HI Ali, thanks for your positive - and challenging;) - answer! I accept to tentatively animate a iHub WG, but please let me rename it "Collaborative Value Proposition building" instead of "Budget needed to create workgroups" ... ok? If ok, I'll prepare some concrete actions proposals for next iHubs meeting. See you ;) Vincent DIH Faubourg Numérique / EDIH Hauts-de-France On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 6:53 PM Ali Benbrahim <ali.bb at ipnet.tn> wrote: > Thank you Vincent for your feedback. > Your view on the creation of WGs is excellent , let's have the use of the > Faubourg Numerique experience , how do you have this "technology watch" on > what will be the next tech or concept to be in. This in order to > participate to the funded projects . In my opinion, and as I was > explaining in the MSC meeting, the projects need budgets. > > So I will let you lead the fourth Group "Budget needed to create > workgroups" > > I will take care of the first group "How FIWARE iHubs can contribute to > develop the FIWARE ecosystem " . If any one else would like to take , i > will be more than happy :) > > Who is ready to take the 2 others : > - "Incomes and business models for the FIWARE iHubs" Irene ? > - "Use of MiMs for the citizen participations and contributions" Pierre ? > > Please join groups so we can all present our proposition and suggestion at > th Global Summit > > I will create share directory where we can start our work > > Again , your suggestions please > > BR > Ali. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 at 14:26, Vincent Demortier <vincent.demortier at oasc.fr> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Very interesting debate about the next level of maturity to target for >> the FIWARE iHubs network and stimulate the interest in structured WGs!! >> >> From DIH Faubourg Numérique point of view, the critical question before >> engaging efforts (to avoid waste of time and energy) in the iHubs WGs is >> (aligned with what Ali presented): are there identified topics in which we >> - as FIWARE iHub - are willing to share cost and risk ? ... and for which >> possible shared benefits? >> In other words, do we really want to collbaratively build common value >> propositions at global level? (...knowing that it requires to engage >> efforts + costs with no guarantee on the expected benefits! Benefit does >> not necessarly means revenues : learning / notoriety / networking - and >> fun! - are also quite significant benefits! ... but for sure, >> efforts/investments mean costs ... to be covered with real money!) >> >> In the perspective that the collaborative response to these questions is >> "yes, that's what most of the FIWARE iHubs expect from the network >> strategy", here are the proposed possible contributions from DIH Faubourg >> Numérique: >> - in synergy with what is done for DSBA hubs tool: we could lead the >> setting up of the FIWARE iHubSpace to strucure and share info among the >> FIWARE iHubs (activities / capabilities / collobaration opportunities = >> share cost, risk ... and possible revenues) >> - as Living-in.eu (and OASC) contributor for many years, we can >> contribute to the proposed WG3 activities (examples of what we've already >> done to demonstrate the MIMs with FIWARE: https://youtu.be/P0A1D6lRq2M , >> https://youtu.be/YWpwInq5EOg , ... and more to come very soon from the ODALA >> project <https://odalaproject.eu/>) >> - and of course, for us, the priority for global collaboration and >> contribution is still related to the implementation of digital twins and >> their integration in the Smart Open MetaWorld ;) >> >> If response is "no, the iHubs just need to get validated by the peers to >> locally and individually valorize the FIWARE iHub label, and extend the >> FIWARE footprint" : status quo (that's also fine!) ... no need of WGs. >> >> I hope this will contribute to the discussion / ideas / debate ... and >> decision ;) >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Vincent >> DIH Faubourg Numérique / EDIH Hauts-de-France >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 10:52 AM Ali Benbrahim <ali.bb at ipnet.tn> wrote: >> >>> Ciao Irene, >>> >>> Thank you for your feedback, it is really useful. >>> i would like to share this thread , so, all iHubs can participate and >>> comment in order to make a final decision. >>> >>> First , you are right saying we miss participation from iHubs because >>> not many common activities. And this was the purpose of topic 1 , sorry >>> that it look complicated to you . >>> >>> Let me try to simplify: >>> We observe that the actual activities of the iHubs in the FIWARE >>> ecosystem is mainly marketing: presentation of product, presentation of >>> activity ... >>> I have noticed first the iHubs do not participate and contribute with >>> the technical teams (or very few actions) . >>> My experience, when I have used the tutorial contents for my students, >>> it is not straitful , technical documentation, even if it is very good, >>> needs to be tested, completed adapted and translated. And this is where >>> iHubs can do the job,* just like any open source community*. >>> >>> iHubs can contribute not only in tutorials, but also in debugging, >>> developing, testing the code, developing use cases ... >>> ihubs can contribute not only with FF but also with members, with >>> evangelists, with universities ... >>> >>> So you see, in creating these technical activities , we help the iHubs >>> to have new opportunities and they can be attracted to participate more , >>> we even settle in a second step a remuneration or a compensation based on a >>> contribution token. >>> >>> so this is the idea of topic 1 >>> >>> Best regards >>> Ali. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 17:06, Irene Provvidenza < >>> i.provvidenza at teamdev.it> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Angeles and Ali, >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot as always for your massive efforts for the MSC calls and >>>> events! >>>> Here is my personal point of view and contribution. >>>> >>>> We all see the problems that our group of ihubs face: many ihubs are >>>> not participating, we don't have specific activities, many think to waste >>>> time and do not take part into the activities. >>>> >>>> This is why I agree with the definition of working groups, to share >>>> activities and suggestions, but I think the goal should be to simplify them >>>> as much as possible in order to have clear goals and make people >>>> participate in them. >>>> I mean that the groups should present clear and simple activities, >>>> express some things to DO and not just discussing again and then everyone >>>> disappear because there is no time to be more involved etc... >>>> >>>> For example, the group 1 is not very clear to me, is very general; >>>> could we instead define it as a marketing working group? 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