are also confident that the FI-WARE management will be able to take a leading role, and we are happy to see that actions taken after month 12 have resulted in improvements already, for instance by the delivery of the Testbed. Your confirmation that these notes are accurate is rather welcome. Cheers, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es<http://www.tid.es> email: jhierro at tid.es<mailto:jhierro at tid.es> twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Chief Architect You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nuestra política de envío y recepción de correo electrónico en el enlace situado más abajo. 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