Dear Esther,
first of all, thank you for the work you're doing.
I would like to know if Smart Challenges have been officially launched
in Santander and,
if yes, if is it possible to update the page of FI-WARE web site
reporting the details
of these challenges.
thak you,
BR
Davide
On 14/10/2013 20:40, Esther Paniagua wrote:
> Dear partners:
>
> Thanks to all of you for sharing your views about the challenges. I
> understand them and I'd like to clarify the issue that Philipp is
> mentioning regarding the amount of time that involves to create a
> prototype "only" to participate in a challenge. As it is not something
> that is going to happen in the first phase -that consists on a call
> for ideas- only the 20 candidates of each challenge that pass to this
> next phase will have to develop such prototype. Then, this 20
> candidates will have real possibilities to win the prize to finance
> their idea.
>
> We have no more time to spend because we need to take the final
> decision. I attach a draft post with the information that would be
> published to launch the first two prizes (Smart Cities an Smart
> Business) that will be deeply defined in the registration page with
> the instructions and the legal basis. Maybe the post is useful for you
> to understand the idea better. Juanjo is working on the technical
> specifications of each challenge too, so it will be for help too.
>
> Attending to your worries, I suggest to include in the description of
> eath challenge, as well as in the post, a mention about our aim
> regarding the start-ups creation, in order to clarify our objective
> and to define better the kind of projects that we look for (that is,
> proposals that may have a real impact while being feasible).
>
> Please, send us additional comments before tomorrow evening. We'd like
> to take the opportunity to launch the challenges during the FI-WARE
> event in Santander this week, so we have to be very agile.
>
> Thanks for all in advance :)
>
> --
> Esther Paniagua
> Coordinadora de Campus Labs
> Futura Networks
>
>
> 2013/10/6 stefano de panfilis <stefano.depanfilis at eng.it
> <mailto:stefano.depanfilis at eng.it>>
>
> dear juanjo,
>
> i perfectly agree with your answer, and exactly becouse of that, the
> approach you explained should be better emphasised in the call for the
> context.
>
> i think also the idea of funnelling the proposals with an
> intermediatery step is important and gives to the context the level of
> attractiveness for smes that philipp is aiming at. again also this
> should be well formalised and explained in the call for the context.
>
> ciao,
> stefano
>
> 2013/10/6 Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es>>:
> > Dear Philipp,
> >
> > What you say maybe true for the kind of hackathons you run at
> a Campus
> > Party event, i.e., hackathons that start and end at the event.
> We all
> > agree that we shouldn't go for too high prizes at those
> hackathons and we
> > won't.
> >
> > However, what it will be launched this time is different. It
> pretends to
> > be something that implies funding a more complete development,
> that's why it
> > lasts several months. A different matter is that we define an
> intermediate
> > milestone that will help to perform a first selection of
> contestants who
> > will be paid to travel to Campus Party Brasil to run the final
> (they are
> > expected to evolve whatever proof of concept they have developed
> at that
> > time but this will give them a signal that it's worth investing
> and continue
> > the development because at least they will be able to showcase their
> > application in the Campus Party Brasil event which may help them
> to gain
> > some visibility for their application).
> >
> > Startups or SMEs who have an application already in mind (or have
> > developed some early versions of it) and believe incorporation
> of FI-WARE
> > technologies could fit in their architecture evolution plan are
> welcome to
> > participate in these challenges and they are indeed our target
> audience.
> >
> > To some extend, these challenges will follow a formula very
> similar to
> > what are going to be the Open Calls targeted to SMEs in Call 3
> (Use Case
> > Expansion projects) and indeed I believe we will extract very
> interesting
> > lessons during the process.
> >
> > Last but not least, despite you may have the impression that the
> > contestants to the FI-WARE prizes in Campus Party Europe in
> London where
> > simply students or people who just wanted to play and see
> whether they could
> > win some prize at the event, it was interesting to learn that
> some of them
> > are already planning (or in the process) of running a startup
> ... and they
> > expressed their interest to learn whether usage of FI-WARE
> technologies
> > could help them to catch some funding.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > -- Juanjo
> >
> > -------------
> > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital
> > website: www.tid.es <http://www.tid.es>
> > email: jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es>
> > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro <http://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro>
> >
> > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Coordinator
> > and Chief Architect
> >
> > FI-PPP Architecture Board chairman
> >
> > You can follow FI-WARE at:
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> > twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware
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> >
> > On 06/10/13 11:14, Philipp Slusallek wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sorry for being (too?) late with my response but we had a big review
> > last week as well as a long weekend due to a national holiday.
> >
> > This is the first time I hear about these plans of attracting
> developers
> > and I am not too convinced about this concept at all. So here
> are my 2
> > cents worth.
> >
> > Competitions are only attractive to really small groups
> developers who
> > can work on this in their spare time, such as students or
> hobbyists. Its
> > not too interesting for serious SMEs or Web entrepreneurs that
> struggle
> > to keep their income and cannot spend weeks of time building a
> prototype
> > for a competition where its is a big gamble whether to get any
> return on
> > the investment. Anyone with a serious business plan and idea, better
> > stays focused on getting this to work. Google, facebook, etc.
> were not
> > founded through a competition. The goal for FI-WARE should
> therefore not
> > be to target people that "gamble" but helping people with a solid
> > business idea to more successfully execute it in the context and
> with
> > the support of the FI-PPP.
> >
> > A special exception may be open source developers that work for the
> > "greater good". But if this is the target (which might actually be a
> > good idea, similar to the Google Summer of Code) than the whole
> thing
> > should be structured differently. Google, for example, does not
> hand out
> > price money but funds the execution of the best and brightest ideas.
> > This actually helps getting the good ideas implemented and does
> not just
> > hand over big sums of money.
> >
> > When we are targeting small developers through the competitions
> then a
> > price money of several tens of kEUR seems way too high. This are
> likely
> > not the people that necessarily will create a start-up or other
> business
> > idea around their project with this money. It takes way more than a
> > quick good idea to be economically successful and I would even
> say that
> > we should not even encourage such a development.
> >
> > Maybe I am too harsh about the campuseros and missing the point
> here (I
> > was not at the event). But it is consistent with what I have
> heard and
> > is also the clear opinion in FI-Content after quite long discussions
> > about exactly this topic. There we also have competitions but
> the price
> > money is way smaller. Also our competitions are only a small
> addition to
> > our other activities targeting a very different audience
> (students etc.,
> > see above) than we do with the OpenCall or Phase-III, where we
> > specifically target different groups of serious developers with very
> > different means and therefore necessarily more money per proposal.
> >
> > I realize it is late and there is not a lot of time to still change
> > anything. Anyway, I believe its worth considering and maybe
> taking into
> > account to the degree still possible.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Philipp
> >
> >
> > Am 02.10.2013 00:06, schrieb Esther Paniagua:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm Esther Paniagua, coordinator of Campus Labs at Futura Networks.
> >
> > I'm attaching a post that we've prepared for the launching of
> the two
> > first challenges, that may be of help to understand the process.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/10/1 Davide Dalle Carbonare <davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it
> <mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it>
> > <mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it
> <mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it>>>
> >
> > Dear Juanjo,
> > the format sounds good to me, I think the first two
> challenges,
> > for the first round are fine.
> > I wait for additional details especially regarding the final
> phase
> > at Campus Party.
> >
> > kind regards,
> > Davide
> >
> >
> >
> > On 01/10/2013 17:53, Juanjo Hierro wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Futura Networks will send an email with further details,
> but let
> > me briefly describe what they have proposed and we need to
> approve
> > this week.
> >
> > As you know, there were aprox. 870 KEUR in prizes to be
> consumed
> > until end of the proyect. Of these 870 KEUR, 17.500EUR
> were consumed
> > in Campus Party Europe in London (2.500 EUR of one of the
> special
> > awards were not given away).
> >
> > The idea is now to launch a number of challenges which will be
> > run along a number of months. We would start launching two
> > thematic challenges, one focused on Smart Cities and another one
> > focused on Smart Businesses.
> >
> > The two challenges would be launched this week and we would
> > define a deadline (mid November) to collect proposals.
> Proposers
> > who accompany their ideas with proof of concepts developed on
> > FI-LAB, etc will be given preference. In December we would
> > select 20 proposals for each of the challenges and we will
> invite
> > two people of each of the selected teams to travel to the Campus
> > Party Brasil, early February 2014.
> >
> > The selected teams attending the Campus Party Brasil event
> will
> > run a final there so that the final prizes are given away:
> >
> > * 1st prize: 75 KEUR
> > * 2nd prize: 40 KEUR
> > * third prize: 20 KEUR
> > * two additional special awards (e.g., "Young developer"):
> 5.000
> > EUR each
> >
> >
> > During the Campus Party Brasil event we would launch the
> second
> > round of challenges, targeted to be given away at the Campus
> Party
> > Europe (most likely to take place in Spain during July
> 2014). A
> > similar schema would be followed. We would define an interim
> > milestone to select the 40 best proposals and pay them the
> travel
> > expenses to Campus Party Europe where a final would take place.
> >
> > There are several options for this second round of challenges,
> > we may go for thematic challenges (we didn't have too appealing
> > themes) or we may go for a big contest to be referred as
> "FI-WARE
> > Excellence Awards" (with total 290KEUR in prizes) where
> there would
> > not be restriction about the theme to be addressed and focus
> would
> > be given on finding the applications that make best usage of
> > FI-WARE technologies. Another possibility is to find
> another two
> > thematic challenges, or do a mix: run one thematic challenge and
> > one "FI-WARE Excellenge Awards" (in this case, each with 145
> KEUR in
> > prizes).
> >
> > Personally, I would go fo a single challenge on "FI-WARE
> > Excellence Awards" with total 290 KEUR in prizes, but your
> feedback
> > is welcome.
> >
> > The launch of the first two challenges on Smart Cities and
> Smart
> > Businesses (with 145 KEUR in prizes each) look more clear to
> me and,
> > since we are running a bit out of time, I would go for
> advertising
> > them at the Campusero Community this Thursday 17:00 unless
> anyone
> > has an objection.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > -- Juanjo
> >
> > -------------
> > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital
> > website: www.tid.es <http://www.tid.es> <http://www.tid.es>
> > email: jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es>
> <mailto:jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es>>
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> <http://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro> <http://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro>
> >
> > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Coordinator
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> >
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> >
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