Hello Thierry, all, I have some remarks indeed. The shareware model could be ok BUT it is not easily applicable to some of the GEs. Mainly for GEs that will be on the "terminal side" (IoT GEs, I2ND GEs ...). These GEs are expected to be instantiated in large volumes (they are parts of terminals) and having to manage licenses for such items will be a nightmare. Having to "control" that these items have been legitimately licensed will even be worse, we might have to develop code dedicated to checking that an item is properly licensed, this verification code would have to be developed using technologies found in content management (for example, video game copy protection) that might be so complex they actually will be more expensive to implement than the piece of code they will protect. Maybe this "shareware licensing scheme" might become a new GE by itself ?? (if the "terminal-side" SW is easy to port / implement) ... On top of that, we (partners) will have to commercially manage these licenses. This means we must have a dedicated team granting licenses numbers to others and collecting money out of that. Who amongst the partners have such a group in its company??? Kind regards H Henk HEIJNEN Manager, Cooperative Projects [cid:image001.jpg at 01CDC8B7.2827A6B0] [cid:image002.png at 01CDC8B7.2827A6B0] Technology & Research Funded & Cooperative Programs 975 avenue des champs blancs - CS 17616 35576 Cesson-Sévigné cedex - FRANCE Tél: +33 2 99 27 33 08 - GSM: +33 6 72 39 26 24 From: fiware-exploitation-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-exploitation-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of thierry.nagellen at orange.com Sent: jeudi 22 novembre 2012 12:30 To: Tobias Jacobs; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-exploitation at lists.fi-ware.eu Subject: Re: [Fiware-exploitation] Shareware approach ofr 3rd parties to use Fi-Ware GEs Dear all, Except NEC answer, there is no other contribution. I could interpret that as it is not a crucial point or nobody would really try to implement a fi-ware instance for 3rd parties which are not involved in the FI PPP. Or maybe some of you prefer also spend lots of time with lawyers to solve the FRAND issues with all GE owners... Maybe I should an email requesting for an free open source from all GE owners to have more feedback. BR Thierry De : Tobias Jacobs [mailto:Tobias.Jacobs at neclab.eu] Envoyé : mercredi 21 novembre 2012 13:40 À : NAGELLEN Thierry OLNC/OLPS; fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-exploitation at lists.fi-ware.eu Objet : RE: [Fiware-exploitation] Shareware approach ofr 3rd parties to use Fi-Ware GEs Dear Thierry, Although we have to check with NEC's license policy before making a final statement on this, I like to say already now that the shareware model sounds very attractive so us in comparison with both open sourcing and commercialization. The benefit for the GE users is indeed a strong argument for taking that road. As a statement on the license is due before the review next week, it would be good if a decision on this issue could be made as soon as possible. How was the resonance in Seville? Best regards Tobias From: fiware-exploitation-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-exploitation-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-exploitation-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of thierry.nagellen at orange.com<mailto:thierry.nagellen at orange.com> Sent: Mittwoch, 21. November 2012 10:11 To: fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu>; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu>; fiware-exploitation at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-exploitation at lists.fi-ware.eu> Subject: [Fiware-exploitation] Shareware approach ofr 3rd parties to use Fi-Ware GEs Dear all, As I explained in Seville, but of course not all partners were there, to put in place a Fi-Ware instance should be a nightmare if a partner has to deal with all GE owners to know under which conditions it could use the GEs for 3rd parties involvement and to launch an ecosystem. This type of negotiation would first take lots of time and second does not support a business model approach for a Fi-Ware instance because you cannot define your price before to close all negotiations with each GE owner. The other approach is first to avoid any legal trouble trying to change FI PPP approach and opening GE use to 3rd parties which will not sign the Collaboration Agreement. I fully understand that our legal process are not the same in each company but I expect that what I propose could have the lower legal impact. What is a shareware approach? Two specific issues with a software: first you can limit the set of features till user who downloads your software pay for it, second you can put a deadline after which the software will not be available on your computer (another way is to ask for a license number, so as a registered member you can install the software and the licence give you a deadline) >From a technical point of view, and because we propose innovative service for Future Internet (at least I expect so for all GEs ;-) ) it is not relevant to limit the features you can use when you download and use a GE. But it is very easy to put a deadline inside the code to be sure for example that an user will have to update the GE with a new release (typically release 2 end of April and then 3rd release). We can also follow how many times a GE Reference Instance is really downloaded and if it is successful. This approach could support for all GE owner a business model approach analyzing what is the concrete value users will be able to identify using the GE. In this approach we do not have to ask for money also, from my point of view, to avoid any financial process. In this approach, we do not have also to provide a commercial support from our companies for GE RI because we all know that it is very difficult to put in place and we have to demonstrate the ROI for each of them before. This shareware approach should not have a strong legal impact because each of us has not to provide some source code and will not decide any commercial support which could involve the company in legal matters. Your feedback is welcome and expected and at least Orange expects to deliver its own GE RI in this way to support a strong launch new ecosystems. Best regards Thierry Nagellen Program Manager Future Internet Orange Labs Networks & Carriers 905 rue Albert Einstein 06921 Sophia Antipolis Cedex +33 492 94 52 84 +33 679 85 08 44 _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, France Telecom - Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. 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