Thanks Juanjo for you answers. However I think we need to put ourselves from the SME perspective that is going to respond to the questionnaire. Only in this way we can guarantee a good level of comprehension and, at the end, a good level of the results. I suggest to re-read my comments in this perspective. Some examples: 1) concept of planned. Ok we know now what we mean be "planned" internally. But what about the respondent perspective? How can he know what we mean? Moreover our definition of "planned" is dangerous without a clear explanation exactly because the SMEs are in different phases: in CreatiFI for example it is not applicable because all the SME have almost closed their duties for phase 1. How do we handle these cases? 2) Lab usage. Ok with me, but bear in mind that if I were an SME that just installed the Object Storage GE (and OpenStack/IaaS Resource Management GE) on its premises, I will get 4 points. Correct? Is this what we want? 4) Big data. I do not think our intent is clear here: if the emphasis is on the "on demand" concept we should highlight it. I would suggest to rephrase and use the same terms in different questions (not platform in one and cluster in another - another alternative could be to use GE in place of platform in the second). Best regards, silvio On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Juanjo Hierro < juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> wrote: > > On 15/07/15 22:20, Franck Le Gall wrote: > > See the answers to the questions directed to me in-line > > > > Franck > > > > *De :* fiware-coaches-bounces at lists.fi-ware.org [ > mailto:fiware-coaches-bounces at lists.fi-ware.org > <fiware-coaches-bounces at lists.fi-ware.org>] *De la part de* Silvio Cretti > *Envoyé :* mercredi 15 juillet 2015 22:12 > *À :* Juanjo Hierro > *Cc :* fiware-coaches at lists.fi-ware.org > *Objet :* Re: [Fiware-coaches] IMPORTANT FINAL CHECK BY FIWARE COACHES of > questionnaire and evaluation dashboard to be used for FIWARE usage > assessment > > > > Dear Juanjo, all > > here my comments: > > 1) I think we should clarify to the SMEs the meaning of "planned" usage. > What does it mean "planned" in this context? To have just an idea of use > it? To have evaluated their usage? The have a roadmap/design for using it? > ... > > > Point is that different SMEs/startups may be in different phases of the > development of their apps. Some may have joined the programme at different > dates. It is also the case that some SMEs/startups arrive to the FIWARE > Accelerator Programme simply with an idea while others actually arrive with > rather mature prototypes or even products. A given SME/startup may have > considered already to use FIWARE GE "A" but they haven't indeed implemented > it. > > Planned in this context means they have already committed to carry out > the necessary steps to implement the incorporation of the given GE in the > architecture of the application. > > > 2) in D (Lab usage) we give higher score to a SME that decided to > create its own cloud. Could we be a bit more precise on this? For example a > SME could just use the IaaS Resurce Management GE (based on Openstack) and > create its own cloud claiming the same score of another SME that is > providing a fully fledged FIWARE instance. > > > Yes we have assigned more score to a SME/startup who decides to setup > its own cloud based on FIWARE Cloud GEs. But also to those who will setup > an environment on a FIWARE Cloud (e.g., the FIWARE Lab) allowing others to > instantiate the application. > > I will go for keeping things like they are. > > 2.1) Always related to D: the questionnaire and the scorecard are > providing different questions. The questionnaire gives 3 points in case of > a dedicated cloud and 4 for the usage of blueprint for deploying the app > whereas the scorecard gives 3 for planning and 4 for implementation. > > > I believe you are wrong. The questionnaire allows you to get 3pts (or > 4pts) when either you have planned (or implemented) to setup your own Cloud > environment or you have setup blueprints, etc allowing 3rd parties to > deploy the application in one single click. > > 3) F (Degree of integration) is never used. Am I wrong? Is it made on > purpose? > > > It is made on purpose. This is a question to be assessed by the > coaches based on analysis of the response given. > > 4) Big Data: here the difference between the second and the third > questions is about "cluster" as opposed to "platform". Is it correct? What > do we mean with "cluster" in this context? And with "platform"? Does it > make sense to deploy Cosmos GE as "not a cluster". In my opinion yes but it > is a trivial deployment (not suitable for Hadoop purposes). Or do we mean > "hadoop federation" using the term "cluster"? I think this deserve a > clarification. > > > This should be clear for any user of Cosmos. Cosmos is intended to > allow people to setup Hadoop clusters dynamically, so once the BigData > analysis being carried out finishes, the resources are freed. > > > > Last but not least: I totally support the proposal of Frank to have a > common tool. It provides an uniform interface and speed up things. My > questions are: > > a) you Frank need the list of SMEs + contact information. I image in > order to configure the tool to send emails to the SMEs. Is it correct? > > -> Yes. See my other e.mail > > b) then we as coaches can check the answers provided and in case remind > the SMEs, that did not yet respond, asking the tool to send a reminder. > Correct? > > -> Yes. I can even create account for the one willing to have a hand on > the tool > > c) does the tool provide automatically also the evaluation and the scoring > of the answers? I mean the calculation? > > -> The tool can. It would request me some additional hours to set this but > nothing impossible > > d) what do we as coaches have to do in order to use this tool? > > -> It depends what you want to do (from managing your own pool of SMEs or > simply accessing the results). I could do a rapid webinar to show how to > play with it. > > > I have already commented on the tool. My take would be to use it just > to gather the yes/planned/no responses and therefore make it easier to > generate a spreadsheet in google docs with the self-assessment by all > SMEs/startups. > > Best regards, > > -- Juanjo > > > > > Thanks in advance and best regards, > > silvio > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Juanjo Hierro < > juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com> wrote: > > Dear all, > > I have carried out a final review of the questionnaire and the > evaluation scorecard to be used for the assessment on the usage of FIWARE > by SMEs/startups under the FIWARE Accelerator programme. > > I will post a message on basecamp announcing that we will launch the > assessment process based on the proposed questionnaire and scorecard (which > I have updated after this final review) tomorrow around 16:00 unless I hear > any objections from you. Therefore, please, take your time to review > it. I would appreciate if you also response to this email providing a > confirmation that you have actually reviewed both tools and agree with the > proposed changes. > > I have incorporated the following changes both in the questionnaire and > scorecard: > > - I have setup a distinction between "planned" usage and "actual" > usage (the app has already implemented the criteria). Therefore, the > previous values where 0 (does NOT support either A or B), 1 (supports A) > and 2 (supports B) translate into values 0 (does not plan to support either > A or B), 1 (plans to support A), 2 (already implements A), 3 (plans to > support B), 4 (already implements B). My initial idea was to consider > scores 0, 0.5, 1, 1.5 and 2, but it happens that google docs lead to > problems if you use numbers with decimals, so I went for having 0 to 4. > - I have modified the meaning of values assigned as scores regarding > context information management so that 3-4 points are given when > integration with 3rd party systems as context information sources is > considered. Previously, we were giving maximum points if historic context > information was registered in Cosmos for further analysis. In line with > this change, I have modified the scoring regarding usage of the Cosmos > BigData GE so that the 1-2 points (previously 1 point) are given when > historic context information data is registered in Cosmos for further > analysis. > - I have aligned the meaning of values assigned for scoring usage of > Wirecloud to the other GEs (CEP, Kurento, etc), so that 1-2 points > (previously 1 point) are given when the GE is used and 3-4 points > (previously 2 points) are given when it is used managing context > information. > - I introduced several editorial comments on the questionnaire so that > it becomes more readable and better aligned with the scorecard. > > > I have created final versions of both the "Questionnaire for FIWARE > Usage Assessment" and the "FIWARE Usage Assessment scorecard". I have > also make sure both get aligned. > > The final version of the "Questionnaire for FIWARE Usage Assessment" > will be here: > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BOv96zNeytDoPMecfFBuUDmisiLxlQKJUADIbtp8XKw/edit# > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BOv96zNeytDoPMecfFBuUDmisiLxlQKJUADIbtp8XKw/edit> > > > The final version of the "FIWARE Usage Assessment scorecard" will be > here: > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dijrn2gUsU0-dPhVqE9RXKi6MKkLnBVn_3YUEQWvCSs/edit?usp=sharing > > > Cheers, > > -- Juanjo > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > Coordinator and Chief Architect, FIWARE platform > > CTO Industrial IoT, Telefónica > > > > email: juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com > > twitter: @JuanjoHierro > > > > You can follow FIWARE at: > > website: http://www.fiware.org > > twitter: @FIWARE > > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FI-WARE/251366491587242 > > linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/FIWARE-4239932 > > > ------------------------------ > > > Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, > puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso > exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. 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