Dear Esther, sorry to push again on this ... it's important for me to know if challenges have been officially launched and relative details as far as I may have the possibility to present them at an event in few weeks from now. thank you and kind regards, Davide On 25/10/2013 15:32, Davide Dalle Carbonare wrote: > Dear Esther, > first of all, thank you for the work you're doing. > > I would like to know if Smart Challenges have been officially launched > in Santander and, > if yes, if is it possible to update the page of FI-WARE web site > reporting the details > of these challenges. > > thak you, > BR > Davide > > On 14/10/2013 20:40, Esther Paniagua wrote: >> Dear partners: >> >> Thanks to all of you for sharing your views about the challenges. I >> understand them and I'd like to clarify the issue that Philipp is >> mentioning regarding the amount of time that involves to create a >> prototype "only" to participate in a challenge. As it is not >> something that is going to happen in the first phase -that consists >> on a call for ideas- only the 20 candidates of each challenge that >> pass to this next phase will have to develop such prototype. Then, >> this 20 candidates will have real possibilities to win the prize to >> finance their idea. >> >> We have no more time to spend because we need to take the final >> decision. I attach a draft post with the information that would be >> published to launch the first two prizes (Smart Cities an Smart >> Business) that will be deeply defined in the registration page with >> the instructions and the legal basis. Maybe the post is useful for >> you to understand the idea better. Juanjo is working on the technical >> specifications of each challenge too, so it will be for help too. >> >> Attending to your worries, I suggest to include in the description of >> eath challenge, as well as in the post, a mention about our aim >> regarding the start-ups creation, in order to clarify our objective >> and to define better the kind of projects that we look for (that is, >> proposals that may have a real impact while being feasible). >> >> Please, send us additional comments before tomorrow evening. We'd >> like to take the opportunity to launch the challenges during the >> FI-WARE event in Santander this week, so we have to be very agile. >> >> Thanks for all in advance :) >> >> -- >> Esther Paniagua >> Coordinadora de Campus Labs >> Futura Networks >> >> >> 2013/10/6 stefano de panfilis <stefano.depanfilis at eng.it >> <mailto:stefano.depanfilis at eng.it>> >> >> dear juanjo, >> >> i perfectly agree with your answer, and exactly becouse of that, the >> approach you explained should be better emphasised in the call >> for the >> context. >> >> i think also the idea of funnelling the proposals with an >> intermediatery step is important and gives to the context the >> level of >> attractiveness for smes that philipp is aiming at. again also this >> should be well formalised and explained in the call for the context. >> >> ciao, >> stefano >> >> 2013/10/6 Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es>>: >> > Dear Philipp, >> > >> > What you say maybe true for the kind of hackathons you run at >> a Campus >> > Party event, i.e., hackathons that start and end at the event. >> We all >> > agree that we shouldn't go for too high prizes at those >> hackathons and we >> > won't. >> > >> > However, what it will be launched this time is different. >> It pretends to >> > be something that implies funding a more complete development, >> that's why it >> > lasts several months. A different matter is that we define an >> intermediate >> > milestone that will help to perform a first selection of >> contestants who >> > will be paid to travel to Campus Party Brasil to run the final >> (they are >> > expected to evolve whatever proof of concept they have >> developed at that >> > time but this will give them a signal that it's worth investing >> and continue >> > the development because at least they will be able to showcase >> their >> > application in the Campus Party Brasil event which may help >> them to gain >> > some visibility for their application). >> > >> > Startups or SMEs who have an application already in mind (or have >> > developed some early versions of it) and believe incorporation >> of FI-WARE >> > technologies could fit in their architecture evolution plan are >> welcome to >> > participate in these challenges and they are indeed our target >> audience. >> > >> > To some extend, these challenges will follow a formula very >> similar to >> > what are going to be the Open Calls targeted to SMEs in Call 3 >> (Use Case >> > Expansion projects) and indeed I believe we will extract very >> interesting >> > lessons during the process. >> > >> > Last but not least, despite you may have the impression that the >> > contestants to the FI-WARE prizes in Campus Party Europe in >> London where >> > simply students or people who just wanted to play and see >> whether they could >> > win some prize at the event, it was interesting to learn that >> some of them >> > are already planning (or in the process) of running a startup >> ... and they >> > expressed their interest to learn whether usage of FI-WARE >> technologies >> > could help them to catch some funding. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > -- Juanjo >> > >> > ------------- >> > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital >> > website: www.tid.es <http://www.tid.es> >> > email: jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es> >> > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro <http://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro> >> > >> > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Coordinator >> > and Chief Architect >> > >> > FI-PPP Architecture Board chairman >> > >> > You can follow FI-WARE at: >> > website: http://www.fi-ware.eu >> > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware >> > linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 >> > >> > On 06/10/13 11:14, Philipp Slusallek wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > Sorry for being (too?) late with my response but we had a big >> review >> > last week as well as a long weekend due to a national holiday. >> > >> > This is the first time I hear about these plans of attracting >> developers >> > and I am not too convinced about this concept at all. So here >> are my 2 >> > cents worth. >> > >> > Competitions are only attractive to really small groups >> developers who >> > can work on this in their spare time, such as students or >> hobbyists. Its >> > not too interesting for serious SMEs or Web entrepreneurs that >> struggle >> > to keep their income and cannot spend weeks of time building a >> prototype >> > for a competition where its is a big gamble whether to get any >> return on >> > the investment. Anyone with a serious business plan and idea, >> better >> > stays focused on getting this to work. Google, facebook, etc. >> were not >> > founded through a competition. The goal for FI-WARE should >> therefore not >> > be to target people that "gamble" but helping people with a solid >> > business idea to more successfully execute it in the context >> and with >> > the support of the FI-PPP. >> > >> > A special exception may be open source developers that work for the >> > "greater good". But if this is the target (which might actually >> be a >> > good idea, similar to the Google Summer of Code) than the whole >> thing >> > should be structured differently. Google, for example, does not >> hand out >> > price money but funds the execution of the best and brightest >> ideas. >> > This actually helps getting the good ideas implemented and does >> not just >> > hand over big sums of money. >> > >> > When we are targeting small developers through the competitions >> then a >> > price money of several tens of kEUR seems way too high. This >> are likely >> > not the people that necessarily will create a start-up or other >> business >> > idea around their project with this money. It takes way more than a >> > quick good idea to be economically successful and I would even >> say that >> > we should not even encourage such a development. >> > >> > Maybe I am too harsh about the campuseros and missing the point >> here (I >> > was not at the event). But it is consistent with what I have >> heard and >> > is also the clear opinion in FI-Content after quite long >> discussions >> > about exactly this topic. There we also have competitions but >> the price >> > money is way smaller. Also our competitions are only a small >> addition to >> > our other activities targeting a very different audience >> (students etc., >> > see above) than we do with the OpenCall or Phase-III, where we >> > specifically target different groups of serious developers with >> very >> > different means and therefore necessarily more money per proposal. >> > >> > I realize it is late and there is not a lot of time to still change >> > anything. Anyway, I believe its worth considering and maybe >> taking into >> > account to the degree still possible. >> > >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Philipp >> > >> > >> > Am 02.10.2013 00:06, schrieb Esther Paniagua: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I'm Esther Paniagua, coordinator of Campus Labs at Futura Networks. >> > >> > I'm attaching a post that we've prepared for the launching of >> the two >> > first challenges, that may be of help to understand the process. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2013/10/1 Davide Dalle Carbonare <davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it >> <mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it> >> > <mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it >> <mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it>>> >> > >> > Dear Juanjo, >> > the format sounds good to me, I think the first two >> challenges, >> > for the first round are fine. >> > I wait for additional details especially regarding the >> final phase >> > at Campus Party. >> > >> > kind regards, >> > Davide >> > >> > >> > >> > On 01/10/2013 17:53, Juanjo Hierro wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Futura Networks will send an email with further details, >> but let >> > me briefly describe what they have proposed and we need to >> approve >> > this week. >> > >> > As you know, there were aprox. 870 KEUR in prizes to be >> consumed >> > until end of the proyect. Of these 870 KEUR, 17.500EUR >> were consumed >> > in Campus Party Europe in London (2.500 EUR of one of the >> special >> > awards were not given away). >> > >> > The idea is now to launch a number of challenges which >> will be >> > run along a number of months. We would start launching two >> > thematic challenges, one focused on Smart Cities and >> another one >> > focused on Smart Businesses. >> > >> > The two challenges would be launched this week and we would >> > define a deadline (mid November) to collect proposals. >> Proposers >> > who accompany their ideas with proof of concepts developed on >> > FI-LAB, etc will be given preference. In December we would >> > select 20 proposals for each of the challenges and we will >> invite >> > two people of each of the selected teams to travel to the >> Campus >> > Party Brasil, early February 2014. >> > >> > The selected teams attending the Campus Party Brasil >> event will >> > run a final there so that the final prizes are given away: >> > >> > * 1st prize: 75 KEUR >> > * 2nd prize: 40 KEUR >> > * third prize: 20 KEUR >> > * two additional special awards (e.g., "Young >> developer"): 5.000 >> > EUR each >> > >> > >> > During the Campus Party Brasil event we would launch the >> second >> > round of challenges, targeted to be given away at the >> Campus Party >> > Europe (most likely to take place in Spain during July >> 2014). A >> > similar schema would be followed. We would define an interim >> > milestone to select the 40 best proposals and pay them the >> travel >> > expenses to Campus Party Europe where a final would take place. >> > >> > There are several options for this second round of >> challenges, >> > we may go for thematic challenges (we didn't have too appealing >> > themes) or we may go for a big contest to be referred as >> "FI-WARE >> > Excellence Awards" (with total 290KEUR in prizes) where >> there would >> > not be restriction about the theme to be addressed and >> focus would >> > be given on finding the applications that make best usage of >> > FI-WARE technologies. Another possibility is to find >> another two >> > thematic challenges, or do a mix: run one thematic >> challenge and >> > one "FI-WARE Excellenge Awards" (in this case, each with >> 145 KEUR in >> > prizes). >> > >> > Personally, I would go fo a single challenge on "FI-WARE >> > Excellence Awards" with total 290 KEUR in prizes, but your >> feedback >> > is welcome. >> > >> > The launch of the first two challenges on Smart Cities >> and Smart >> > Businesses (with 145 KEUR in prizes each) look more clear >> to me and, >> > since we are running a bit out of time, I would go for >> advertising >> > them at the Campusero Community this Thursday 17:00 unless >> anyone >> > has an objection. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > -- Juanjo >> > >> > ------------- >> > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital >> > website: www.tid.es <http://www.tid.es> <http://www.tid.es> >> > email: jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es> >> <mailto:jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es>> >> > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro >> <http://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro> <http://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro> >> > >> > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Coordinator >> > and Chief Architect >> > >> > FI-PPP Architecture Board chairman >> > >> > You can follow FI-WARE at: >> > website: http://www.fi-ware.eu >> > facebook: >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware >> > linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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