On 02/10/13 11:18, stefano de panfilis wrote: dear juanjo, to me is not completely clear, although you say so, the difference between smart cities and smart business. what is smart business: making applications with high business impact? The challenge looking for Smart business applications would have to do with applications that would help companies, with special emphasize to SMEs, to run their businesses. Operation of businesses are called to change based on applications that what i mean is that the second should be the ultimate goal also for the first and for the overall challange you have in mind for the last contest, i.e. all the solutions proposed should have a good, i'd rather say the best possible, usage of fi-ware technologies and also good marketability proposing high innovative solutions. so if this is correct, i think for the first contest we have just one topic. As explained, the scope of applications targeted to Smart Cities is radically different than applications targeted to support Smart Businesses. We should add examples which may help to clarify the scope of each challenge in the posts where we will announce them. Also referring to Smart Business/Industry may be helpful. Of course, as you say, applications targeted to both challenges will be evaluated taking into consideration their potential impact. I haven't heard about any objection from the rest of people, who seem to have understood the original intention, so unless we heard about other issues on your side, we should keep going and publish the two challenges that would be part of the first round of challenges. for the second i'd like to propose and this for young people could be really interesting applications for ageing people. this is one of the most social challenge we are going to face in the next coming years and the eyes of the fi-ware community on this topic would be seen as a strong signal of being from us in line with the current needs of the worl population. i think also an eye should be put on environment and society. Issue is that we need to address how to spend the 290 K€ of prizes allocated to the second round of challenges. I don't have a clear opinion on this matter, although I see the following points: 1. Societal applications seem to be a good candidate (although with doubtful chances to find SMEs aiming to work on them because it is hard to find business cases, I'm afraid). 2. Once winners of the first round of challenges (Applications for Smart Cities and Smart Businesses) have been decided, it's a pity that we don't give them the change to continue evolving their application until Campus Party Europe (assuming it take place in July). The launch of "FI-WARE Excellence Awards" where a chance to keep them working aiming at winning these awards. 3. If we defer launch of the challenge on Societal applications until end of the year, then we are giving potential contestants of that challenge less chances to win the "FI-WARE Excellence Awards" than contestants to challenges in the first round of challenges 4. On the other hand, launching the three challenges now, would mean "spending all the ammunition" right now regarding calls, instead of distributing them along the time Futura Network proposes to launch a second round of two challenges one of which would be on searching for a Societal Application, while the other one would be given away to proposals who are excellent regarding usage of FI-WARE technologies. Because of point 3 above, I'm not so convincing. Based on 1, 2 and 3, I tend to believe that the best choice would be to launch all the three thematic challenges (Smart Cities, Smart Business/Industry, Smart Society ...) right now, maybe with a difference of a week per each, and then go for a selection of winners at the end of Campus Party Europe but then make a final call for a challenge on "FI-WARE Excellence" where winners of the three different challenges would be invited to participate (therefore having potentially the change to increase their funding). However, as I have said, I don't have a strong opinion and I would hear others' As Nuria mentioned, don't let discussion on the challenges in the second round of challenges (to be launched end of this year) or even the launch now of a third thematic challenge block the launch of the two challenges we had identified on Smart Cities and Smart Businesses/Industry. Feedback of all of you is greatly appreciated. Cheers, -- Juanjo my two cents. ciao, stefano 2013/10/1 Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es<mailto:jhierro at tid.es>> Hi all, Futura Networks will send an email with further details, but let me briefly describe what they have proposed and we need to approve this week. As you know, there were aprox. 870 K€ in prizes to be consumed until end of the proyect. Of these 870 K€, 17.500€ were consumed in Campus Party Europe in London (2.500 € of one of the special awards were not given away). The idea is now to launch a number of challenges which will be run along a number of months. We would start launching two thematic challenges, one focused on Smart Cities and another one focused on Smart Businesses. The two challenges would be launched this week and we would define a deadline (mid November) to collect proposals. Proposers who accompany their ideas with proof of concepts developed on FI-LAB, etc will be given preference. In December we would select 20 proposals for each of the challenges and we will invite two people of each of the selected teams to travel to the Campus Party Brasil, early February 2014. The selected teams attending the Campus Party Brasil event will run a final there so that the final prizes are given away: * 1st prize: 75 K€ * 2nd prize: 40 K€ * third prize: 20 K€ * two additional special awards (e.g., "Young developer"): 5.000 € each During the Campus Party Brasil event we would launch the second round of challenges, targeted to be given away at the Campus Party Europe (most likely to take place in Spain during July 2014). A similar schema would be followed. We would define an interim milestone to select the 40 best proposals and pay them the travel expenses to Campus Party Europe where a final would take place. There are several options for this second round of challenges, we may go for thematic challenges (we didn't have too appealing themes) or we may go for a big contest to be referred as "FI-WARE Excellence Awards" (with total 290K€ in prizes) where there would not be restriction about the theme to be addressed and focus would be given on finding the applications that make best usage of FI-WARE technologies. Another possibility is to find another two thematic challenges, or do a mix: run one thematic challenge and one "FI-WARE Excellenge Awards" (in this case, each with 145 K€ in prizes). Personally, I would go fo a single challenge on "FI-WARE Excellence Awards" with total 290 K€ in prizes, but your feedback is welcome. The launch of the first two challenges on Smart Cities and Smart Businesses (with 145 K€ in prizes each) look more clear to me and, since we are running a bit out of time, I would go for advertising them at the Campusero Community this Thursday 17:00 unless anyone has an objection. Cheers, -- Juanjo ------------- Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital website: www.tid.es<http://www.tid.es> email: jhierro at tid.es<mailto:jhierro at tid.es> twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro<http://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro> FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Coordinator and Chief Architect FI-PPP Architecture Board chairman You can follow FI-WARE at: website: http://www.fi-ware.eu facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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