[Fiware-security] [Fiware-wpa] The Backlog is not about describing features that assets being adopted as baseline already implement

[GIDOIN Daniel]

Thank a lot Pedro and Robert!
We cannot let a major problem for industrial partners.

Daniel

De : Pedro Soria Rodriguez [mailto:pedro.soria at atosresearch.eu]
Envoyé : vendredi 7 octobre 2011 11:30
À : Seidl, Robert (NSN - DE/Munich); ext Juanjo Hierro; GIDOIN Daniel
Cc : fiware-security at lists.fi-ware.eu
Objet : RE: [Fiware-security] [Fiware-wpa] The Backlog is not about describing features that assets being adopted as baseline already implement


Hello, I’d like to support Robert and Daniel.

In WP8,  we at Atos are also concerned about the public visibility of the backlog.

The backlog aids development, but development is a task of the consortium, and public visibility is not needed.

--
Pedro Soria-Rodriguez
Head of Sector
Atos Research & Innovation
Albarracín, 25
28037 Madrid, Spain

Email: pedro.soria at atosresearch.eu<mailto:pedro.soria at atosresearch.eu>


From: fiware-security-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-security-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of Seidl, Robert (NSN - DE/Munich)
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:28
To: ext Juanjo Hierro; GIDOIN Daniel
Cc: fiware-security at lists.fi-ware.eu
Subject: Re: [Fiware-security] [Fiware-wpa] The Backlog is not about describing features that assets being adopted as baseline already implement

Dear Juanjo,
I agree with Daniel and do NOT agree with your point of view.
This approach you are refering to was not agreed with all partners and is also not part of the DOW.

I support Daniel for this topic.
Please Juanjo find a solution for this issue!
Same holds for asset description.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Best regards
Seidl Robert
Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH & Co. KG
CTO R SWS IDM
St.-Martin-Strasse 76
81541 Muenchen
phone +49 (0)89 5159 21106
mobile +49 (0)172 3652971
email robert.seidl at nsn.com<mailto:robert.seidl at nsn.com>



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From: fiware-security-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu [mailto:fiware-security-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] On Behalf Of ext Juanjo Hierro
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:22 AM
To: GIDOIN Daniel
Cc: fiware-security at lists.fi-ware.eu
Subject: Re: [Fiware-security] [Fiware-wpa] The Backlog is not about describing features that assets being adopted as baseline already implement
Dear Daniel,

  Your opinion maybe, but nothing that has to do with how we decided to approach this cooperative, open and Agile project.

  Please stay with the guidelines.

  Best regards,

-- Juanjo

On 07/10/11 10:02, GIDOIN Daniel wrote:
Dear Juanjo,
in my opinion, the backlog cannot be public; otherwise we would not put very technical information.
Daniel
De : fiware-wpa-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpa-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu> [mailto:fiware-wpa-bounces at lists.fi-ware.eu] De la part de Juanjo Hierro
Envoyé : vendredi 7 octobre 2011 09:36
À : fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpl at lists.fi-ware.eu>; fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu<mailto:fiware-wpa at lists.fi-ware.eu>
Objet : [Fiware-wpa] The Backlog is not about describing features that assets being adopted as baseline already implement
Hi all,

  As I have mentioned several times, the Backlog in a product development project is fundamentally about functionality that has to be developed in the product.   Seeking for clarity, and because I have found it helpful when explaining Agile concepts, I have referred to it as "work to be done" because actually what you have to do when developing a software product is developing your functionality.

  On the other hand, we have to deal with a fundamental characteristic of this project: it is not about developing from the scratch but from a baseline formed by selected products (assets) generated in previous projects.   And most of them hadn't been developed using Agile so far.

  If we had developed every GE from the scratch, the backlogs would contain Themes/Epics/Features/User-stories that, all together, would summarize the whole functionality of the GE.  But this is not the case.

  You should consider that the backlog for each and every GE should contain the Themes/Epics/Features/User-stories that, at the current moment, is "pending functionality" (or development) still to be addressed.   It is not the intent that, by reading all entries in the backlog, you should have a complete view on the functionality of the GE.  Someone who wants to have a detailed picture of all target functionality should:

 1.  read the FI-WARE Product Vision, in order to understand what is overall expected for the GE
 2.  read the documentation available for the baseline assets used for materializing the GE: this should give the reader a clear picture of what is already there
 3.  read the backlog, to understand what's going on and is somehow on the roadmap
  The exercise we are doing is about setting the Agile backlogs that will drive our future developments.  It's not about documenting what he have done during many years in our respective labs.

  A last comment: some Agile authorized experts go up to the point that they believe that Backlogs should not only contain info about the functionality to be developed in the product but any "work to be done" by the development team of a product, thus, using Agile for managing every activities in a project.   That's why they mention that entries in a Backlog should be indeed named as "Work Items" rather than "User-stories" ... but that is, of course, a matter of taste.   What is mandatory is to document the Themes/Epics/Features/User-stories that will drive developments on selected assets (this include developments required for integrating the different assets, of course).  This is what should be uploaded on the Wiki and referred from tickets in the "Backlog Management" tracker.   You may create another "Backlog" trackers for additional activities (like documentation, etc.).   That's why I created a "Task Force Management" tracker in addition.

  Remember: Agile is about creating stuff that is useful in the development, not stuff for satisfying reviewers.

  Regards,

-- Juanjo


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