Hi Juanjo, Do not forget that we have also SMEs which will have finished their contract in September so for the 2nd wave of SMEs we could also provide new rules regarding what are the more sustainable nodes. In this way maybe we do not have to change everything now (asking SMEs to move their accounts in a new node 3 weeks after explaining that we can use all the nodes) BR Thierry De : fiware-lab-recovery-tf-bounces at lists.fiware.org [mailto:fiware-lab-recovery-tf-bounces at lists.fiware.org] De la part de Juanjo Hierro Envoyé : mardi 12 mai 2015 09:55 À : Federico Michele Facca Cc : fiware-lab-recovery-tf at lists.fiware.org Objet : Re: [Fiware-lab-recovery-tf] URGENT remediation action Federico, The issue is not so much the fact that assigning Community User accounts to Spain-2 we will alleviate the problem (although this is also relevant) but the fact that I can anticipate many of the nodes will not comply with the requirements that the EC have asked us to incorporate in the Open Call for nodes to be added to the FIWARE Lab. This means that if we accept a Community User account to be hosted, say it in Berlin now, it may be well the case that in September we are going to ask that user to move all his environment to another node ... This could be acceptable if we will arrive in September with very easy and proved procedures to move all the setting of a given user from one node to another. Otherwise, you will be many users blaming on you in September if you ask them to migrate manually (overall is migration is hard). Can you grant this ? I would suggest that we start the confcall at 15:30 involving those of us who need to agree on this discussion. Therefore leave the confcall starting at 16:30 for the revision of recovery tasks ... this would help to overcome the issue you mention regarding your required presence in the info day in Trento. Best regards, -- Juanjo On 12/05/15 09:26, Federico Michele Facca wrote: hi, sorry to answer so late, but the email was in my spam inbox. i think we should evaluate which nodes have the problem resolved and consider them as well besides Spain-2. while for sure, we should not - unless users really insist - assign them to a node while it has not yet recovered (in which case they need to be patient - which is anyhow now the case, also in Spain-2). but this should be only a temporary thing till issues get resolved, not a permnanent one. i would take into consideration that what happened on thursday is not surely responsability of the nodes. so excluding them at this stage would sound like it's their fault, which I cannot support: it's not fair. some of them may be crap, as we identified and, should get excluded without any rethinking, others are not, and many of the issues they experienced are beyond their responsability. said so, today at 17, me and silvio have an info day here in trento (i am one of ther first speakers, so our presence in the afternoon call cannot last very long). cheers, federico On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com<mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com>> wrote: Obviously, we will have to handle requests one by one and only accept those who ask for a number of resources that sound reasonable. I understand that, given said this, Fernando you agreed on the proposal (it was a little bit unclear with your wording, I have to say) Cheers, -- Juanjo On 12/05/15 09:02, FERNANDO LOPEZ AGUILAR wrote: Juanjo, Agree with consider the revision of the assigning Community and Trial Users accounts, this should means what is the decision that we have to take related to the amount of resources that everyone ask from Spain2. I mean, it is important to know what is the policy that we want to follow in order to assign resources to the Community Users if everyone will be moved to Spain2. We will make this decision conditional on the efforts and place in which we have to apply them if we want to give support to all the new users that probably will come to Spain2. De: Juanjo Hierro <juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com<mailto:juanjose.hierro at telefonica.com>> Fecha: Tuesday 12 May 2015 06:37 Para: "fiware-lab-recovery-tf at lists.fiware.org<mailto:fiware-lab-recovery-tf at lists.fiware.org>" <fiware-lab-recovery-tf at lists.fiware.org<mailto:fiware-lab-recovery-tf at lists.fiware.org>> Asunto: [Fiware-lab-recovery-tf] URGENT remediation action IMHO, we should seriously consider to revise the "algorithm" for assigning Community and Trial User accounts so that Community User accounts linked to FIWARE accelerator projects get assigned to the Spain-2 node (unless serious requirements about hosting data in a given country) and Trial User accounts or Community User accounts not linked to the FIWARE accelerator projects are assigned to the rest of nodes (maybe some space to be allocated in Spain if space remains). Trial Users are renewed every two weeks, so the fact that in September may be other different nodes will not be an issue with respect to them. Once the new nodes are federated, they may host some Community Users. I would like to seriously discuss this matter in our daily confcall today. 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