[Fiware-campusero] Proposal on challenges to be launch associated to FI-WARE/FI-LAB

Davide Dalle Carbonare davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it
Thu Oct 31 15:04:33 CET 2013


Dear Esther,
     sorry to push again on this ... it's important for me to know if 
challenges have
been officially launched and relative details as far as I may have the 
possibility
to present them at an event in few weeks from now.

thank you and
kind regards,
Davide


On 25/10/2013 15:32, Davide Dalle Carbonare wrote:
> Dear Esther,
>     first of all, thank you for the work you're doing.
>
> I would like to know if Smart Challenges have been officially launched 
> in Santander and,
> if yes, if is it possible to update the page of FI-WARE web site 
> reporting the details
> of these challenges.
>
> thak you,
> BR
> Davide
>
> On 14/10/2013 20:40, Esther Paniagua wrote:
>> Dear partners:
>>
>> Thanks to all of you for sharing your views about the challenges. I 
>> understand them and I'd like to clarify the issue that Philipp is 
>> mentioning regarding the amount of time that involves to create a 
>> prototype "only" to participate in a challenge. As it is not 
>> something that is going to happen in the first phase -that consists 
>> on a call for ideas- only the 20 candidates of each challenge that 
>> pass to this next phase will have to develop such prototype. Then, 
>> this 20 candidates will have real possibilities to win the prize to 
>> finance their idea.
>>
>> We have no more time to spend because we need to take the final 
>> decision. I attach a draft post with the information that would be 
>> published to launch the first two prizes (Smart Cities an Smart 
>> Business) that will be deeply defined in the registration page with 
>> the instructions and the legal basis. Maybe the post is useful for 
>> you to understand the idea better. Juanjo is working on the technical 
>> specifications of each challenge too, so it will be for help too.
>>
>> Attending to your worries, I suggest to include in the description of 
>> eath challenge, as well as in the post, a mention about our aim 
>> regarding the start-ups creation, in order to clarify our objective 
>> and to define better the kind of projects that we look for (that is, 
>> proposals that may have a real impact while being feasible).
>>
>> Please, send us additional comments before tomorrow evening. We'd 
>> like to take the opportunity to launch the challenges during the 
>> FI-WARE event in Santander this week, so we have to be very agile.
>>
>> Thanks for all in advance :)
>>
>> -- 
>> Esther Paniagua
>> Coordinadora de Campus Labs
>> Futura Networks
>>
>>
>> 2013/10/6 stefano de panfilis <stefano.depanfilis at eng.it 
>> <mailto:stefano.depanfilis at eng.it>>
>>
>>     dear juanjo,
>>
>>     i perfectly agree with your answer, and exactly becouse of that, the
>>     approach you explained should be better emphasised in the call
>>     for the
>>     context.
>>
>>     i think also the idea of funnelling the proposals with an
>>     intermediatery step is important and gives to the context the
>>     level of
>>     attractiveness for smes that philipp is aiming at. again also this
>>     should be well formalised and explained in the call for the context.
>>
>>     ciao,
>>     stefano
>>
>>     2013/10/6 Juanjo Hierro <jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es>>:
>>     > Dear Philipp,
>>     >
>>     >   What you say maybe true for the kind of hackathons you run at
>>     a Campus
>>     > Party event, i.e., hackathons that start and end at the event.
>>       We all
>>     > agree that we shouldn't go for too high prizes at those
>>     hackathons and we
>>     > won't.
>>     >
>>     >   However, what it will be launched this time is different.  
>>     It pretends to
>>     > be something that implies funding a more complete development,
>>     that's why it
>>     > lasts several months.  A different matter is that we define an
>>     intermediate
>>     > milestone that will help to perform a first selection of
>>     contestants who
>>     > will be paid to travel to Campus Party Brasil to run the final
>>     (they are
>>     > expected to evolve whatever proof of concept they have
>>     developed at that
>>     > time but this will give them a signal that it's worth investing
>>     and continue
>>     > the development because at least they will be able to showcase
>>     their
>>     > application in the Campus Party Brasil event which may help
>>     them to gain
>>     > some visibility for their application).
>>     >
>>     >   Startups or SMEs who have an application already in mind (or have
>>     > developed some early versions of it) and believe incorporation
>>     of FI-WARE
>>     > technologies could fit in their architecture evolution plan are
>>     welcome to
>>     > participate in these challenges and they are indeed our target
>>     audience.
>>     >
>>     >   To some extend, these challenges will follow a formula very
>>     similar to
>>     > what are going to be the Open Calls targeted to SMEs in Call 3
>>     (Use Case
>>     > Expansion projects) and indeed I believe we will extract very
>>     interesting
>>     > lessons during the process.
>>     >
>>     >   Last but not least, despite you may have the impression that the
>>     > contestants to the FI-WARE prizes in Campus Party Europe in
>>     London where
>>     > simply students or people who just wanted to play and see
>>     whether they could
>>     > win some prize at the event, it was interesting to learn that
>>     some of them
>>     > are already planning (or in the process) of running a startup
>>     ... and they
>>     > expressed their interest to learn whether usage of FI-WARE
>>     technologies
>>     > could help them to catch some funding.
>>     >
>>     >   Best regards,
>>     >
>>     > -- Juanjo
>>     >
>>     > -------------
>>     > Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital
>>     > website: www.tid.es <http://www.tid.es>
>>     > email: jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es>
>>     > twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro <http://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro>
>>     >
>>     > FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Coordinator
>>     > and Chief Architect
>>     >
>>     > FI-PPP Architecture Board chairman
>>     >
>>     > You can follow FI-WARE at:
>>     >   website: http://www.fi-ware.eu
>>     >   facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242
>>     >   twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware
>>     >   linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932
>>     >
>>     > On 06/10/13 11:14, Philipp Slusallek wrote:
>>     >
>>     > Hi,
>>     >
>>     > Sorry for being (too?) late with my response but we had a big
>>     review
>>     > last week as well as a long weekend due to a national holiday.
>>     >
>>     > This is the first time I hear about these plans of attracting
>>     developers
>>     > and I am not too convinced about this concept at all. So here
>>     are my 2
>>     > cents worth.
>>     >
>>     > Competitions are only attractive to really small groups
>>     developers who
>>     > can work on this in their spare time, such as students or
>>     hobbyists. Its
>>     > not too interesting for serious SMEs or Web entrepreneurs that
>>     struggle
>>     > to keep their income and cannot spend weeks of time building a
>>     prototype
>>     > for a competition where its is a big gamble whether to get any
>>     return on
>>     > the investment. Anyone with a serious business plan and idea,
>>     better
>>     > stays focused on getting this to work. Google, facebook, etc.
>>     were not
>>     > founded through a competition. The goal for FI-WARE should
>>     therefore not
>>     > be to target people that "gamble" but helping people with a solid
>>     > business idea to more successfully execute it in the context
>>     and with
>>     > the support of the FI-PPP.
>>     >
>>     > A special exception may be open source developers that work for the
>>     > "greater good". But if this is the target (which might actually
>>     be a
>>     > good idea, similar to the Google Summer of Code) than the whole
>>     thing
>>     > should be structured differently. Google, for example, does not
>>     hand out
>>     > price money but funds the execution of the best and brightest
>>     ideas.
>>     > This actually helps getting the good ideas implemented and does
>>     not just
>>     > hand over big sums of money.
>>     >
>>     > When we are targeting small developers through the competitions
>>     then a
>>     > price money of several tens of kEUR seems way too high. This
>>     are likely
>>     > not the people that necessarily will create a start-up or other
>>     business
>>     > idea around their project with this money. It takes way more than a
>>     > quick good idea to be economically successful and I would even
>>     say that
>>     > we should not even encourage such a development.
>>     >
>>     > Maybe I am too harsh about the campuseros and missing the point
>>     here (I
>>     > was not at the event). But it is consistent with what I have
>>     heard and
>>     > is also the clear opinion in FI-Content after quite long
>>     discussions
>>     > about exactly this topic. There we also have competitions but
>>     the price
>>     > money is way smaller. Also our competitions are only a small
>>     addition to
>>     > our other activities targeting a very different audience
>>     (students etc.,
>>     > see above) than we do with the OpenCall or Phase-III, where we
>>     > specifically target different groups of serious developers with
>>     very
>>     > different means and therefore necessarily more money per proposal.
>>     >
>>     > I realize it is late and there is not a lot of time to still change
>>     > anything. Anyway, I believe its worth considering and maybe
>>     taking into
>>     > account to the degree still possible.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Best,
>>     >
>>     >       Philipp
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Am 02.10.2013 00:06, schrieb Esther Paniagua:
>>     >
>>     > Hi all,
>>     >
>>     > I'm Esther Paniagua, coordinator of Campus Labs at Futura Networks.
>>     >
>>     > I'm attaching a post that we've prepared for the launching of
>>     the two
>>     > first challenges, that may be of help to understand the process.
>>     >
>>     > Thanks!
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > 2013/10/1 Davide Dalle Carbonare <davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it
>>     <mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it>
>>     > <mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it
>>     <mailto:davide.dallecarbonare at eng.it>>>
>>     >
>>     >     Dear Juanjo,
>>     >         the format sounds good to me, I think the first two
>>     challenges,
>>     >     for the first round are fine.
>>     >     I wait for additional details especially regarding the
>>     final phase
>>     >     at Campus Party.
>>     >
>>     >     kind regards,
>>     >     Davide
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >     On 01/10/2013 17:53, Juanjo Hierro wrote:
>>     >
>>     >     Hi all,
>>     >
>>     >       Futura Networks will send an email with further details,
>>     but let
>>     >     me briefly describe what they have proposed and we need to
>>     approve
>>     >     this week.
>>     >
>>     >       As you know, there were aprox. 870 KEUR in prizes to be
>>     consumed
>>     >     until end of the proyect.   Of these 870 KEUR, 17.500EUR
>>     were consumed
>>     >     in Campus Party Europe in London (2.500 EUR of one of the
>>     special
>>     >     awards were not given away).
>>     >
>>     >       The idea is now to launch a number of challenges which
>>     will be
>>     >     run along a number of months.   We would start launching two
>>     >     thematic challenges, one focused on Smart Cities and
>>     another one
>>     >     focused on Smart Businesses.
>>     >
>>     >       The two challenges would be launched this week and we would
>>     >     define a deadline (mid November) to collect proposals.  
>>     Proposers
>>     >     who accompany their ideas with proof of concepts developed on
>>     >     FI-LAB, etc will be given preference.    In December we would
>>     >     select 20 proposals for each of the challenges and we will
>>     invite
>>     >     two people of each of the selected teams to travel to the
>>     Campus
>>     >     Party Brasil, early February 2014.
>>     >
>>     >       The selected teams attending the Campus Party Brasil
>>     event will
>>     >     run a final there so that the final prizes are given away:
>>     >
>>     >       * 1st prize: 75 KEUR
>>     >       * 2nd prize: 40 KEUR
>>     >       * third prize: 20 KEUR
>>     >       * two additional special awards (e.g., "Young
>>     developer"): 5.000
>>     >         EUR each
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >       During the Campus Party Brasil event we would launch the
>>     second
>>     >     round of challenges, targeted to be given away at the
>>     Campus Party
>>     >     Europe (most likely to take place in Spain during July
>>     2014).   A
>>     >     similar schema would be followed.   We would define an interim
>>     >     milestone to select the 40 best proposals and pay them the
>>     travel
>>     >     expenses to Campus Party Europe where a final would take place.
>>     >
>>     >       There are several options for this second round of
>>     challenges,
>>     >     we may go for thematic challenges (we didn't have too appealing
>>     >     themes) or we may go for a big contest to be referred as
>>     "FI-WARE
>>     >     Excellence Awards" (with total 290KEUR in prizes) where
>>     there would
>>     >     not be restriction about the theme to be addressed and
>>     focus would
>>     >     be given on finding the applications that make best usage of
>>     >     FI-WARE technologies.   Another possibility is to find
>>     another two
>>     >     thematic challenges, or do a mix: run one thematic
>>     challenge and
>>     >     one "FI-WARE Excellenge Awards" (in this case, each with
>>     145 KEUR in
>>     >     prizes).
>>     >
>>     >       Personally, I would go fo a single challenge on "FI-WARE
>>     >     Excellence Awards" with total 290 KEUR in prizes, but your
>>     feedback
>>     >     is welcome.
>>     >
>>     >       The launch of the first two challenges on Smart Cities
>>     and Smart
>>     >     Businesses (with 145 KEUR in prizes each) look more clear
>>     to me and,
>>     >     since we are running a bit out of time, I would go for
>>     advertising
>>     >     them at the Campusero Community this Thursday 17:00 unless
>>     anyone
>>     >     has an objection.
>>     >
>>     >       Cheers,
>>     >
>>     >     -- Juanjo
>>     >
>>     >     -------------
>>     >     Product Development and Innovation (PDI) - Telefonica Digital
>>     >     website: www.tid.es <http://www.tid.es> <http://www.tid.es>
>>     >     email: jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es>
>>     <mailto:jhierro at tid.es <mailto:jhierro at tid.es>>
>>     >     twitter: twitter.com/JuanjoHierro
>>     <http://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro> <http://twitter.com/JuanjoHierro>
>>     >
>>     >     FI-WARE (European Future Internet Core Platform) Coordinator
>>     >     and Chief Architect
>>     >
>>     >     FI-PPP Architecture Board chairman
>>     >
>>     >     You can follow FI-WARE at:
>>     >       website: http://www.fi-ware.eu
>>     >       facebook:
>>     http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242
>>     >       twitter: http://twitter.com/FIware
>>     >       linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932
>>     >
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