Dear Markus,
The explanation you give is a little hard to understand,
you would go for a VM image, perhaps for a recipe (although this is just
an installation manual) and certainly not for SaaS
Miguel thinks VM images are platform dependent and also dislikes SaaS.
In total I believe we will provide the packaging of BEMES GE's as a VM
image and a recipe,
and will leave out the SaaS path.
I hope this is a fair answer to your questions?
best regards,
Koen
On 2/19/2014 5:47 PM, Heller, Markus wrote:
>
> Hi all aka ATOS, UPM, IMINDS (J),
>
> Basically I got feedback from Miguel (thx MIguel!) on our plans. The
> addressed topics are (my own text):
>
> 1)VM images are platform dependant àCan we do better/different to
> avoid this or do we go with this....
>
> 2)SaaS-whatever is NOT packaging àI guess this refers to IDM as Global
> Instance as part of package 2. Can IDM be packaged as well (since a
> user of the package might not like to use IDM as deployed globally by
> us and rather use HIS own instance of IDM-Software...
>
> Let us to have us think twice about it and decide if we need to adapt
> somewhere the packages 1,2,3.
>
> *@ATOS, UPM, IMINDS*: Please reply to me your position and if you
> change something. Please read my own statement before that.
>
> Deadline: Tomorrow morning.
>
> My own considerations here, but please take his notes into account.
>
> Markus:
>
> "
>
> - WM images: platform dependant is not a problem in my eyes. The
> dedicated instance solution approach is platform based too...? IMO
> that is ok in my eyes and typically not a problem to a user: he reads
> system requirements and decides....Recipes: ATOS thinks that they will
> try with recipes but have no tdone so and since it is not mandatory
> (and would not be correct to require this since its only a deployment
> technique not more) and unless they really see they can deliver ->
> they only commit as advised by me to VM image as this is a valid
> contribution ("Dedicated instance") in FI-LAB so it cannot be really
> rejected and works and I would rather have something that works and is
> delivered than otherwise. But ATOS knows that recipes are there....
>
> - SaaS: package 2 is _/not/_ Saas_ really. Only one piece - the IDM -
> is as SaaS (as they only are available as 1 global instance), so they
> said that only this is possible. I get your point and this has been
> discussed but ultimately this team said they can only do this in such
> a way.
>
> The rest of the package is recipe based GEs and only IDM is to be
> hardwired per URL. I think that is ok -- otherwise you need to urge
> the provider of IDM to also deliver IDM as dedicated instance or
> something else I guess. .-
>
> Recipes: No, this is not needed since its a deployment technique not
> more -- its overhyped a bit since we struggle with even delivering the
> basics -- working software. So I always vote for first have the basics
> (VM image e.g) and then of course if possible recipe-based (but only
> then)...
>
> For example, for our SAP assets, only dedicated instances are in
> FI-Lab with no/basic recipes, but surely this works good for us since
> it's only a very very simple setup in our software.
>
> "
>
> Best wishes
>
> Markus
>
> ---------------
>
> [...]
>
> ------------------
>
> El 19/02/2014 15:28, koen casier escribió:
>
> Hi Markus, all,
>
>
>
> My first suggestion would be the following (note that this should
> still be checked by Camille and Tanguy):
>
> package 3 - BEMES: Integrated Multi-level business modeling and
> simulation toolkit
> Lead iMinds
> Used GEs: Business Modeler, Business Calculator (there could
> be possibilities to link to repository and/or RSS)
> Delivered as (a) 1 single VM image with installed + integrated
> GEs to be offfered in FILAB as dedicated instances
> Delivered as (b) 1 integrated SaaS test-version online
> (outside of the FILAB)
> Delivered as (c) a recipe for setting up an own version and
> integrating both GEs together with integration testing procedures
> TimeLine: R3.3
> Comments:
> Story: The installation in (a) allows for a quick
> installation of a testversion in the FiLAB with all interactions
> between the tools automated and/or relative to the server path.
> This will allow for the business modeling and
> simulation tools to be setup in a one step process. The business
> calculator as well as the business modeler both have
> a simplified and local storage repository for
> the models and possibly this could be linked to the repository if
> interesting.
> The installation in (b) allows for direct
> testing of the front-end and the back-end functionality. This will
> allow for a quick link with introduction of the tool,
> and will be complemented with course material
> indicating how the tool can be used. Possibly here the link to an
> SaaS RSS instance could be made.
> The installation in (c) is aimed at academic
> usage (FRAND or free licensing) and commercial offers of the tool
> with a local installation of the binaries (speed and privacy).
> The recipe and integration testing will help
> in a quick and effortless installation here.
>
>
>
> best regards,
> Koen
>
>
> On 2/19/2014 2:11 PM, Heller, Markus wrote:
>
> Hi Koen,
>
> fine, this would have to be shipped as part of Release 3.
>
> Please send until today asap a brief description of your new
> package following the example template for the other 2. I
> plan to send it later today after EOB to Juanjo.
>
> 1) Package 3:
>
> -Name: " " (focus is on XY)
>
> -Lead: iMinds
>
> -Used GEs: TBD
>
> -Delivery: Please describe exactly, if possible. E.g.: "not
> recipes. Delivered as 1 single VM image with installed +
> integrated GEs to be offered in FI-LAB as "dedicated instances"
>
> -FI-WARE Catalog Pages: iMinds creates them
>
> -Timeline: TBD (Release 3)
>
> -Comments:
>
> nStory: Who does what and what is the benefit of packaging the
> two together maybe
>
> nTechnical details: only if needed
>
> Best wishes
>
> Markus
>
> *From:*fiware-apps-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu
> <mailto:fiware-apps-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu>
> [mailto:fiware-apps-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] *On Behalf Of
> *koen casier
> *Sent:* Mittwoch, 19. Februar 2014 10:20
> *To:* fiware-apps at lists.fi-ware.eu
> <mailto:fiware-apps at lists.fi-ware.eu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fiware-apps] Packaging Planning
>
> Dear Markus, all,
>
>
> I was not able to attend the conference call yesterday as I
> was traveling for the FTTH Council,
> where I am currently presenting the business calculator GE
> work and mentioning at the same time our work in the full
> BEMES project.
> We will of course make a third package containing the linked
> business calculator and business modeler GE's,
> to be able to install as a single package.
>
> When and where do we have to deliver these packages?
>
>
> best regards,
> Koen
>
>
>
> On 2/18/2014 4:35 PM, Heller, Markus wrote:
>
> Dear WP3,
>
> In today's telco we have defined 2 Packages for the Apps
> chapter.
>
> I plan to forward this list as our chapter's package list
> to the coordinator on or after Wednesday 19.02 EOB:
>
> 1) Package 1:
>
> -Name: "*Business Framework Provisioning Package*" (focus
> is on provisioning)
>
> -Lead: ATOS, Partners: ATOS, UPM, SAP
>
> -Used GEs: COMPEL, Store, Marketplace, Repository
>
> -Delivery: not recipes. Delivered as 1 single VM image
> with installed + integrated GEs to be offered in FI-LAB as
> "dedicated instances".
>
> -FI-WARE Catalog Pages: SAP can create them
>
> -Timeline: TBD (Release 3)
>
> -Comments:
>
> nIdentity Management is left out here (agreed) and is used
> in package 2.
>
> nStory: User uses Store to create an offering (including
> adding metadata like WSDL link) and to publish it in
> Marketplace. COMPEL users can find/search it and use it....
>
> nTechnically: The service USDL includes as metadata a
> "link to WSDL". COMPEL relies on this and can access the
> offered service via WDSL
>
> nEnhancement needed in Store so that user can add metadata
> in USDL. Rest is integrated.
>
> 2) Package 2:
>
> -Name: "*Business Framework Consumption Package*" (focus
> is on consumption)
>
> -Lead: UPM, Partners: UPM, TID, SAP
>
> -Used GEs: Wirecloud, Store, Marketplace, Repository, RSS,
> Identity Management
>
> -Delivery: RECIPE-based solution that create/populates the
> solution into FI-LAB to be offered in FI-LAB as "dedicated
> instance (recipes)" (Plan B: like package 1)
>
> -FI-WARE Catalog Pages: SAP can create them
>
> -Timeline: TBD (Release 3)
>
> -Comments:
>
> nIdentity Management integrated already and mandatory
> (ensure that same user performs actions)
>
> nRSS is only available as a "Global instance" and would
> run separately. The packaged GES access it via the URLS
> provided.
>
> Please comment or add if needed to these candidate
> descriptions per mail to mailing list.
>
> If other WP3 partners would like to also propose their own
> packages, you must do via mail to the apps mailing list
> until *Wednesday 19.02. Lunchtime* latest (tomorrow).
>
> I will send our list on or after tomorrow EOB to Juanjo.
> Juanjo collects it and plans to send out an official mail
> listing all planned "packages" in the chapters this week
> (announced: Thursday 20.02).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Markus
>
> *From:*Heller, Markus
> *Sent:* Dienstag, 11. Februar 2014 16:31
> *To:* 'fiware-apps at lists.fi-ware.eu
> <mailto:fiware-apps at lists.fi-ware.eu>'
> *Subject:* Packaging Planning
>
> Hi,
>
> as in the telco, based on Juanjo's Mails from Monday on
> packaging and our discussion today. We start a
> brainstorming now:
>
> - packaging is not restricted to a low-level technical
> integration of GEs or technical availability of a GE in
> FI-Lab or else alone. It instead should be thought in a
> "business sense", a solution package with identifiable
> Business Value for a user of that package.
>
> - we try to find a uniform method to deliver packages per
> GE and start discussion now how this looks like.
>
> - each GE owner can ultimately decide if he would like to
> create one for his GEs. I recommend in light of making our
> stuff more easily consumable and also Arian has emphasized
> that he favors packages and really demands them.
>
> I.*How does a package look like / how realized?*
>
> "1 GE package"
>
> - A document (PDF/Flyer?) with data to link to a instance
> on FI-LAB
>
> - business level address to the consumer: You benefit with
> this business value: XY, it costs you:, yiou will save
> time+frustration....
>
> - licensing infomation
>
> - contains written docu (e.g. compiled out of existing docu)
>
> - webinar stuff somehow added
>
> - What else?
>
> "Multi-GE-Package"
>
> - A document (PDF/Flyer?) with data to link to a instance
> on FI-LAB
>
> - business level address to the consumer: You benefit with
> this business value: XY, it costs you:, yiou will save
> time+frustration....
>
> - licensing infomation
>
> - contains written docu (e.g. compiled out of existing docu)
>
> - webinar stuff somehow added
>
> - What else?
>
> - Attention: What if multiple licenses are affected. How
> do we address that excactly?
>
> *II. Who plans a package: Please add here if you intend to
> deliver such and indicate when this will be really available:*
>
> A."1GE-Package" Planned Packages per GE Candidates)
>
> - SAP Repository (M36)
>
> - SAP Marketplace (M36)
>
> - SAP Registry (M36)
>
> - (Yours)
>
> - ...
>
> B. "Multi-GE-Package" Planned bigger packages (candidates)
>
> [...]
>
> Please reply to the mailing list with us all in CC.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Markus
>
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