By all means - adjusting the terminology to fit your needs and fit to the domain makes a lot of sense Happy you are basing it on whats already out there. Guy Sharon Manager Event-based Middleware & Solutions Group Event-based Middleware & Solutions phone : +972 4 8296587 mobile : +972 54 6976417 address : IBM R&D Labs in Israel, Haifa University Campus, Mount Carmel, Haifa, 31905, Israel email : guysh at il.ibm.com From: "Farkas, Lorant (NSN - HU/Budapest)" <lorant.farkas at nsn.com> To: Guy Sharon/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, "Ricardo de las Heras" <rheras at tid.es>, <fiware-data at lists.fi-ware.eu>, <fiware-iot at lists.fi-ware.eu> Cc: <sabine.zander at orange-ftgroup.com>, <boris.moltchanov at telecomitalia.it> Date: 26/05/2011 12:21 Subject: RE: [Fiware-iot] Fiware - Event definition agreement between WP5 &WP6 Hello Guy, The definition actually comes from me and takes into account the EPTS definition. However, when we discuss with usage areas we should use simple terms, avoid to have a too elaborated terminology and on the other hand we should grasp what is the IoT specificity of it, which currently - I must confess - is not present yet in the definition. The definition of the event in EPTS: "An object that represents, encodes, or records an event, generally for the purpose of computer processing" is not the best one to be used as an explanation for the usage areas, I think. On the other hand the EPTS is very good in the sense that it has a clear, short definition of individual terms and then a set of examples. I will try to follow the same approach with the definition. Br, Lorant From: fiware-iot-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [ mailto:fiware-iot-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of ext Guy Sharon Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:09 AM To: Ricardo de las Heras; fiware-data at lists.fi-ware.eu; fiware-iot at lists.fi-ware.eu Cc: sabine.zander at orange-ftgroup.com; boris.moltchanov at telecomitalia.it Subject: Re: [Fiware-iot] Fiware - Event definition agreement between WP5 &WP6 Hi Ricardo, My suggestion in event and event processing terminology is not to reinvent. The most elaborated and common terminology in this area can be found in the Event Processing Technical Society - the event glossary http://www.ep-ts.com/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,66/Itemid,84/ It covers events, event objects, complex and derived events etc. Guy Sharon Manager Event-based Middleware & Solutions Group Event-based Middleware & Solutions phone : +972 4 8296587 mobile : +972 54 6976417 address : IBM R&D Labs in Israel, Haifa University Campus, Mount Carmel, Haifa, 31905, Israel email : guysh at il.ibm.com From: Ricardo de las Heras <rheras at tid.es> To: Guy Sharon/Haifa/IBM at IBMIL, "sabine.zander at orange-ftgroup.com" <sabine.zander at orange-ftgroup.com>, JUAN JOSE HIERRO SUREDA <jhierro at tid.es> Cc: boris.moltchanov at telecomitalia.it Date: 26/05/2011 11:50 Subject: Fiware - Event definition agreement between WP5 & WP6 Dear colleagues from WP6, in the IoT WP5, we are defining a basic glossary as common framework for our work and future understanding in this area. However some of the definitions and concepts are relevant for you as well, because CEP, massive storage or Context mngmt. overlaps with the IoT World in some way, that's why I point directly to you in this mail as partners involved in those areas within WP6. First, from WP5 we would like to achieve a common agreement with you about the concept of a 'Event', so please check the current definition we have and modify it if needed: "Event. An event can be defined as an activity that happens/occurs or the digital representation of this activity in a an IoT backend instance, or more generally, in a FI-WARE instance. The second definition could be called ?event object?, but it can be argued that the context will always identify which meaning of the term is used. There is one-to-many relationship between the two meanings: the same activity can be represented by more than one event object; where each event object can capture different attributes of the activity. In many event processing systems the events are immutable, in such systems modifications of an event must be achieved by creating a new event. Events may be simple and complex. A simple event is an event that is not an abstraction or composition of other events. An example of a simple event is that ?smart meter X got broken?. A complex event is an event that is an abstraction of other events called its members. For example a stock market crash or a cellular network blackout is an abstraction denoting many thousand of member events. In many cases a complex event references the set of its members, the implication being that the event contains a reference. For example, the cellular network blackout may be caused by a power failure of the air conditioning in the operator?s data center. In other cases such a reference may not exist. For example, usually there is no accepted agreement as to which events are members of a stock market crash complex event." Nevertheless the idea is that WP5 will mainly use the CEP or Publish/Subscribe/Notify mechanisms provided by WP6. And second, regarding the data storage, in the WP5 we are not going to locally store the historic data collected from the IoT World. We have to discuss this important issue in the future meetings, but I understand the basic idea we agreed in the past between both WPS, was that WP6 collects and stores all those huge amount of information received from IoT and WP5 will only store locally the gathered information in the case that information would not be relevant for the rest of the scope of the WP5, I mean the usage areas and the rest of the Fiware WPs. 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